NastyNateSoldiers Posted January 17, 2014 Posted January 17, 2014 (edited) I was thinking recently about the possibility of the Bills trading Cj this off-season. Trading Cj is definitely a possibility considering he has 2yrs left on his deal in which the second yr is a team option with big escalator bonuses reaching over 10mil. The Bills most likely are not going to pay Cj over 12 million in 2015. So what do we do? Cut him after next season or trade him now? I believe the Bills will be looking to deal Spiller this off-season and the perfect comparison for his trade value is P Harvin. The Seahawks gave up a 1st and 3rd rder for an explosive play maker that was in his contract yr. Harvin is an utility player that can play Wr,Rb and return kicks. Cj is the same type of player. He can play multiple positions and lets not forget Cj was one of the all time kick return specialists in NCAA history. Basically P Harvin should be the starting point for negotiations if the Bills desire to deal Cj and if anything we should probably ask for more considering that Harvin was coming of a major injury and is considered injury prone in many people's eyes. So What do u guys think? should we trade Spiller Is this a fair comparison for his value? Edited January 17, 2014 by NastyNateSoldiers
Big C Posted January 17, 2014 Posted January 17, 2014 Harvin was coming off an MVP-level season cut short by injury. CJ Spiller is coming off a down year and hasn't quite made as many waves around the NFL. I'm not sure if he'll get the same trade value, though he is no doubt a top-tier talent. I'd still like to see what he can do for us next season.
Dr. Fong Posted January 17, 2014 Posted January 17, 2014 How about just keeping him around next year and worry about 2015 later? Maybe a new contract can be worked out before the 12m payday. I'm not a big fan of constantly getting rid of players because they might become a salary cap liability.
NastyNateSoldiers Posted January 17, 2014 Author Posted January 17, 2014 Lets not forget Spiller just a season ago averaged 6yds a carry and had over 500yds receiving totaling over 1700 yds from scrimmage. Yes he had a down yr. But he still had over 1100yds offense on a bum ankle. A team I think would be a perfect fit is the Saints. Sean Peyton will find plenty of ways to use Spiller and I think that move can put there offense over the top. Spiller,Graham Sproles and Colston will be unstoppable. Sean Payton is the master of the screen pass. He will find ways to use both Spiller and Sproles together How about just keeping him around next year and worry about 2015 later? Maybe a new contract can be worked out before the 12m payday. I'm not a big fan of constantly getting rid of players because they might become a salary cap liability. I agree with u on keeping our players but we also be smart about who we pay and who we let go. In these couple of yrs were gonna have alot of top talent up for contracts, Dareus,A Will, Hughes and Cordy. We can't keep then all
Bufcomments Posted January 17, 2014 Posted January 17, 2014 The only way I would trade C.J. , and I'm am against moving him BTW is for a starting outside or Middle LB off a good team AND a draft pick.
Dopey Posted January 17, 2014 Posted January 17, 2014 Lets not forget Spiller just a season ago averaged 6yds a carry and had over 500yds receiving totaling over 1700 yds from scrimmage. Yes he had a down yr. But he still had over 1100yds offense on a bum ankle. A team I think would be a perfect fit is the Saints. Sean Peyton will find plenty of ways to use Spiller and I think that move can put there offense over the top. Spiller,Graham Sproles and Colston will be unstoppable. Sean Payton is the master of the screen pass. He will find ways to use both Spiller and Sproles together I agree with u on keeping our players but we also be smart about who we pay and who we let go. In these couple of yrs were gonna have alot of top talent up for contracts, Dareus,A Will, Hughes and Cordy. We can't keep then all I think the Saints would get rid of Sproles if they acquired Spiller. that would be too much $$ for 2 guys that do the same thing. If they traded for Spiller, it would be to go younger at that spot. Sproles is not as explosive as he was a few years ago. They still have Ingram as the traditional back to be a 1- 2 punch. You are right, Spiller would have monster #'s with Sean Payton.
Maury Ballstein Posted January 17, 2014 Posted January 17, 2014 Keep Spiller, no reason to trade the talent IMO. Ankle hurt, now it's better.
NastyNateSoldiers Posted January 17, 2014 Author Posted January 17, 2014 Im not saying to trade him for peanuts, im saying a 1st & 3rd no less then that.. I personally would love to keep Spiller, I think he is a dynamic weapon. One of the best players in the league. The problem is that Marrone & Hackett Offense doesn't seem to fit his skill set. If Spiller played for a coach like Peyton or Chip or even Reid he would be a all pro type player.
NoSaint Posted January 17, 2014 Posted January 17, 2014 I think where you went astray 2 places - #1 -- WRs are typically worth more than backs (look where premium picks are spent, contract size etc). while spiller is the better back, harvin is easily the better wr. there is a reason each has their respective position and harvins pays better. #2 -- Though you declare that spiller can be a weapon at WR, and KR.... he simply hasnt proven that in the NFL. i dont think spiller ever sees the dollars, or the trade value of a harvin. A team I think would be a perfect fit is the Saints. Sean Peyton will find plenty of ways to use Spiller and I think that move can put there offense over the top. Spiller,Graham Sproles and Colston will be unstoppable. Sean Payton is the master of the screen pass. He will find ways to use both Spiller and Sproles together they had their reggie bush player and dropped him for cheaper options. if anything, look for the saints to get rid of a back or two this season - not add one.
