no charges in IRS investigation?

[DC Tom]

http://www.theblaze....ed-by-a-glitch/

 

That is !@#$ing hilarious.

[Nanker]

Listen you silly bitches, she inadvertently, ah, hem... INADVERTENTLY put them all in the recycle bin and then emptied the wastebasket.

What so hard to believe about that? They're gone you idiots. She EMPTIED the wastebasket. How much more clear can they be? [/gaytard]

[Koko78]

Listen you silly bitches, she inadvertently, ah, hem... INADVERTENTLY put them all in the recycle bin and then emptied the wastebasket.

What so hard to believe about that? They're gone you idiots. She EMPTIED the wastebasket. How much more clear can they be? [/gaytard]

 

I'll bet you she doesn't even rewind her DVDs!

[IDBillzFan]

I'll bet you she doesn't even rewind her DVDs!

 

Rumor has it she spends hours in house yelling at her remote "Find Gary Busey! FIND Gary Busey!"

[OCinBuffalo]

This is funny, of course because this is "dog ate my homework". It's hilarious in fact, because they were dumb enough to believe this was better than either doing nothing, or saying something else. Nobody believes this email story. Nobody except gatorman-types.

 

But, it's also funny because, 10 years ago, you guys might have bought this story. And, 10 years ago, I might have had to explain this further in IT terms.

 

Now? I bet half of you could explain, at least the theory, behind load-balancing(horizontal scaling)/fail-over architecture. I bet most of you know damn well that even amongst government IT people, maintaining a poperly scaling, load-balancing, and archiving email architecture is easily done.

 

To me, this is just another example of the Dan Rather effect, but updated by 10 years: the internet, and our shared experiences with it, make excuses/cannards like this, that might have worked before....just silly.

 

What serious person doesn't know what a "restore point" is?

[DC Tom]

This is funny, of course because this is "dog ate my homework". It's hilarious in fact, because they were dumb enough to believe this was better than either doing nothing, or saying something else. Nobody believes this email story. Nobody except gatorman-types.

 

But, it's also funny because, 10 years ago, you guys might have bought this story. And, 10 years ago, I might have had to explain this further in IT terms.

 

Now? I bet half of you could explain, at least the theory, behind load-balancing(horizontal scaling)/fail-over architecture. I bet most of you know damn well that even amongst government IT people, maintaining a poperly scaling, load-balancing, and archiving email architecture is easily done.

 

To me, this is just another example of the Dan Rather effect, but updated by 10 years: the internet, and our shared experiences with it, make excuses/cannards like this, that might have worked before....just silly.

 

What serious person doesn't know what a "restore point" is?

 

One key point, though: it can be difficult, administratively, to get archived emails out of a server. Technically, not so much...but I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if it required a Congressional subpoena in this context.

 

And you'd be surprised what government IT people don't do. Our email system uses a black hole as an archive - our server administrators can't even retrieve archives from it.

 

It's a truly pitiful excuse - "My hard drive crashed, and I lost my emails." But I could see it being true nonetheless.

[keepthefaith]

One key point, though: it can be difficult, administratively, to get archived emails out of a server. Technically, not so much...but I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if it required a Congressional subpoena in this context.

 

And you'd be surprised what government IT people don't do. Our email system uses a black hole as an archive - our server administrators can't even retrieve archives from it.

 

It's a truly pitiful excuse - "My hard drive crashed, and I lost my emails." But I could see it being true nonetheless.

 

I find it hard to believe that an agency such as the IRS does not have very disciplined archival and redundancy systems and practices in place given the nature of their business.

[DC Tom]

I find it hard to believe that an agency such as the IRS does not have very disciplined archival and redundancy systems and practices in place given the nature of their business.

 

I found it hard to believe too, once upon a time...

[B-Man]

How fortunate is is for us then, that the Internal Revenue Service is in charge of enforcing Obamacare for all.

 

 

 

 

 

 

One key point, though: it can be difficult, administratively, to get archived emails out of a server. Technically, not so much...but I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if it required a Congressional subpoena in this context.

 

And you'd be surprised what government IT people don't do. Our email system uses a black hole as an archive - our server administrators can't even retrieve archives from it.

