TakeYouToTasker Posted July 28, 2017 Posted July 28, 2017 Jesus krist. Some of the responses to defend trump are wacko. Vote against and have your state threatened? Is this Russia? This has been the case nearly forever in regards to federal leverage over the states. It's how the federal government brings states in line with the central government. Have you always had a problem with this, or is this something new?
ALF Posted July 28, 2017 Posted July 28, 2017 FOR GODS SAKE THINK OF THE CHILDREN! stop it , this is serious
boyst Posted July 28, 2017 Posted July 28, 2017 Charlie Gard has passed away RIP little guy https://townhall.com/tipsheet/christinerousselle/2017/07/28/charlie-gard-has-passed-away-n2358959 who is he and why do we car3? I've seen his name before. But don't care to figure it out
Azalin Posted July 28, 2017 Posted July 28, 2017 Say what you want about The ACA's failures, it was one party"s misguided attempt to help out the health system. They weren't trying to help anything, they were trying to get their hooks into an entire industry that was screwed up due to their decades of meddling, oversight, and regulation. If they were indeed trying to actually do some good, then they probably wouldn't have had to pass the legislation in order to know what was in it.
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted July 28, 2017 Posted July 28, 2017 They weren't trying to help anything, they were trying to get their hooks into an entire industry that was screwed up due to their decades of meddling, oversight, and regulation. If they were indeed trying to actually do some good, then they probably wouldn't have had to pass the legislation in order to know what was in it. You know it was meant to destroy the insurance business.
DC Tom Posted July 28, 2017 Posted July 28, 2017 They weren't trying to help anything, they were trying to get their hooks into an entire industry that was screwed up due to their decades of meddling, oversight, and regulation. If they were indeed trying to actually do some good, then they probably wouldn't have had to pass the legislation in order to know what was in it. I tend to think of it as what happens when good will intersects with massive ignorance, and support that opinion with the simple observation that the creators of the ACA still don't know the difference between "health care" and "health insurance." That, combined with the standard Democratic practice of writing mammothly dense and monolithic legislation that throws money at anyone and everyone who looks like they might consider voting Democrat in the next election.
Taro T Posted July 28, 2017 Posted July 28, 2017 They weren't trying to help anything, they were trying to get their hooks into an entire industry that was screwed up due to their decades of meddling, oversight, and regulation. If they were indeed trying to actually do some good, then they probably wouldn't have had to pass the legislation in order to know what was in it. Well, in fairness, Pelosi's the one that said that. Pretty sure she needs to pass gas to know what she ate for dinner. Still amazed anyone that stupid was the Speaker of the House.
/dev/null Posted July 29, 2017 Posted July 29, 2017 who is he and why do we car3? I've seen his name before. But don't care to figure it out A seventh trimester abortion
PastaJoe Posted July 29, 2017 Posted July 29, 2017 Well, in fairness, Pelosi's the one that said that. Pretty sure she needs to pass gas to know what she ate for dinner. Still amazed anyone that stupid was the Speaker of the House. Herding cats takes a smart person to accomplish, something Mitch McConnell has yet to learn.
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted July 29, 2017 Posted July 29, 2017 Think it's time for trump to rescind the congressional exemption from the aca. Force those useless leeches into the system they so desperately want to maintain.
Doc Brown Posted July 29, 2017 Posted July 29, 2017 They weren't trying to help anything, they were trying to get their hooks into an entire industry that was screwed up due to their decades of meddling, oversight, and regulation. If they were indeed trying to actually do some good, then they probably wouldn't have had to pass the legislation in order to know what was in it. Do people forget the concept of the ACA was somewhat based on a Republican health plan to counter Hillary's efforts on health reform in the early 90's? The main crux of that bill included an individual mandate, ban on insurance companies denying people with preexisting conditions, voucher program for the poor, and standardized benefits. The employer mandate and the medicaid expansion wasn't in there, but the concept of ACA wasn't just thought up in some Democratic think tank. It's always amused me over the years hearing Republicans calling Obama a socialist because of the ACA when it was partly their idea.
grinreaper Posted July 29, 2017 Posted July 29, 2017 Do people forget the concept of the ACA was somewhat based on a Republican health plan to counter Hillary's efforts on health reform in the early 90's? The main crux of that bill included an individual mandate, ban on insurance companies denying people with preexisting conditions, voucher program for the poor, and standardized benefits. The employer mandate and the medicaid expansion wasn't in there, but the concept of ACA wasn't just thought up in some Democratic think tank. It's always amused me over the years hearing Republicans calling Obama a socialist because of the ACA when it was partly their idea. I believe that was a trial balloon floated by The Heritage Foundation.
