B-Man Posted March 27, 2014 Posted March 27, 2014 The Individual Mandate Goes Poof by Abby McCloskey and Tom Miller One by one, the myths of the Affordable Care Act have been revealed. When the curtain on open enrollment falls on March 31, the last remaining big myth of ObamaCare will be fully exposed: The individual mandate has failed. After a last-ditch effort with President Obama himself encouraging "young invincibles" to sign up before the deadline, the administration is scrambling to boost enrollment. On Tuesday, the White House announced that people who applied for coverage on the federal health-insurance exchange will have until mid-April to finish the paperwork. The mandate was supposed to be the administration´s magical elixir for the assorted shortcomings Wall Street Journal Obamacare Faces Judgment And not just in the Hobby Lobby case. by John Fund
B-Man Posted March 27, 2014 Posted March 27, 2014 (edited) "Obama Administration Suffers A Drubbing In Hobby Lobby Arguments." FTA: Justice Kennedy focuses him this way: "Is it your position that part of the compelling interest here is that you have to protect the integrity the operational integrity of the whole Act?" And daringly: "Does that mean the constitutionality of the whole Act has to be examined before we accept your view?" Whoa! Verrilli jokes — "Well, I think it has been examined, Your Honor, is my recollection" — and gets a laugh. But this is no joke, and Kennedy has a lot in mind. He continues: Now, what what kind of constitutional structure do we have if the Congress can give an agency the power to grant or not grant a religious exemption based on what the agency determined? I recognize delegation of powers rules are somewhat more abundant insofar as their enforcement in this Court. But when we have a First Amendment issue of — of this consequence, shouldn't we indicate that it's for the Congress, not the agency to determine that this corporation gets the exemption on that one, and not even for RFRA purposes, for other purposes. This is extremely important. The topic finally becomes the role of HHS, which is making the decisions here, not Congress, and Kennedy is disturbed by the agency making some but not other exemptions. This is a problem quite apart from the RFRA claim for an exemption. There is something structurally awry about this lawmaking. Kennedy observes that the agency's exemptions were given "without reference to the policies of RFRA." So "what were the policies that you were implementing?" Churches got exemptions, and businesses with less than 50 employees got exemptions, and then there were the grandfathered plans. How do you argue a compelling interest in no exemptions when the government has made all those exemptions? Justice Breyer brings up the idea that if the government really does have a compelling interest in covering contraceptive care, it could just pay for that care directly when the exemption is needed. That is, RFRA requires the government, when it is substantially burdening religion and when it does have a compelling interest, to use the least restrictive means of serving that interest. More at link: . Edited March 28, 2014 by B-Man
keepthefaith Posted March 27, 2014 Posted March 27, 2014 As long as the ACA provides free or heavily subsidized coverage to millions, I doubt Obama and co. care a rats ass about rising rates or fewer choices for the majority. Deficits and unisured people won't bother him either.
IDBillzFan Posted March 27, 2014 Posted March 27, 2014 Ladies and gentlemen, you ever-lying progressive left. Fun video of Harry Reid saying Obamacare stories are lies before today saying he never said that. http://youtu.be/nefN-QvOPXY
IDBillzFan Posted March 27, 2014 Posted March 27, 2014 Obama announces today that 6 million people have enrolled in ACA as of today. No one asked and no one knows how many have actually paid...but hey...big number! Big number! ACA is working!!!
Doc Posted March 27, 2014 Posted March 27, 2014 Or how many lacked insurance before. Or how many are healthy.
IDBillzFan Posted March 27, 2014 Posted March 27, 2014 Or how many lacked insurance before. Or how many are healthy. Or how many are young. But other than that...SIX MILLION! I guess they can reinstate the mandates and release the waivers now, right?
B-Man Posted March 27, 2014 Posted March 27, 2014 "Hey, I know we said a lot of stuff, but the important thing is that now we're telling you we succeeded." - Obamacare supporters....(lol) I am astonished by the victory lap. Even if we presume everyone paid and nobody had insurance before, they’re one million short—with a mandate. and given the total lack of data, why is it more ridiculous to presume that nobody has paid than to presume that everybody has paid? You know what should shut up the skeptics? Releasing the data. Know what won’t shut up the skeptics? Berating them for asking questions. But this why they KNOW that they can get away with this CNN eats the whole thing up. You know who else rounded up 6 million people?................................................Too much ?....lol .
boyst Posted March 28, 2014 Posted March 28, 2014 You know who else rounded up 6 million people?................................................Too much ?....lol . hurricane Katrina!?
Keukasmallies Posted March 28, 2014 Posted March 28, 2014 The Harry Reid video should shock me, but, sadly, it just reminds me of the day-to-day low expectations, and disdain, I have for elected officials. What really turns my crank is that we, the voters, return these weasels to office term after term and "give" them vast amounts of money to fuel their deceit and thuggery. Shame on us!
