Koko78 Posted July 12, 2017 Posted July 12, 2017 So do you think republicans will keep control of Congress in 2018 and 2020 if broken promises are normal ? How many desperate people voted for Trump because of his healthcare promises ? I have health insurance but I have empathy for the working poor who earn too much to qualify for medicaid but can't afford regular insurance. With the stupidity the democrats are spouting on a daily basis turning off most of their base, it's possible (albeit unlikely) the Republicans will in 2018. I wonder who they will find to blame then. Could be fun!
ALF Posted July 12, 2017 Posted July 12, 2017 With the stupidity the democrats are spouting on a daily basis turning off most of their base, it's possible (albeit unlikely) the Republicans will in 2018. I wonder who they will find to blame then. Could be fun! 2018 election will be very interesting to say the least.
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted July 12, 2017 Posted July 12, 2017 So can Trump and a republican Congress fix health care ? Apparently not. But not exactly a surprise.
DC Tom Posted July 12, 2017 Posted July 12, 2017 With the stupidity the democrats are spouting on a daily basis turning off most of their base, it's possible (albeit unlikely) the Republicans will in 2018. I wonder who they will find to blame then. Could be fun! Not that Republicans aren't turning of their base as well. 2018 could have a turnout of <5% at this rate.
IDBillzFan Posted July 13, 2017 Posted July 13, 2017 How many desperate people voted for Trump because of his healthcare promises ? About the same number of desperate people who voted for Hillary because she promised to provide free college to anyone earning less than $125K/year. Obamacare didn't get Trump elected. Congress, sure, but Trump? Pick another broken promise. Trump got elected because after eight years of being a called a slovenly, lazy, stupid, Islamophobic racist after twice electing a black man as POTUS, middle America had no appetite to spend the next four being told they also hate women.
row_33 Posted July 13, 2017 Posted July 13, 2017 About the same number of desperate people who voted for Hillary because she promised to provide free college to anyone earning less than $125K/year. Obamacare didn't get Trump elected. Congress, sure, but Trump? Pick another broken promise. Trump got elected because after eight years of being a called a slovenly, lazy, stupid, Islamophobic racist after twice electing a black man as POTUS, middle America had no appetite to spend the next four being told they also hate women. People who studied and work hard for a living refuse to apologize for their accomplishments, calling them racists and despicable is killing the Dems.
IDBillzFan Posted July 13, 2017 Posted July 13, 2017 People who studied and work hard for a living refuse to apologize for their accomplishments, calling them racists and despicable is killing the Dems. Yes, but, y'know...RUSSIA!!!
Tiberius Posted July 13, 2017 Posted July 13, 2017 New GOP "healthcare" bill is out in the senate. Still slashes Medicaid brutally to shower more wealth on the poor suffering wealthy
Doc Brown Posted July 13, 2017 Posted July 13, 2017 New GOP "healthcare" bill is out in the senate. Still slashes Medicaid brutally to shower more wealth on the poor suffering wealthy Yeah, but it keeps most of Obamacare in place which is all I really care about with the GOP dominating all three branches. Mainly, you can't be denied for having preexisting conditions. If you're a healthy 20 or 30 something and you don't want to purchase insurance you don't have to pay a fine now. Just be ready to go bankrupt if life throws you a medical curve ball. The cuts on Medicaid are pretty minor and based on the right's economic theory that they're going to get people off medicaid by giving the rich and businesses lower tax rates. The idea being they will create more jobs and getting people off the welfare rolls (which what Medicaid really is).
Tiberius Posted July 13, 2017 Posted July 13, 2017 Yeah, but it keeps most of Obamacare in place which is all I really care about with the GOP dominating all three branches. Mainly, you can't be denied for having preexisting conditions. If you're a healthy 20 or 30 something and you don't want to purchase insurance you don't have to pay a fine now. Just be ready to go bankrupt if life throws you a medical curve ball. The cuts on Medicaid are pretty minor and based on the right's economic theory that they're going to get people off medicaid by giving the rich and businesses lower tax rates. The idea being they will create more jobs and getting people off the welfare rolls (which what Medicaid really is). The cuts in Medicaid are not minor to those many millions who are losing health insurance. Its the biggest part of the plan. It's a real big deal. And the idea that the tax cuts will lead to good paying jobs that provide benefits is bunk, you know, right?