ExiledInIllinois Posted July 29, 2017 Posted July 29, 2017 what !@#$ are you talking about nerd? Seriously, that's the gayest. **** on this thread in 47 minutes. Talking about whay ingathered was game of thrones? Only sissy fairy pole smokers watch that ****. Get out of the house and go do **** Somebody fill me in. What did BF reference?
Azalin Posted July 29, 2017 Posted July 29, 2017 You know it was meant to destroy the insurance business. I believe that was a major part of it, yes. Do people forget the concept of the ACA was somewhat based on a Republican health plan to counter Hillary's efforts on health reform in the early 90's? The main crux of that bill included an individual mandate, ban on insurance companies denying people with preexisting conditions, voucher program for the poor, and standardized benefits. The employer mandate and the medicaid expansion wasn't in there, but the concept of ACA wasn't just thought up in some Democratic think tank. It's always amused me over the years hearing Republicans calling Obama a socialist because of the ACA when it was partly their idea. There were also comparisons drawn to Governor Romney's state health care legislation. For what it's worth, I'm okay with individual states implementing programs like that if they wish. I prefer to keep governments out of industries, and I consider health care and health insurance to be two completely separate industries, and I am 100% against the federal government taking over either one.
Taro T Posted July 29, 2017 Posted July 29, 2017 Herding cats takes a smart person to accomplish, something Mitch McConnell has yet to learn. Now we know you're just trolling. She's a "special" girl alright. "Natural gas is not a fossil fuel." "The Catholic church has no position on abortion." Both of which were uttered on MtP. It takes a very special person to utter that level of stupidity.
boyst Posted July 29, 2017 Posted July 29, 2017 Somebody fill me in. What did BF reference? a bunch of stuff from lord of the rings or the hobbit or one of those fairy tale things
Tiberius Posted July 29, 2017 Posted July 29, 2017 Now we know you're just trolling. She's a "special" girl alright. "Natural gas is not a fossil fuel." "The Catholic church has no position on abortion." Both of which were uttered on MtP. It takes a very special person to utter that level of stupidity. All politicians make gaffes. How long ago was she speaker and you are still butt hurt over her? Get some ointment man! Her signature achievement still stands and his helping millions
Magox Posted July 29, 2017 Posted July 29, 2017 I believe that was a major part of it, yes. Even under the form of single payer form of health insurance that is being pushed by the progressives which is Medicare-for-all, there would still be a major role for the private insurance industry. Medicare is very seldomly a stand-alone form of health insurance. The vast majority of people on Medicare are on either Medicare Advantage or Medicare supplement plans. Advantage for lower to middle income earners who go for the cheap premiums, higher deductible typically smaller HMO networks and the Medicare supplements for Middle to higher income folks who have access to anyone who accepts Medicare throughout the country with no deductibles and copays with higher premiums. The private insurance industry is still very heavily involved with the Medicare business. I suspect that the biggest issue you would see with the Medicare-for-all aside of the HUGE budget busting costs and additional taxes that I would assume everyone who works would have to pay, is the logistical nightmare and how many hospitals, doctors and medical providers would hate the new reimbursement rates. I wouldn't be surprised to see two other forms of healthcare being provided. Concierge medicine which already exists would probably start becoming a lot more popular. Where a Medical provider and the patient have an agreement where the patient pays the Provider on a retainer basis. They cut out the middle man. And still some private insurers would still provide regular health insurance that of course would have higher reimbursement rates, where they would have access to higher quality doctors who decided to forgo accepting Medicare. The Democrats already have their sights set on Medicare-for-all, even leadership is talking about it. And since the Democrats already won the argument with the American public that government should play a role in the expansion of coverage and that the Republicans have squandered their opportunity, it's just a matter of time before Medicare-for-all becomes the law of the land.
Benjamin Franklin Posted July 29, 2017 Posted July 29, 2017 (edited) What he said. The Medicare reimbursement rates already drive reimbursements. The practicality of this change is not that hard. It's not what I "want" by any means but it does seem inevitable and better than the kluge we are in now. I used a concierge primary doctor for years. Was awesome and didn't cost much. Edited July 29, 2017 by Benjamin Franklin
row_33 Posted July 29, 2017 Posted July 29, 2017 How many people has Obamacare newly picked up the tab for $300,000 for cancer drugs and treatment than before????
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