PFF's 2013 OL Grades

[thebandit27]

Not sure I believe 15th when the Bills look to need a new LG, RG, and RT.

 

LG and RT I'll give you...Urbik is fine at RG

[Cheddar's Dad]

There is a lot of BS here. PFF must be using statistics which can be and usually are misleading. Seattle 26th.? They're likely to play New England for the SB. New England at 16??

 

Buffalo at 15?? PFF says Buffalo was much better with Legursky than with Brown at LG. Something is wrong here. Our LG position went from dreadful to awful. But PFF give us some praise there. This is an info source for the junk heap.

[Dorkington]

LG and RT I'll give you...Urbik is fine at RG

 

I agree here. And RT is "ok" (could be improved, but not nearly as bad as LG). What's the word on Hairston?

 

I think the OL looked about "average" over the year. Our sketchy QB play made them look bad at times, and so did Spiller's inability to choose the right hole. On the other end, Jackson's ability to grab extra yards at the end of the runs made them look better, heh.

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

I have a feeling that this is skewed because it's probably a cumulative number (i.e., add up all the values of the players on the o-line to get a final score).

 

So, we end up having a good/average o-line because Glenn and Wood grade off the charts and they end up off-setting the low grades that the others get.

[Dorkington]

I have a feeling that this is skewed because it's probably a cumulative number (i.e., add up all the values of the players on the o-line to get a final score).

 

So, we end up having a good/average o-line because Glenn and Wood grade off the charts and they end up off-setting the low grades that the others get.

 

From earlier:

 

Glenn +23

Urbik +7.6

Wood -5.1

Pears -5

Brown -30.1

Legursky -12.5

[thebandit27]

There is a lot of BS here. PFF must be using statistics which can be and usually are misleading. Seattle 26th.? They're likely to play New England for the SB. New England at 16??

 

Buffalo at 15?? PFF says Buffalo was much better with Legursky than with Brown at LG. Something is wrong here. Our LG position went from dreadful to awful. But PFF give us some praise there. This is an info source for the junk heap.

 

Seattle's OL was a trainwreck all season. Every starter on that line missed time due to injury, and both starting guard positions continue to be shuffled due to ineffective play (with rookie Michael Bowie making his first start at LG against New Orleans last week in place of the ineffective James Carpenter/Paul McQuistan duo). As I pointed out in another thread, view the metrics on NFL.com to compare Seattle's average YPC, Power Success, etc. to Buffalo's, and you'll notice their OL is no better than ours...at all.

 

Also, this isn't the only resource for grading OLs, just one. If you want to make comparisons, going by team record really isn't the way to go...why not bring another "Advanced Stats" metric into the equation and discuss further instead of throwing the rankings out with total disregard?

 

For example, here's how Football Outsiders (a site I like a bit more than PFF, but still has its limitations) ranked the OLs in 2013:

 

http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/ol

 

More to your liking? Buffalo at 16th in run blocking at 28th in pass blocking, NE at 1 in run blocking and 9th in pass blocking, Seattle at 9th in run blocking and 32nd in pass blocking.

 

Yes, it's one ranking system, and as I said at the beginning, I rely on the eyeball test more than anything. Overall though, it's interesting to look at.

 

Lastly, yes, the blocking absolutely improved in going from Brown to Legursky...just nowhere near enough (which everyone seems to agree on).

 

I agree here. And RT is "ok" (could be improved, but not nearly as bad as LG). What's the word on Hairston?

 

I think the OL looked about "average" over the year. Our sketchy QB play made them look bad at times, and so did Spiller's inability to choose the right hole. On the other end, Jackson's ability to grab extra yards at the end of the runs made them look better, heh.

 

No word on Hairston...I don't feel comfortable counting on either him or Pears to man either the RT or swing OT spot next year. I'd rather spend a few FA dollars on a guy like Zach Strief or Anthony Collins to play RT, and then pick up a Dennis Roland, Marshall Newhouse, or Will Svitek to play swing OT.

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

From earlier:

 

Glenn +23

Urbik +7.6

Wood -5.1

Pears -5

Brown -30.1

Legursky -12.5

 

So, I am even more confused. They must use some kind of weighted average, or other variables. Do they explain their methodology? I didn't see it anywhere.

 

I can tell you, though, that the Bills don't have a better o-line than the Patriots.

[papazoid]

at #9 draft Greg Robinson OT Auburn. play him at RT and move Pears to LG.