 

It's a truly pitiful excuse - "My hard drive crashed, and I lost my emails." But I could see it being true nonetheless.

 

 

This of course does not explain why it took them a year to respond to the subpena with this "story" .

 

If they didn't have them just say so.

 

 

 

(we all know why)

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Edited June 17, 2014 by B-Man

[B-Man]

remember..."Not a smidgen of corruption." Said Obama.

 

 

IRS Has Lost More E-mails . . .

 

By Eliana Johnson

 

 

It’s not just Lois Lerner’s e-mails. The Internal Revenue Service says it can’t produce e-mails from six more employees involved in the targeting of conservative groups, according to two Republicans investigating the scandal.

 

 

 

more at the link

 

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[1billsfan]

remember..."Not a smidgen of corruption." Said Obama.

 

 

IRS Has Lost More E-mails . . .

 

By Eliana Johnson

 

 

It’s not just Lois Lerner’s e-mails. The Internal Revenue Service says it can’t produce e-mails from six more employees involved in the targeting of conservative groups, according to two Republicans investigating the scandal.

 

 

 

more at the link

 

.

 

It appears that there's something very damaging in those emails. The fact that ABC, NBC and CBS are not reporting on a lie this big just goes to show you how corrupt they're willing to become to cover for Obama.

 

This big story of missing emails points to this scandal potentially being Obama's Watergate. Eventually investigators will probably get to someone who will refuse to go along with the story because they don't want to risk going to jail for perjury.

[Nanker]

Not only that, but where is the modern day John Dean? Lerner sent emails to lots of folks and not one of them have come forward with a single one. Liberal corruption is fascist in its resolve to cover up wrong doing.

[DC Tom]

Not only that, but where is the modern day John Dean? Lerner sent emails to lots of folks and not one of them have come forward with a single one. Liberal corruption is fascist in its resolve to cover up wrong doing.

 

Most of them wouldn't be liberal or conservative, just GS-level workers who couldn't care less about the politics but desperately don't want to be hauled in front of Congress and lose their jobs.

[B-Man]

Despite the “MISSING” EMAILS, news is still coming out:

“In fact, the documents showed Lerner wanted to make an example out of someone with charges in order to chill all of the groups in the tea party movement.”

 

 

I think it’s fair at this point to assume that the “missing” emails are missing because someone in the White House was behind this.

 

 

 

 

Mark Tapscott: Two Reasons Why The IRS Scandal Isn’t Going Away Any Time Soon.

 

 

 

[Koko78]

 

 

Wouldn't something have to exist first, before it could be missing?

[keepthefaith]

Wouldn't something have to exist first, before it could be missing?

 

Obviously, the Lerner email and email of several others is very incriminating and has been deliberately destroyed.

[B-Man]

IRS Was Required By Law To Print Out Lois Lerner's Emails

Original Article

 

 

 

 

 

The media focus should be on the administration’s behavior, not on Republicans’ reaction to it.

 

The Real Story of the IRS Scandal

by Jonah Goldberg

 

‘Congressional investigators are fuming over revelations that the Internal Revenue Service has lost a trove of emails to and from a central figure in the agency’s tea-party controversy.”

 

That’s the opening sentence of the Associated Press story on the IRS’s claim that it lost an unknown number of e-mails over two years relating to the agency’s alleged targeting of political groups hostile to the president.

 

But note how the AP casts the story: The investigators — Republican lawmakers — are outraged.

 

Is it really so hard to imagine that if this were a Republican administration, the story wouldn’t be the frustration of partisan critics of the president? It would be all about that administration’s behavior. With the exception of National Journal’s Ron Fournier, who called for a special prosecutor to bypass the White House’s “stonewalling,” and former CBS correspondent Sharyl Attkisson, it’s hard to find a non-conservative journalist who thinks this is a big deal.

 

Let’s back up for a moment. In 2013, IRS official Lois Lerner planted a question from an audience member at an American Bar Association meeting. She used her answer to apologize for — and favorably spin — the agency’s actions, and then later claimed that the apology came as an unprompted response to a question.

