B-Man Posted September 22, 2017 Share Posted September 22, 2017 WELL, TO BE FAIR, HE ALSO SPREAD THEM ABOUT HIS OWN HEALTH CARE BILL: Obama spreads untruths about the Graham-Cassidy health bill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keepthefaith Posted September 22, 2017 Share Posted September 22, 2017 What purpose would that serve? Wouldn't it make more sense to have the architects of the two bills in question debate them,? Or at least be a part of the debate. Instead in government we have non-experts both crafting and presenting "solutions" to big problems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keepthefaith Posted September 22, 2017 Share Posted September 22, 2017 Which is why its such a better option to tinker and fix this system than simply blow up the law. There will always being complaining and whining about health care for people to make lists about. So if the GOP makes a new law, it will draw all sorts of criticism and hurt the Republicans and not just regular people. Have at it, I say This "system" should be scrapped. When you really get down into the nitty gritty of all the regulation that surrounds health insurance and health care delivery, the state line limitations, various government entities and departments, government programs and lawyers - the whole mess is truly a cluster you know what. More and more I feel that we should make it illegal for employers to provide health insurance but legal to provide contributions to health savings accounts and let every person insure and fund their own care on their own. Only then will more of the population make maintaining their own health and managing the expense to do so a higher priority. WELL, TO BE FAIR, HE ALSO SPREAD THEM ABOUT HIS OWN HEALTH CARE BILL: Obama spreads untruths about the Graham-Cassidy health bill. He's desperate to keep his "signature legislation" in place. Obama's entire presidency will be wiped out in a couple years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted September 22, 2017 Share Posted September 22, 2017 @NewsRadio930 Arizona @SenJohnMcCain says he's against #GrahamCassidyBill, dashing hopes for GOP leaders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magox Posted September 22, 2017 Share Posted September 22, 2017 There goes that! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDBillzFan Posted September 22, 2017 Share Posted September 22, 2017 There goes that! If John McCain can't get on board with a Lindsey Graham bill, it must either be a bad bill...or McCain is finally going to come out as a Democrat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted September 22, 2017 Share Posted September 22, 2017 If John McCain can't get on board with a Lindsey Graham bill, it must either be a bad bill...or McCain is finally going to come out as a Democrat. I was just thinking, McCain's demonstrating that a Democrat is nothing more than a Republican with a brain tumor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted September 22, 2017 Share Posted September 22, 2017 What purpose would that serve? Wouldn't it make more sense to have the architects of the two bills in question debate them,? Nothing, although I think we know what both sides are already going to say so you mine as well go for the ratings. They could make it pay per view. Anyways....McCain just came out as a no. This "system" should be scrapped. When you really get down into the nitty gritty of all the regulation that surrounds health insurance and health care delivery, the state line limitations, various government entities and departments, government programs and lawyers - the whole mess is truly a cluster you know what. More and more I feel that we should make it illegal for employers to provide health insurance but legal to provide contributions to health savings accounts and let every person insure and fund their own care on their own. Only then will more of the population make maintaining their own health and managing the expense to do so a higher priority. He's desperate to keep his "signature legislation" in place. Obama's entire presidency will be wiped out in a couple years. They had a chance at clean repeal and didn't have the votes. That's the only way they would've wiped out Obama's legacy. The debate has shifted to the left. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magox Posted September 22, 2017 Share Posted September 22, 2017 I don't know, I've just kind of become kind of numb when it comes to politics. I have an interest in policy and like poking fun of the crazies from both wings of the parties but I sincerely don't really care about either party. And since both parties argue from an extremely shallow point devoid of any true substance, over the years I have lost more and more interest when it comes to the craven nature of politics. I really hate stupidity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted September 22, 2017 Share Posted September 22, 2017 I don't know, I've just kind of become kind of numb when it comes to politics. I have an interest in policy and like poking fun of the crazies from both wings of the parties but I sincerely don't really care about either party. And since both parties argue from an extremely shallow point devoid of any true substance, over the years I have lost more and more interest when it comes to the craven nature of politics. I really hate stupidity. We need more people to realize this. The parties have become tools of