S***Hole School In Queens: How Does This Happen?

[TakeYouToTasker]

 

no one gets to pick their parents...so i guess we're back to eugenics. wouldn't surprise me at all if you were a proponent.

So rather than engage in an honest discussion about root causes; and acknowedging that it's often a dynastic legacy of poor parenting that causes and perpetuates failure and inequality, you've decided to throw your hands up in the air and loudly proclaim that I just want to kill grandma?

 

/golfclap

[Chef Jim]

i would start with a greater emphasis on discipline. not corporal punishment but loss of rights and privileges and even shaming. failing a grade wouild become more common again. there would be a limit to unacceptable behavior with suspensions and eventually expulsion if the student will not respond. before expulsion, investigation into the students social situation would be done preferrably by a social worker but if not possible by a teacher and available aid offered. evaluation by a pediatrician before expulsion would also be beneficial to rule out organic causes. ultimately, however, some kids would be expelled.i'd raise the minimum wage so fewer parents would need to work 2 jobs and have more time with their kids.i'd incentivize teaching as a career more, especially in poorer neighborhoods where less are apt to want to work. i'd require competency testing (both practical and written testing - sort of board certification for teachers) for teachers and administrators and remove those who didn't meet minimum criteria. i'd reward teachers with excellent outcomes financially. measuring those outcomes is tricky but i'd leave that up to experts in the field rather than legislators that come up with things like SOL's.i'd offer more vocational training to those clearly not suited for higher academic pursuits.i'd offer polytechnics in place of universities for those somewhere in between.a few off the cuff ideas.might cost more initially, but may well cost less over time as the need or public assistance and more prisons decrease.

 

Shaming the kids to do better in school? How about shaming the parents into becoming parents. Shaming parents that living on unemployment, welfare and foodstamps when they are able to work is unacceptable. Shaming people that it is no longer accetpable to !@#$ each other like animals at the age of 14 and leaving the mother to raise the child on her own. No...you want to raise minimum wage. I thought LA asked you not to include throwing more money and people or things.

[IDBillzFan]

i would start with a greater emphasis on discipline. not corporal punishment but loss of rights and privileges and even shaming. failing a grade wouild become more common again. there would be a limit to unacceptable behavior with suspensions and eventually expulsion if the student will not respond. before expulsion, investigation into the students social situation would be done preferrably by a social worker but if not possible by a teacher and available aid offered. evaluation by a pediatrician before expulsion would also be beneficial to rule out organic causes. ultimately, however, some kids would be expelled.i'd raise the minimum wage so fewer parents would need to work 2 jobs and have more time with their kids.i'd incentivize teaching as a career more, especially in poorer neighborhoods where less are apt to want to work. i'd require competency testing (both practical and written testing - sort of board certification for teachers) for teachers and administrators and remove those who didn't meet minimum criteria. i'd reward teachers with excellent outcomes financially. measuring those outcomes is tricky but i'd leave that up to experts in the field rather than legislators that come up with things like SOL's.i'd offer more vocational training to those clearly not suited for higher academic pursuits.i'd offer polytechnics in place of universities for those somewhere in between.a few off the cuff ideas.might cost more initially, but may well cost less over time as the need or public assistance and more prisons decrease.

 

You've all but completely eliminated the core problem, which is generally the case with progressives, so don't take it personally. You'll be following kids around for the rest of eternity on your approach because you micromanage kids and you throw more money at teachers (note: getting teachers into schitthole neighborhoods for slightly more money fails every time), and yet nowhere do we discuss parenting.

 

The problem starts with parenting; the breakdown of the family unit that is inundated with irresponsible single-parent takers who know that having another child they can't raise will get them a bump in their monthly government handout.

 

We need to fix the family. We need to have children raised in homes dedicated to giving them the absolute best chance they could ever have. Step one ... government handouts need to go away except for the truly needy, and the truly needy better have a stack of paper proving their only alternative in life is to be truly needy. Let's tie government handout directly to community service...cleaning parks, streets, schools, communities.

 

Once an effort is shown, you will find many more people willing to help those who truly need it. Churches can be recruited to assist in a more effective way than organizing homeless shelter perishables. Everyone can get together and truly work toward fixing the family, helping those truly in need, and when we get more people pulling and less people are just sitting on their ass, more will rise out of poverty and perform better across the board.

 

 

It's not a panacea, but it's a start. We don't value the family anymore and as far as I'm concerned, start fixing that and maybe in a few generations we'll all be working harder to do better and not working less to get a handout.

[Dante]

There's still hope, Jim.