 

Lerner laid the blame for the inappropriate targeting of tea-party and other groups on a few low-level bureaucrats in Cincinnati. That was a lie. Senior officials in the IRS knew and helped to coordinate the effort. She said she only heard about the problem when tea-party groups protested. The targeting, in fact, had already been under internal and external investigation.

 

 

 

In short, Lerner worked hard at denying her agency’s tactics on applications for nonprofit status from groups deemed to be hostile to the president’s agenda. According to IRS officials’ congressional testimony, agents were told to “be on the lookout” for groups that “criticized how the government is being run.”

 

 

More at the link

[OCinBuffalo]

One key point, though: it can be difficult, administratively, to get archived emails out of a server. Technically, not so much...but I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if it required a Congressional subpoena in this context.

 

And you'd be surprised what government IT people don't do. Our email system uses a black hole as an archive - our server administrators can't even retrieve archives from it.

 

It's a truly pitiful excuse - "My hard drive crashed, and I lost my emails." But I could see it being true nonetheless.

Then this is easily resolved.

 

You threaten the pay, not jobs, of every single IT person at the IRS. The whole chain of command. You present them with a choice: either produce the emails, or, while we may not be able to fire you, we don't have to pay you for incompetence. The American people aren't going to care, so there is absolutely 0 political risk/cost to Congress cutting the budget of IRS IT to $1. IF you want to stay, and work for free, you may. Otherwise: produce the emails.

 

Then, you pull the funds for every contract for every IRS IT contractor. You offer them a choice: "produce the emails, and your contract gets funded for 5 years. You don't, and your contract is done immediately."

 

They can either claim and own firable incompetence, or, they can can own that they know what they are doing, but are refusing to do it, as well as literally being insubordinate.

 

Nice and tidy logic trap. Since the IRS works in reverse, you can't fire them, etc., you have to threaten them with no pay instead. What I can't believe is that nobody has gottent the contractors to flip, and hand over everything. ALL you need to do is promise whoever is in there(and you know someone is) an "acting CIO" role via the budget, and they would turn on the IRS managers like a mother in law. "Acting CIO" is the highest level of achievement for any consultant. You are literally signing your own paychecks using their money. No consulting firm would ever turn that down.

Edited June 18, 2014 by OCinBuffalo

[Koko78]

Obviously, the Lerner email and email of several others is very incriminating and has been deliberately destroyed.

 

Yes, and clearly the 18.5 minutes of Nixon's tape existed at one point as well.

 

That's two out of the three accounted for...

[DC Tom]

Then this is easily resolved.

 

You threaten the pay, not jobs, of every single IT person at the IRS. The whole chain of command. You present them with a choice: either produce the emails, or, while we may not be able to fire you, we don't have to pay you for incompetence. The American people aren't going to care, so there is absolutely 0 political risk/cost to Congress cutting the budget of IRS IT to $1. IF you want to stay, and work for free, you may. Otherwise: produce the emails.

 

Then, you pull the funds for every contract for every IRS IT contractor. You offer them a choice: "produce the emails, and your contract gets funded for 5 years. You don't, and your contract is done immediately."

 

They can either claim and own firable incompetence, or, they can can own that they know what they are doing, but are refusing to do it, as well as literally being insubordinate.

 

Nice and tidy logic trap. Since the IRS works in reverse, you can't fire them, etc., you have to threaten them with no pay instead. What I can't believe is that nobody has gottent the contractors to flip, and hand over everything. ALL you need to do is promise whoever is in there(and you know someone is) an "acting CIO" role via the budget, and they would turn on the IRS managers like a mother in law. "Acting CIO" is the highest level of achievement for any consultant. You are literally signing your own paychecks using their money. No consulting firm would ever turn that down.

 

The contractors aren't responsible. "Hey, we just do what we're told. We didn't design this goofy system, it was forced on us." Probably by an ignorant COTR who's no longer with the IRS. Half of government work is making sure you can blame someone else when the solid biological waste material intersects the oscillating cooling device. I think it's a ridiculous way to work...but I see it all the time (just had a guy fired for it, in fact).

 

Note that I'm not saying this is what happened - I have no idea. I'm just pointing out that government IT is so screwed up that the emails were, in fact, lost for good, and no one currently at the IRS is at fault for that.