division, nothing more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nanker Posted September 22, 2017 Share Posted September 22, 2017 If John McCain can't get on board with a Lindsey Graham bill, it must either be a bad bill...or McCain is finally going to come out as a Democrat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALF Posted September 22, 2017 Share Posted September 22, 2017 (edited) There should be a poll here if the Graham-Cassidy bill will pass. I don't know how to do that I would say it fails. McCain just said NO Rand Paul NO need 1 more R no vote Edited September 22, 2017 by ALF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted September 22, 2017 Share Posted September 22, 2017 (edited) Graham-Cassidy status update PAUL: No McCAIN: No COLLINS: Lean no MURKOWSKI: ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ *3 NOs kills the bill So............does media like McCain now again? ...............I'm losing track........... Edited September 22, 2017 by B-Man Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keepthefaith Posted September 22, 2017 Share Posted September 22, 2017 I was just thinking, McCain's demonstrating that a Democrat is nothing more than a Republican with a brain tumor. Has McCain said what changes he would support or is he simply opposed to anything that Trump might sign? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALF Posted September 22, 2017 Share Posted September 22, 2017 *3 NOs kills the bill So............does media like McCain now again? ...............I'm losing track........... As a independent I like McCain Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted September 22, 2017 Share Posted September 22, 2017 (edited) Has McCain said what changes he would support or is he simply opposed to anything that Trump might sign? Here's his statement. https://www.mccain.senate.gov/public/index.cfm/press-releases?ID=1D7F89BB-FF93-41A5-85B8-C87E3CCCC4CE “As I have repeatedly stressed, health care reform legislation ought to be the product of regular order in the Senate. Committees of jurisdiction should mark up legislation with input from all committee members, and send their bill to the floor for debate and amendment. That is the only way we might achieve bipartisan consensus on lasting reform, without which a policy that affects one-fifth of our economy and every single American family will be subject to reversal with every change of administration and congressional majority. “I would consider supporting legislation similar to that offered by my friends Senators Graham and Cassidy were it the product of extensive hearings, debate and amendment. But that has not been the case. Instead, the specter of September 30th budget reconciliation deadline has hung over this entire process. “We should not be content to pass health care legislation on a party-line basis, as Democrats did when they rammed Obamacare through Congress in 2009. If we do so, our success could be as short-lived as theirs when the political winds shift, as they regularly do. The issue is too important, and too many lives are at risk, for us to leave the American people guessing from one election to the next whether and how they will acquire health insurance. A bill of this impact requires a bipartisan approach. “Senators Alexander and Murray have been negotiating in good faith to fix some of the problems with Obamacare. But I fear that the prospect of one last attempt at a strictly Republican bill has left the impression that their efforts cannot succeed. I hope they will resume their work should this last attempt at a partisan solution fail. “I cannot in good conscience vote for the Graham-Cassidy proposal. I believe we could do better working together, Republicans and Democrats, and have not yet really tried. Nor could I support it without knowing how much it will cost, how it will affect insurance premiums, and how many people will be helped or hurt by it. Without a full CBO score, which won’t be available by the end of the month, we won’t have reliable answers to any of those questions. “I take no pleasure in announcing my opposition. Far from it. The bill’s authors are my dear friends, and I think the world of them. I know they are acting consistently with their beliefs and sense of what is best for the country. So am I. “I hope that in the months ahead, we can join with colleagues on both sides of the aisle to arrive at a compromise solution that is acceptable to most of us, and serves the interests of Americans as best we can.” Edited September 22, 2017 by Doc Brown Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted September 22, 2017 Share Posted September 22, 2017 The Republican Party is a cruel joke. It's good for America when they fail Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALF Posted September 22, 2017 Share Posted September 22, 2017 Health coverage is so critical it needs bipartisan support. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magox Posted September 22, 2017 Share Posted September 22, 2017 Health coverage is so critical it needs bipartisan support. Did you support the ACA back in 09 and 10? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALF Posted September 22, 2017 Share Posted September 22, 2017 Did you support the ACA back in 09 and 10? I'll be honest , yes it was a start that needs a lot more work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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