playman Posted January 11, 2014 Posted January 11, 2014 (edited) anything other than qb. and OL over TE. with watkins topping that list. Edited January 11, 2014 by playman
NewEra Posted January 11, 2014 Posted January 11, 2014 My top 9: Manziel Bridgewater Clowney Watkins Matthews Barr Mack Mosley Ebron
bananathumb Posted January 11, 2014 Posted January 11, 2014 I figure Bills will take a LB in first. Has anyone seen all three of Mack, Barr and Mosely play? If so, which would be your choice? I haven't watched any of them play a down.
uncle flap Posted January 11, 2014 Posted January 11, 2014 I figure Bills will take a LB in first. Has anyone seen all three of Mack, Barr and Mosely play? If so, which would be your choice? I haven't watched any of them play a down. Barr is more of a pure edge rusher. Mosely and Mack are far more versatile IMO. Mosely has the size edge over Mack and has played against stiffer competition, but also has injury concerns. I'd take Mack but that might be the homer in me as I'm a UB grad.
bananathumb Posted January 11, 2014 Posted January 11, 2014 Barr is more of a pure edge rusher. Mosely and Mack are far more versatile IMO. Mosely has the size edge over Mack and has played against stiffer competition, but also has injury concerns. I'd take Mack but that might be the homer in me as I'm a UB grad. Thanks. That's pretty well what I've read too. Obviously, you've seen Mack...what about the others?
Kirby Jackson Posted January 11, 2014 Posted January 11, 2014 I figure Bills will take a LB in first. Has anyone seen all three of Mack, Barr and Mosely play? If so, which would be your choice? I haven't watched any of them play a down. I would agree with Uncle Flap. I think that Mack is the most complete, Mosely feels solid but he doesn't jump off the screen like Mack. Barr is more of a rusher and a freak athlete. He feels a little boom or bust to me. I think that Barr and Mack have similar ceilings (higher than Mosely IMO). Mack and Mosely also have higher floors.
bananathumb Posted January 11, 2014 Posted January 11, 2014 I would agree with Uncle Flap. I think that Mack is the most complete, Mosely feels solid but he doesn't jump off the screen like Mack. Barr is more of a rusher and a freak athlete. He feels a little boom or bust to me. I think that Barr and Mack have similar ceilings (higher than Mosely IMO). Mack and Mosely also have higher floors. Thanks. We definitely don't want another Maybin, right?
playman Posted January 11, 2014 Posted January 11, 2014 but we may want a matthews or orakpo or someome like that........
KOKBILLS Posted January 11, 2014 Posted January 11, 2014 but we may want a matthews or orakpo or someome like that........ Why? The Bills already have Hughes and Lawson on the outside, and they want to move Kiko to the weak side...Hughes is playing that hybrid 3-4 OLB/4-3 DE in Passing situations, basically rushing the QB most of the time...IMHO the Bills will be looking for a stuffer on the inside first and foremost, and not a hybrid on the outside...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted January 11, 2014 Posted January 11, 2014 Get bortles and Carr out of consideration and we are ready to roll. Gotta patch up wr and OL first IMO. Nab a qb later or go all on next year if EJ regresses. Put Bortles and Amaro back
uncle flap Posted January 11, 2014 Posted January 11, 2014 (edited) Thanks. That's pretty well what I've read too. Obviously, you've seen Mack...what about the others? I've seen the least out of Barr, but he didn't really make those awesome "splash" plays that jump off the screen like Kirby alluded to Mack doing. He's certainly good, but like KOK said, I don't think it's a god idea to spend that high of a pick on a guy that IMO doesn't bring much more than Jerry Hughes does. I noticed a Barr looking lost in space the few times I watched the Bruins as well. Mosely is pretty much always where you'd expect him to be and seems to cover as well as he attacks the run or the QB. He seems to be fairly decent at diagnosing plays but sometimes lets blockers come to him on run plays instead