IDBillzFan Posted March 28, 2014 Posted March 28, 2014 "Hey, I know we said a lot of stuff, but the important thing is that now we're telling you we succeeded." - Obamacare supporters....(lol) I am astonished by the victory lap. Even if we presume everyone paid and nobody had insurance before, they’re one million short—with a mandate. and given the total lack of data, why is it more ridiculous to presume that nobody has paid than to presume that everybody has paid? You know what should shut up the skeptics? Releasing the data. Know what won’t shut up the skeptics? Berating them for asking questions. The simple truth is these kind of headlines will have the same affect as when they scream that the unemployment rate has dropped below 7% without explaining why. In the end, people still know misery beyond the numbers, and the misery felt by Obamacare will not stop because of a few headlines. Yesterday's HuffPost headline would make you think Obama was just re-elected in a 49-state landslide. So desperate for anything posing good news... And then this today... only 26% of Americans like Obamacare.
B-Man Posted March 28, 2014 Posted March 28, 2014 Yeah, but those 74% are liars. and .....................................................racists. .
Tiberius Posted March 28, 2014 Posted March 28, 2014 WASHINGTON – As Obamacare sign-ups hit the politically important threshold of 6 million this week, new polling has shown that the public has begun to warm a bit to the controversial law, but opponents continue to care much more about it than supporters. For both sides in the intensely fought argument over the Affordable Care Act, the new data provide encouragement mixed with caution. Supporters of the law can point to a recent Kaiser Foundation survey, which found that over the last two months, opinions about the law have begun to improve. In January, Kaiser’s monthly polling found that opponents outnumbered supporters 50% to 34%. In the latest survey, opinion remained more negative than positive, but the gap had shrunk in half, to 46% to 38%. Critically, approval of the law had increased among its target population – people who lack insurance. Opposition among the uninsured had dropped 11 percentage points since February and approval had increased by 15 percentage points, Kaiser found. That improvement coincided with the start of a major push by the law’s supporters to get people to sign up in advance of the March 31 open-enrollment deadline. Kaiser’s survey also found, as several other polls have, that a significant majority of Americans oppose the idea of repealing Obamacare, as most Republican lawmakers advocate. Almost half of those surveyed (49%) said they wanted Congress to "keep the law in place and work to improve it." Another 10% said Congress should simply leave the law as is. By contrast, about 3 in 10 either wanted the law repealed outright (18%) or repealed and replaced with a Republican alternative (11%). http://www.latimes.com/nation/politics/politicsnow/la-pn-public-warming-obamacare-polls-show-20140327,0,5564230.story#ixzz2xGZ8T5Zu Trending in the right direction
B-Man Posted March 28, 2014 Posted March 28, 2014 Clue: Lying about a situation generally shows a disparity. Deadline Near, Healthcare sign ups show disparities by Sheryl Gay Stolberg and Robert Pear New York Times Key quote from the article... "Federal officials do not know how many of those who selected plans were previously uninsured, or how many actually paid their premiums." Et tu, NYTimes? One Doctor’s Viral Letter Exposes the Harrowing Reality of Obamacare’s ‘War Against Doctors’ by Emily Hulsey Original Article .
keepthefaith Posted March 28, 2014 Posted March 28, 2014 WASHINGTON – As Obamacare sign-ups hit the politically important threshold of 6 million this week, new polling has shown that the public has begun to warm a bit to the controversial law, but opponents continue to care much more about it than supporters. For both sides in the intensely fought argument over the Affordable Care Act, the new data provide encouragement mixed with caution. Supporters of the law can point to a recent Kaiser Foundation survey, which found that over the last two months, opinions about the law have begun to improve. In January, Kaiser’s monthly polling found that opponents outnumbered supporters 50% to 34%. In the latest survey, opinion remained more negative than positive, but the gap had shrunk in half, to 46% to 38%. Critically, approval of the law had increased among its target population – people who lack insurance. Opposition among the uninsured had dropped 11 percentage points since February and approval had increased by 15 percentage points, Kaiser found. That improvement coincided with the start of a major push by the law’s supporters to get people to sign up in advance of the March 31 open-enrollment deadline. Kaiser’s survey also found, as several other polls have, that a significant majority of Americans oppose the idea of repealing Obamacare, as most Republican lawmakers advocate. Almost half of those surveyed (49%) said they wanted Congress to "keep the law in place and work to improve it." Another 10% said Congress should simply leave the law as is. By contrast, about 3 in 10 either wanted the law repealed outright (18%) or repealed and replaced with a Republican alternative (11%). http://www.latimes.c...y#ixzz2xGZ8T5Zu Trending in the right direction Well when you take the teeth out of the law that'll soften the blow. Extending enrollment and eliminating mandates means the law isn't so much the law - for now. Political delays might help dems sidestep the issue for a while but only short term. Obama is simply kicking the can down the road in the truest of DC fashion.