KOKBILLS Posted January 17, 2014 Posted January 17, 2014 I have an awesome idea... Let's Draft a RB at #9 first...Then unload Spiller when his trade value is just about rock bottom...Preferably during Camp 2014 for a 4th and a conditional 5th... Oh...wait...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted January 17, 2014 Posted January 17, 2014 I think the Saints would get rid of Sproles if they acquired Spiller. that would be too much $$ for 2 guys that do the same thing. If they traded for Spiller, it would be to go younger at that spot. Sproles is not as explosive as he was a few years ago. They still have Ingram as the traditional back to be a 1- 2 punch. You are right, Spiller would have monster #'s with Sean Payton. Sproules knows how to pass block. Spiller does not. Third down backs must be able to pick up blitzes, which Sproules can. Spiller has put more whiffs on film than Kirby Jackson
NastyNateSoldiers Posted January 17, 2014 Author Posted January 17, 2014 I think where you went astray 2 places - #1 -- WRs are typically worth more than backs (look where premium picks are spent, contract size etc). while spiller is the better back, harvin is easily the better wr. there is a reason each has their respective position and harvins pays better. #2 -- Though you declare that spiller can be a weapon at WR, and KR.... he simply hasnt proven that in the NFL. i dont think spiller ever sees the dollars, or the trade value of a harvin. they had their reggie bush player and dropped him for cheaper options. if anything, look for the saints to get rid of a back or two this season - not add one. Wasn't Trent Richardson just recently traded for a 1st, well there goes that argument. Also I understand that Cj is a bk and Harvin Wr. The point is that they are dynamic play makers at their positions. Which btw don't grow on trees. Which makes them valuable.. Also u said Spiller hasn't proven to be a good wr out the bk field. 500yds in 2012 seems like a good barometer for a receiving bk. Sproules knows how to pass block. Spiller does not. Third down backs must be able to pick up blitzes, which Sproules can. Spiller has put more whiffs on film than Kirby Jackson Sproles can block?? Seriously what gms u watching. Sproles is not Warrck Dunn homie hes 180lbs soaking wet
jumbalaya Posted January 17, 2014 Posted January 17, 2014 Harvin is a small knock on the head away from never playing again.
NastyNateSoldiers Posted January 17, 2014 Author Posted January 17, 2014 Harvin is a small knock on the head away from never playing again. Absolutely, and he still netted a 1st and 3rd.
NewEra Posted January 17, 2014 Posted January 17, 2014 (edited) We traded Lynch for a couple mid round draft picks. I doubt we get much more for spiller. Edited January 17, 2014 by NewEra
Beerball Posted January 17, 2014 Posted January 17, 2014 If you find someone willing to give a 1 & 3 it's a no brainer. I don't see any chance of that happening.
NastyNateSoldiers Posted January 17, 2014 Author Posted January 17, 2014 We traded Lynch for a 3rd and 4th. I doubt we get much more for spiller. Lynch had character concerns one arrest away from a yr suspension. He also had a couple of bad yrs in which his last averaged 3.5 yds a carry We started calling him March one inch. Lol
Rob's House Posted January 17, 2014 Posted January 17, 2014 Harvin is a bigger cap hit, is injury prone, and has character concerns. I'd keep CJ.
Dragonborn10 Posted January 17, 2014 Posted January 17, 2014 As much as I dislike CJ as a RB the Bills need him next year. In fact he is the perfect player to franchise down the road. Get one or two more years out of him then get rid of him a few years from now. Or just use him the next year or two and let him walk. No reason to make a long term commitment to a RB. Look at the NFL. QB's and offensive lineman are the key. DB's and pass rushers or pass rushers and DB's whichever you prefer are the next most important.
NoSaint Posted January 17, 2014 Posted January 17, 2014 (edited) Wasn't Trent Richardson just recently traded for a 1st, well there goes that argument. Also I understand that Cj is a bk and Harvin Wr. The point is that they are dynamic play makers at their positions. Which btw don't grow on trees. Which makes them valuable.. Also u said Spiller hasn't proven to be a good wr out the bk field. 500yds in 2012 seems like a good barometer for a receiving bk. 50 yards out of the backfield primarily on screens and dumpoffs is very different than an outside receiver. they are both dynamic playmakers, and i didnt, and wont, deny that - i simply think you are pointing towards the wrong comp player based on position, and production at the nfl level. you can definitely point towards trent richardson to discount my theory that backs wont typically go for as much as WRs, but i think hes the exception not the rule, and additionally has the advantage of playing for nearly nothing for a few years being 1 year into a rookie deal where the browns already paid the signing bonus. Sproles can block?? Seriously what gms u watching. Sproles is not Warrck Dunn homie hes 180lbs soaking wet yes, he can. in fact, id imagine his ability to keep drew upright is a big part of why drew was willing to campaign for his signing. he might not be a crushing blocker, but he seems to well understand the schemes and assignments - something that we have heard rumors about CJ not being able to get (and part of why i suspect coaches havent split him out to WR either) on the saints related front - you might see more similarities with a reggie bush who was a back that had proven explosive but had not yet proven that he could be an every down back and was coming up on big pay in his rookie deal when the saints traded him. still not perfect, but i think closer. (dont get me wrong, i like CJ and want him on this team despite arguing some of his weak points in this thread) Edited January 17, 2014 by NoSaint
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