B. O. has a pen and a phone - don't forget that, and he will not rest until...

I know it's off point but he actually does do a lot of resting for a guy who says" he will not rest" all the time.

[DC Tom]

I know it's off point but he actually does do a lot of resting for a guy who says" he will not rest" all the time.

 

That's racist.

[Alaska Darin]

hmmm, eugenics? no, thought you wouldn't go there.

The war on poverty has been going on for 50 years now. You're not winning by doing what you're doing and you NEVER WILL.

 

The liberal mantra should be "Mediocrity for All!"

 

You've all but completely eliminated the core problem, which is generally the case with progressives, so don't take it personally. You'll be following kids around for the rest of eternity on your approach because you micromanage kids and you throw more money at teachers (note: getting teachers into schitthole neighborhoods for slightly more money fails every time), and yet nowhere do we discuss parenting.

 

The problem starts with parenting; the breakdown of the family unit that is inundated with irresponsible single-parent takers who know that having another child they can't raise will get them a bump in their monthly government handout.

 

We need to fix the family. We need to have children raised in homes dedicated to giving them the absolute best chance they could ever have. Step one ... government handouts need to go away except for the truly needy, and the truly needy better have a stack of paper proving their only alternative in life is to be truly needy. Let's tie government handout directly to community service...cleaning parks, streets, schools, communities.

 

Once an effort is shown, you will find many more people willing to help those who truly need it. Churches can be recruited to assist in a more effective way than organizing homeless shelter perishables. Everyone can get together and truly work toward fixing the family, helping those truly in need, and when we get more people pulling and less people are just sitting on their ass, more will rise out of poverty and perform better across the board.

 

 

It's not a panacea, but it's a start. We don't value the family anymore and as far as I'm concerned, start fixing that and maybe in a few generations we'll all be working harder to do better and not working less to get a handout.

Sadly, the reason for the dilution of the family is the liberal need to be a part of every facet of life. People have abdicated their responsibility because of it.

[Wacka]

Here is Chris Rock in 1996:

Black People vs N******

Very NSFW- language

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3PJF0YE-x4

Edited January 16, 2014 by Wacka

[birdog1960]

the best chance to break the cycle of poverty is childhood. behaviors and personalities are not fully engrained and formed there. for some inspiration and evidence of success, look to the Catholic church. emphasis on parochial education wasn't just empirically put forth with "let's see what happens".

 

in the same vein, much of the dissolution of families resulted from the dissolution of morals. the "sexual revolution" should bear much blame. there is a strong temporal relationship between it's prominence and the family's decline. tv, movies, print articles and images and later the internet, especially pornography, made it appear that monogamy and the nuclear family were relics of the past and definitely uncool. the impetus for it? i'd say greed and lust, 2 temptations that have been around for all human history but until recently have been considered virtuous to avoid. we're left with entire generations of narcissists. so yup, int needs to start with the malleablle kids and it can't happen soon enough.

[meazza]

the best chance to break the cycle of poverty is childhood. behaviors and personalities are not fully engrained and formed there. for some inspiration and evidence of success, look to the Catholic church. emphasis on parochial education wasn't just empirically put forth with "let's see what happens".

 

in the same vein, much of the dissolution of families resulted from the dissolution of morals. the "sexual revolution" should bear much blame. there is a strong temporal relationship between it's prominence and the family's decline. tv, movies, print articles and images and later the internet, especially pornography, made it appear that monogamy and the nuclear family were relics of the past and definitely uncool. the impetus for it? i'd say greed and lust, 2 temptations that have been around for all human history but until recently have been considered virtuous to avoid. we're left with entire generations of narcissists. so yup, int needs to start with the malleablle kids and it can't happen soon enough.

 

First time ever I agree with you.

[Chef Jim]

the best chance to break the cycle of poverty is childhood. behaviors and personalities are not fully engrained and formed there. for some inspiration and evidence of success, look to the Catholic church. emphasis on parochial education wasn't just empirically put forth with "let's see what happens".

 

in the same vein, much of the dissolution of families resulted from the dissolution of morals. the "sexual revolution" should bear much blame. there is a strong temporal relationship between it's prominence and the family's decline. tv, movies, print articles and images and later the internet, especially pornography, made it appear that monogamy and the nuclear family were relics of the past and definitely uncool. the impetus for it? i'd say greed and lust, 2 temptations that have been around for all human history but until recently have been considered virtuous to avoid. we're left with entire generations of narcissists. so yup, int needs to start with the malleablle kids and it can't happen soon enough.