of running more downhill, but overall I'd still say he's pretty good against the run. I've watched almost every UB game, only 2 or 3 UCLA games, and maybe 7 or 8 Bama games. A good portion of my opinion however comes from re-watching Mack and Mosely on those YouTube scouting reports, which I know make some people groan, but the ones that show every player's snap in a particular game I think paint a reasonably accurate portrayal of a player's strength AND weaknesses, as opposed to the pure "highlight" reels. By no means do I want to make myself out to be an expert, I just enjoy taking extra looks at top prospects and especially guys who might become Bills. Edited January 11, 2014 by uncle flap
bananathumb Posted January 11, 2014 Posted January 11, 2014 I've seen the least out of Barr, but he didn't really make those awesome "splash" plays that jump off the screen like Kirby alluded to Mack doing. He's certainly good, but like KOK said, I don't think it's a god idea to spend that high of a pick on a guy that IMO doesn't bring much more than Jerry Hughes does. I noticed a Barr looking lost in space the few times I watched the Bruins as well. Mosely is pretty much always where you'd expect him to be and seems to cover as well as he attacks the run or the QB. He seems to be fairly decent at diagnosing plays but sometimes lets blockers come to him on run plays instead of running more downhill, but overall I'd still say he's pretty good against the run. I've watched almost every UB game, only 2 or 3 UCLA games, and maybe 7 or 8 Bama games. A good portion of my opinion however comes from re-watching Mack and Mosely on those YouTube scouting reports, which I know make some people groan, but the ones that show every player's snap in a particular game I think give a paint a reasonably accurate portrayal of a player's strength AND weaknesses, as opposed to the pure "highlight" reels. By no means do I want to make myself out to be an expert, I just enjoy taking extra looks at top prospects and especially guys who might become Bills. Good stuff. Sounds like Mack or Mosely then. Barr probably gone by 9 anyway. Have to watch M and M at the Senior Bowl or East-West Shrine game, if they're playing either one. Then combine.
Bill from NYC Posted January 11, 2014 Posted January 11, 2014 >>>>>13 Buffalo Grab Darqueze Dennard Michigan State CB<<<<< Please get him off the list ASAP!!! The Bills would be better off with a guard projected to go in round 3.
808 Posted January 11, 2014 Posted January 11, 2014 2 things. for the people who want a QB in round 1 . If the qb you want gets picked by the bills and he has a similar year to what ej did minus the injuries do you draft another one? year after year until one has a good rookie year? and what if that player has a RG3 type second year? do we keep drafting qb and scrapping the one prior and knee jerk reactions to year by year qb play?? as for the LBs i think mosley is what would match this team the most he's versatile enough to play ILB and OLB and is a 3 down player he and kiko could just be the all time backers he's really good in coverage and the bills nickel package would be nice. i like mack a lot but he doesn't have the coverage ability that mosley has but has a better pass rushing ability than mosley. i think with these two you have to kinda take the homerism out of it for mack if possible and look what the team might need more. the bills just led the league in sacks and broke the single season record for the franchise. if they grade mack out higher I'm all for it but IMO i think they might need another backer to go with kiko like the 49ers have with bowman/willis but if mack or barr is the next coming of LT or something lets do it. i know i am playing both sides of the ball here. sorry
KOKBILLS Posted January 11, 2014 Posted January 11, 2014 >>>>>13 Buffalo Grab Darqueze Dennard Michigan State CB<<<<< Please get him off the list ASAP!!! The Bills would be better off with a guard projected to go in round 3. Don't know much about him yet...But I do know that is one of the worst first names I have ever seen...