3rdnlng Posted March 28, 2014 Posted March 28, 2014 (edited) WASHINGTON – As Obamacare sign-ups hit the politically important threshold of 6 million this week, new polling has shown that the public has begun to warm a bit to the controversial law, but opponents continue to care much more about it than supporters. For both sides in the intensely fought argument over the Affordable Care Act, the new data provide encouragement mixed with caution. Supporters of the law can point to a recent Kaiser Foundation survey, which found that over the last two months, opinions about the law have begun to improve. In January, Kaiser’s monthly polling found that opponents outnumbered supporters 50% to 34%. In the latest survey, opinion remained more negative than positive, but the gap had shrunk in half, to 46% to 38%. Critically, approval of the law had increased among its target population – people who lack insurance. Opposition among the uninsured had dropped 11 percentage points since February and approval had increased by 15 percentage points, Kaiser found. That improvement coincided with the start of a major push by the law’s supporters to get people to sign up in advance of the March 31 open-enrollment deadline. Kaiser’s survey also found, as several other polls have, that a significant majority of Americans oppose the idea of repealing Obamacare, as most Republican lawmakers advocate. Almost half of those surveyed (49%) said they wanted Congress to "keep the law in place and work to improve it." Another 10% said Congress should simply leave the law as is. By contrast, about 3 in 10 either wanted the law repealed outright (18%) or repealed and replaced with a Republican alternative (11%). http://www.latimes.c...y#ixzz2xGZ8T5Zu Trending in the right direction Also, from your article: On the other hand, the polling also shows that Republican opponents of the law have more intense feelings about it. The Kaiser survey found that a significant majority of those who favor the law said they were "tired of hearing" arguments about it. Not so for the opponents, who, by a narrow margin, were more inclined to say that continued debate over the law was "important for the country." Similarly, a recent Pew Research Center survey found, like Kaiser, that opponents of Obamacare outnumbered supporters (53% to 41% in the Pew survey). But about 4 in 10 Americans "very strongly" disapprove of the law while only about a quarter "very strongly" support it, Pew found. All that plays into how people think about the fall’s midterm election. A recent CBS poll found that 70% of Republican voters were enthusiastic about voting in November; 58% of Democrats were. Pollsters from both parties agree that Obamacare provides one significant reason for that gap. The polling also provides some glimpses into the law’s future. As most surveys have done, Kaiser’s most recent poll showed that the public likes individual parts of the law more than the whole. Major provisions of the law are quite popular, including subsidies to help people buy insurance, expansion of Medicaid, the guarantee that people can’t be denied coverage because of pre-existing medical problems and the rule eliminating out-of-pocket costs for preventive care, Kaiser found. But 40% to 50% of Americans do not know that the law includes each of those provisions. About a third of the uninsured were not aware that the law includes subsidies that could help them buy insurance. The one provision of the law that is best known is its least popular – the requirement that all Americans get insurance. Nearly 80% of Americans know the law includes that mandate; only about a third approve of it. http://www.latimes.c...y#ixzz2xGtxflSV Your source material for the LATimes article states that 60% of the uninsured will not buy insurance or aren't sure if they will. They don't differentiate between the previously long term uninsured or the ones that became uninsured by the ACA. Also, 67% of the uninsured have not tried to get insurance in the last 6 months. With all of this in mind, no conclusion can be made from that source material that would realistically support the LATimes rosy picture stated in the section of the article you posted. It would appear to me that the long term uninsured are not obtaining insurance while the ones made uninsured by the ACA are for the most part obtaining new insurance. Same ole, same ole, except we've added horrendous administration costs and given forced policies on people that are more expensive and ones that don't cover what they want. The "On Your Knees For ObamaCare Group" is dwindling for a reason. Edited March 28, 2014 by 3rdnlng
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted March 28, 2014 Posted March 28, 2014 Ladies and gentlemen, you ever-lying progressive left. Fun video of Harry Reid saying Obamacare stories are lies before today saying he never said that. http://youtu.be/nefN-QvOPXY Haha eat a d*ck Harry.
IDBillzFan Posted March 28, 2014 Posted March 28, 2014 Haha eat a d*ck Harry. People are speculating it might be Alzheimer's now. That's ridiculous, of course, because Harry has a schittload of staffers who, I'm sure, see his speeches before he hits the podium and if he genuinely didn't remember his previous speech, they'd have picked up on that. But hey..okay...I'm game. Harry has Alzheimer's. He should resign right away. I can live with that.
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