B-Man Posted July 14, 2017 Posted July 14, 2017 Jake TapperVerified account @jaketapper 3h3 hours ago #URGENT: A British judge will allow US physician Michio Hirano to examine Charlie Gard in London early next week. A judge will *allow* a doctor to examine a patient.......................great
ALF Posted July 14, 2017 Posted July 14, 2017 Kasich said the healthcare provided by Medicaid is designed to help sick and poor people get well and get jobs. "Everything we're talking about now, getting people healthy, giving them healthcare, is designed to get them to work," Kasich said. "It's designed to give them an opportunity to have a better life." The Senate bill aims to reduce government-paid healthcare benefits, give more power to states and cut taxes for some http://www.cleveland.com/open/index.ssf/2017/06/ohio_gov_john_kasich_criticize.html Another reason why I supported Kasich for President over Clinton and Trump.
Azalin Posted July 14, 2017 Posted July 14, 2017 Regardless of whatever winds up being passed, lawmakers can not be allowed to exempt themselves from it like they did with the ACA. It's obscene that they're allowed to impose legislation on all of us while exempting themselves from it. Besides, they've got no real skin in the game, their only motivation is altruism.* *
bilzfancy Posted July 15, 2017 Posted July 15, 2017 Get the damn government out of health care altogether
Tiberius Posted July 15, 2017 Posted July 15, 2017 Pence telling more lies “I know Governor Kasich isn’t with us, but I suspect that he’s very troubled to know that in Ohio alone, nearly 60,000 disabled citizens are stuck on waiting lists, leaving them without the care they need for months or even years,” said Pence. The waiting lists Pence referred to apply to Medicaid’s home and community-based services, and have not been affected by the program’s expansion under the ACA. States have long had waiting lists for these services, and the Henry J. Kaiser Family Foundation’s executive vice president, Diane Rowland, noted that waiting lists in non-expansion states are often longer than in expansion states, which currently receive a 95 percent federal match for their newly covered beneficiaries. Kasich spokesman Jon Keeling said in an interview that Pence’s suggestion that 60,000 disabled Ohioans remain on waiting lists “is not accurate,” adding that to suggest Medicaid expansion hurt the state’s developmentally disabled “system is false, as it is just the opposite of what actually happened.” https://www.washingtonpost.com/powerpost/kasich-joins-ranks-of-gop-governors-opposed-to-new-senate-health-bill/2017/07/14/1b158842-68a4-11e7-a1d7-9a32c91c6f40_story.html?hpid=hp_hp-top-table-main_healthcare-620pm%3Ahomepage%2Fstory&utm_term=.91389e12531b
Doc Brown Posted July 15, 2017 Posted July 15, 2017 Insurance companies, doctor representatives, and hospitals have all come out against the Cruz amendment. They're usually silent. That's because premiums will skyrocket for those who either have preexisting conditions or those that will develop them as younger and healthier people can buy bare bone policies. Also, if you buy a bare bone policy that doesn't cover much except primary care visits, you have to wait 6 months if life throws you a curve ball in order to purchase a plan that covers hospitalizations and other essential health benefits. Get ready for more bankruptcies due to medical costs like you had before the ACA.
Boatdrinks Posted July 15, 2017 Posted July 15, 2017 New GOP "healthcare" bill is out in the senate. Still slashes Medicaid brutally to shower more wealth on the poor suffering wealthy You mean attempts to bring Medicaid's definition of " poor" a bit closer to what is was before Barack expanded it?
Tiberius Posted July 15, 2017 Posted July 15, 2017 You mean attempts to bring Medicaid's definition of " poor" a bit closer to what is was before Barack expanded it? Being sick or hurt can make you poor real quick
Boatdrinks Posted July 15, 2017 Posted July 15, 2017 Get the damn government out of health care altogether First, get employers out of healthcare. All healthcare benefits are converted to wages immediately. Healthcare is purchased by all on the open market, tax credit on your 1040. High deductible bare bones plans available to singles/ couples w/ out dependents who sign a right to die waiver from treatment. Couples w/ dependents must have " full coverage" ( kind of like a financed vehicle) until dependents are age 18. This way there is no cheating, everyone pays for their own. Then there will truly be a " free market " in health insurance, and employers will be free of the burden caused by the current failed system. The system now in place is broken because of demographic change in the US. We no longer live in a family structure where one person works and the other stays home and raises the kids. Companies are now beholden mostly to shareholders, not their employees. Execs are paid hundreds or thousands of times higher salaries than employees, not 10, 30 , or 50 times more. The world has changed, and what once was a decent idea for healthcare is now one that costs too much and companies cannot or will not keep up. People have kids that they cannot afford. The health insurance requirement could ensure that they " pay to play" if they want them and not just exepect the government ( i.e. The taxpayers) to pick up their expense. Free up the market by making it truly individual, and costs should come down. Being sick or hurt can make you poor real quick That's not the point. Putting more people on Medicare by simply redifining what " poor is" doesn't solve healthcare cost issues. Just puts more on the government tit.
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