 

 

And this has what to do with bigger government and throwing more money at the problem? I'll answer that for you....nothing. Bravo for finally figuring it out.

[GG]

Hell, our president was a teacher (I'm told) and I think everyone here agrees he ain't the sharpest knife in the ol' toolshed, ammmiright?

 

Quite the contrary. Because of his high pedigree from respected institutions of progressive thought, he's believed to be a smart leader and executive. Unlike the fat guy in Jersey.

[birdog1960]

And this has what to do with bigger government and throwing more money at the problem? I'll answer that for you....nothing. Bravo for finally figuring it out.

at has to do with investing in youth through education and through excellent teachers as role models. we can't rely on and our unlikely to change inadequate parents.

[Jauronimo]

at has to do with investing in youth through education and through excellent teachers as role models. we can't rely on and our unlikely to change inadequate parents.

In other words, adults cannot change and raising children is the responsibility of the state? I'm guessing from your posting history, that these adults who we cannot rely on also need to be taken care of by the state?

 

How did we get here? At one time weren't adults up to the task? What changed?

[birdog1960]

In other words, adults cannot change and raising children is the responsibility of the state? I'm guessing from your posting history, that these adults who we cannot rely on also need to be taken care of by the state?

 

How did we get here? At one time weren't adults up to the task? What changed?

not the responsibility, the prudent course of action to stem the further collapse in values, morals and education that's been occurring for the last several decades. as for the adults, the prudent course of action to avoid civil unrest (from a purely practical perspective).

[Chef Jim]

at has to do with investing in youth through education and through excellent teachers as role models. we can't rely on and our unlikely to change inadequate parents.

 

God you were so close and then you come up with this.

[TakeYouToTasker]

at has to do with investing in youth through education and through excellent teachers as role models. we can't rely on and our unlikely to change inadequate parents.

First of all, you don't invest in "education", you invest in individuals whom you are trying to educate. Investment in the nebulous concept of education is impossible, as it directs resources into institutions as opposed to toward students; and it supports the monolithic "everyone is the same, will receive the same, and will benefit equally for the greater good" mantra that is so pervasive in central planning.

 

Secondly, good teachers, nevermind excellent teachers, are exceptionally rare. The reason for this is two-fold:

 

1: Education is a worthless major which produces worthless degrees. Teachers do not emerge as experts in the fields they are teaching. Most don't even emerge as proficient.

 

2: Unions incentivize and protect mediocity.

[GG]

at has to do with investing in youth through education and through excellent teachers as role models. we can't rely on and our unlikely to change inadequate parents.

 

Utter horsecrap. I never looked at a teacher as a role model. I looked at a teacher as a teacher. I don't even remember the names of 95% of my teachers. Does that make them ineffective in their jobs? No, because I still learned what I needed to learn and got the grades that I needed to get. Because if I didn't, life with my parents would have been a bit more challenging.

 

Now that I have a kid in school, I see it from the other side. His teacher this year is awful, and I know there's little we can do to change that. So we don't piss and moan about it, and make sure that he picks up the needed knowledge on his own, and not be behind in the next grade.

 

That is the concept that people are trying to get through your head.

[Jim in Anchorage]

not the responsibility, the prudent course of action to stem the further collapse in values, morals and education that's been occurring for the last several decades. as for the adults, the prudent course of action to avoid civil unrest (from a purely practical perspective).

So preventing riots is key?

[IDBillzFan]

Now that I have a kid in school, I see it from the other side. His teacher this year is awful, and I know there's little we can do to change that. So we don't piss and moan about it, and make sure that he picks up the needed knowledge on his own, and not be behind in the next grade.

 

Imagine now, for a moment, that as a parent, you had no idea what kind of teacher your child had, and spent zero time helping your child(ren) navigate their way through homework assignments, time management, priorities...and instead, came home to find them playing Xbox with their friends, whose names you barely know...just glad they're out of your way and quiet so you can watch TV in peace after a long day of sitting on the stoop with the other deadbeat mothers and fathers.

 

Why, it's almost like you could wake one day and find out the principal of the school makes six figures plus overtime and randomly shows up to work wrapped in fur while driving a BMW.

 

The answer: tenure for teachers and more money for education.

[DC Tom]

at has to do with investing in youth through education and through excellent teachers as role models. we can't rely on and our unlikely to change inadequate parents.

 

Yes, because historically if their parents as !@#$s kids look to excellent teachers are role models.

 

News flash: the idiots who invented the phrase "It takes a village" kept their daughter extremely segregated from said village.