[RyanC883]

Here they are:

 

https://www.profootb...-line-rankings/

 

I don't often read PFF, so I'm surprised that Buffalo ranks as highly as they do (15th), given that I've seen PFF referenced many times as an example of why the Bills' OL isn't good.

 

I always use the eyeball test anyway, and so I'm pleased to see that where they've ranked Buffalo is exactly what I believe I saw: middle of the pack.

 

Thoughts?

 

I agree they were middle of the pack. Not terrible, not awesome. We did get good rushing production out of them. Would like to add to the unit. Like the D, a few additions could make them very formidable. May be some FA's also worth pursuing.

 

at #9 draft Greg Robinson OT Auburn. play him at RT and move Pears to LG.

 

He's a good pick. I think we can trade back if we go that route. Pick up another 2nd rounder and hope Benjamin falls to us, and Aaron Donald.

[thebandit27]

So, I am even more confused. They must use some kind of weighted average, or other variables. Do they explain their methodology? I didn't see it anywhere.

 

I can tell you, though, that the Bills don't have a better o-line than the Patriots.

 

No, they don't. NE has long had a great run-blocking OL under the tutelage of under-the-radar OL Coach Dante Scarnecchia, who--for my money--may be the best position coach in all of football. Their pass blocking isn't the best, especially on the interior, but they get away with it because Brady is so good at slinking around in the pocket. He's probably the best QB in the NFL in that regard outside of Russell Wilson (who can leak away to his protection--however meager it may be--as well as any QB I've ever seen).

 

at #9 draft Greg Robinson OT Auburn. play him at RT and move Pears to LG.

 

Very good player...not sure I think he's the best choice at No. 9; probably wouldn't be disappointed with him as the RT though. I'm not big on Pears-to-guard though...I just don't see him playing well in tight spaces.

 

I agree they were middle of the pack. Not terrible, not awesome. We did get good rushing production out of them. Would like to add to the unit. Like the D, a few additions could make them very formidable. May be some FA's also worth pursuing.

 

 

 

He's a good pick. I think we can trade back if we go that route. Pick up another 2nd rounder and hope Benjamin falls to us, and Aaron Donald.

 

I agree with your OL thoughts. I hate the idea of trading back...I'd like to get a top 10 talent.

[Dorkington]

Seattle's OL was a trainwreck all season. Every starter on that line missed time due to injury, and both starting guard positions continue to be shuffled due to ineffective play (with rookie Michael Bowie making his first start at LG against New Orleans last week in place of the ineffective James Carpenter/Paul McQuistan duo). As I pointed out in another thread, view the metrics on NFL.com to compare Seattle's average YPC, Power Success, etc. to Buffalo's, and you'll notice their OL is no better than ours...at all.

 

Also, this isn't the only resource for grading OLs, just one. If you want to make comparisons, going by team record really isn't the way to go...why not bring another "Advanced Stats" metric into the equation and discuss further instead of throwing the rankings out with total disregard?

 

For example, here's how Football Outsiders (a site I like a bit more than PFF, but still has its limitations) ranked the OLs in 2013:

 

http://www.footballo...rs.com/stats/ol

 

More to your liking? Buffalo at 16th in run blocking at 28th in pass blocking, NE at 1 in run blocking and 9th in pass blocking, Seattle at 9th in run blocking and 32nd in pass blocking.

 

Yes, it's one ranking system, and as I said at the beginning, I rely on the eyeball test more than anything. Overall though, it's interesting to look at.

 

Lastly, yes, the blocking absolutely improved in going from Brown to Legursky...just nowhere near enough (which everyone seems to agree on).

 

 

 

No word on Hairston...I don't feel comfortable counting on either him or Pears to man either the RT or swing OT spot next year. I'd rather spend a few FA dollars on a guy like Zach Strief or Anthony Collins to play RT, and then pick up a Dennis Roland, Marshall Newhouse, or Will Svitek to play swing OT.

 

I agree that we should upgrade the position, just saying that RT isn't as dire as LG, at least imo.

[boyst]

 

 

You've lost me...I'm not sure what point you're trying to make.

a WR ranked +8 makes a bigger impact them a OL ranked +16. He is a unit player that is only as strong as the weakest player in his unit. That WR gets a chance to 1on1 his ability. OL must rely on each other all while doing a tall task of stopping someone.