billnutinphoenix Posted January 11, 2014 Posted January 11, 2014 Bills need a stud receiving threat (WR or TE)....Also, they need OL....Rounds 1,2,3...OL, WR, TE
Kirby Jackson Posted January 11, 2014 Posted January 11, 2014 (edited) >>>>>13 Buffalo Grab Darqueze Dennard Michigan State CB<<<<< Please get him off the list ASAP!!! The Bills would be better off with a guard projected to go in round 3. I don't think that CB is a big need but I would rather have the top CB in the draft than a 3rd guard. Dennard is a stud even if we don't need him. P.S. If you don't think that the secondary is important please google "Legion of Boom" Edited January 11, 2014 by Kirby Jackson
uncle flap Posted January 11, 2014 Posted January 11, 2014 2 things. for the people who want a QB in round 1 . If the qb you want gets picked by the bills and he has a similar year to what ej did minus the injuries do you draft another one? year after year until one has a good rookie year? and what if that player has a RG3 type second year? do we keep drafting qb and scrapping the one prior and knee jerk reactions to year by year qb play?? as for the LBs i think mosley is what would match this team the most he's versatile enough to play ILB and OLB and is a 3 down player he and kiko could just be the all time backers he's really good in coverage and the bills nickel package would be nice. i like mack a lot but he doesn't have the coverage ability that mosley has but has a better pass rushing ability than mosley. i think with these two you have to kinda take the homerism out of it for mack if possible and look what the team might need more. the bills just led the league in sacks and broke the single season record for the franchise. if they grade mack out higher I'm all for it but IMO i think they might need another backer to go with kiko like the 49ers have with bowman/willis but if mack or barr is the next coming of LT or something lets do it. i know i am playing both sides of the ball here. sorry Re: The QB question, I think those that are advocating considering taking a QB are advocating just that, and nothing more. Drafting another Qb doesn't mean that you automatically bench EJ. It just means that you didn't pass on a Plan B in case EJ doesn't work out. I like EJ, but everyone here has to acknowledge that last year the Bills had to take a QB high, as it was their only reasonable shot at acquiring a franchise QB. So, say we give EJ another year or two, and he doesn't work out; Then what? They are again forced to take a QB in the first. I can only speak for myself, but I think most of those in the "draft a QB" camp agree with this: We aren't saying that they have to draft a QB in the first (or 2nd or 3rd), just that they shouldn't unilaterally dismiss the idea because they've got EJ who could still develop into a bona fide franchise QB. If there's a QB that they like and is the BPA in the sense that they could see him becoming a franchise QB, then I'm all for taking that QB and letting him ride the pine while they find out about EJ. Re the LBs, you might be right about Mosely being the better fit, but I wouldn't be so quick to peg Mack as a slouch in coverage. He's very, very good all around, and I think he could excel at any LB position. I think Mosely can too, but my gut tells me Mack is the superior football player. However, like I said upthread my judgment could be clouded by my UB homerism.
playman Posted January 11, 2014 Posted January 11, 2014 Why? The Bills already have Hughes and Lawson on the outside, and they want to move Kiko to the weak side...Hughes is playing that hybrid 3-4 OLB/4-3 DE in Passing situations, basically rushing the QB most of the time...IMHO the Bills will be looking for a stuffer on the inside first and foremost, and not a hybrid on the outside... well, hughes contract is up after next season and lawson is about 40 and, you can never have too many passrushers
808 Posted January 11, 2014 Posted January 11, 2014 Re: The QB question, I think those that are advocating considering taking a QB are advocating just that, and nothing more. Drafting another Qb doesn't mean that you automatically bench EJ. It just means that you didn't pass on a Plan B in case EJ doesn't work out. I like EJ, but everyone here has to acknowledge that last year the Bills had to take a QB high, as it was their only reasonable shot at acquiring a franchise QB. So, say we give EJ another year or two, and he doesn't work out; Then what? They are again forced to take a QB in the first. I can only speak for myself, but I think most of those in the "draft a QB" camp agree with this: We aren't saying that they have to draft a QB in the first (or 2nd or 3rd), just that they shouldn't unilaterally dismiss the idea because they've got EJ who could still develop into a bona fide franchise QB. If there's a QB that they like and is the BPA in the sense that they could see him becoming a franchise QB, then I'm all for taking that QB and letting him ride the pine while they find out about EJ. Re the LBs, you might be right about Mosely being the better fit, but I wouldn't be so quick to peg Mack as a slouch in coverage. He's very, very good all around, and I think he could excel at any LB position. I think Mosely can too, but my gut tells me Mack is the superior football player. However, like I said upthread my judgment could be clouded by my UB homerism. i think they should try to grab murray later in the draft but to draft a qb within the first 3 rounds you are either not giving ej the year or you are not using the new qb you draft and basically not playing him and wasting the pick for this season. i like mack a lot but has he played inside backer at all? I'm looking at the versatility of mosley and he's above mack in that category. IIRC whaley was saying something about the value of LBs going down a bit and people taking them later in the drafts than the past. i think he was talking about it at the draft after party.
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