HappyDays Posted June 27, 2017 Posted June 27, 2017 What better way to galvanize your side than to say the other side is literally going to kill you? A trick as old as politics.
Nanker Posted June 27, 2017 Posted June 27, 2017 What better way to galvanize your side than to say the other side is literally going to kill you? A trick as old as politics. It goes back to at least the time of Aristotle.
IDBillzFan Posted June 27, 2017 Posted June 27, 2017 Every other industrialzed nation has a HC structure that provides HC to all its citizens for half the price...with better results.... You keep saying this, and I keep asking you to clarify, but every time I ask, you run away, which (to be honest) is a more desirable response. But I'll ask again: please show us precisely how these other industrialized nations provides health care to all of it's citizens. In what way does it deliver this health care? Do they go door-to-door? Be specific. Then show us the metrics by which you believe they have better results. Prepare to show your work. Read the questions carefully. Answer them purposefully. Prove your point with facts. We can wait. Or disappear again. We can't wait.
unbillievable Posted June 27, 2017 Posted June 27, 2017 Correlation or causation from being married to you? . Every other industrialzed nation has a HC structure that provides HC to all its citizens for half the price...with better results....but keep those Pelosi takes coming because they are so FRESH This argument get's brought up a lot and it's an incredibly naive point of view. It's the same as asking why every other industrialized nation can get by with no aircraft carriers while the US needs 18 of them. It's because the US is subsidizing the entire world so all these free-loading countries won't have to spend money on it. There's a reason why the US releases 4X more medical patents for worldwide use than the rest of the world COMBINED.
row_33 Posted June 27, 2017 Posted June 27, 2017 (edited) Again, many thanks to the US for its charitable work in defending and research. It's been excellent living in the satellite country of Canada. what?? wait 10 seconds before the next post, oh the humanity... Edited June 27, 2017 by row_33
DC Tom Posted June 27, 2017 Posted June 27, 2017 This argument get's brought up a lot and it's an incredibly naive point of view. It's the same as asking why every other industrialized nation can get by with no aircraft carriers while the US needs 18 of them. It's because the US is subsidizing the entire world so all these free-loading countries won't have to spend money on it. There's a reason why the US releases 4X more medical patents for worldwide use than the rest of the world COMBINED. Ten carriers. Not eighteen. Ten. And don't give me that "'phibs with flight decks are technically carriers." They're not, even if they forgot to put a well deck on the new LHAs.
unbillievable Posted June 27, 2017 Posted June 27, 2017 (edited) Ten carriers. Not eighteen. Ten. And don't give me that "'phibs with flight decks are technically carriers." They're not, even if they forgot to put a well deck on the new LHAs. I didn't want to leave out the nations with helipads and ski jumps. AT least they're trying... (I know the fleet cycles between 10 to 13 lately... but there have been talks of retrofitting some for training and drones, including the old diesel fleet.) Edited June 27, 2017 by unbillievable
Big Gun Posted June 27, 2017 Posted June 27, 2017 Ten carriers. Not eighteen. Ten. And don't give me that "'phibs with flight decks are technically carriers." They're not, even if they forgot to put a well deck on the new LHAs. Yup and when the Ford is up and running sometime this year we'll have 11.
Doc Brown Posted June 27, 2017 Posted June 27, 2017 McConnell "threatening" that if bill fails, he will have to work with the Democrats. What a concept. Work for the entire country! That's the equivalent of Trump threatening to release tapes on Comey. McConnell was the face of Republican obstructionism under Obama and now he's trying to convince GOP Senators he's going to threaten to work with Democrats. LOL. Vote on the Crime against Humanity bill is to be put off till after a few more Republicans can be convinced to support it This bill barely qualifies as Obamacare lite. That hyperbole is ridiculous. Every other industrialzed nation has a HC structure that provides HC to all its citizens for half the price...with better results....but keep those Pelosi takes coming because they are so FRESH What did you just watch a Michael Moore documentary or something? I'd love to see the numbers on that.
B-Man Posted June 27, 2017 Posted June 27, 2017 This bill barely qualifies as Obamacare lite. That hyperbole is ridiculous. ............It's all he can do Doc What did you just watch a Michael Moore documentary or something? I'd love to see the numbers on that.....But,but....Baskin repeats it over and over......that makes it true.. .
IDBillzFan Posted June 27, 2017 Posted June 27, 2017 What did you just watch a Michael Moore documentary or something? I'd love to see the numbers on that. He has no numbers on that. He care barely keep up logging in and out of his Tiberius username in order to post this ridiculous drivel. He just pops in, makes that moronic statement, then logs back in as Tiberius to add more moronic statements. They're flip sides of the same lobotomy.
B-Man Posted June 27, 2017 Posted June 27, 2017 (edited) Barbarism Isn’t What It Used to Be by Rich Lowrey Despite Democrats’ continued hyperbole, the Republicans’ Medicaid reform is not unreasonable. The Brezhnev Doctrine said that the Soviet empire could only expand and never give back its gains. A domestic version of the doctrine has long applied to the welfare state — and never so brazenly as in the debate over the Republican health-care bill. Its reforms to Medicaid are portrayed as provisions to all but forcibly expel the elderly from nursing homes and send poor children to the workhouse. Bernie Sanders has called the bill “barbaric,” a word that once was reserved for, say, chattel slavery or suttee, but is now considered appropriate for a change in the Medicaid funding formula. The Republican health bills have two major elements on Medicaid: rolling back the enhanced funding for the Obama Medicaid expansion, and over time instituting a new per capita funding formula for the program. . . . . . . .The horror. The Democrats now make it sound as if the Obama expansion is part of the warp and woof of Medicaid. In fact, it was a departure from the norm in the program, which since its inception has been, quite reasonably, limited to poor children, pregnant women, the disabled, and the ailing elderly. Obamacare changed it to make a priority of covering able-bodied adults. {snip} So, perversely, Obamacare has a more generous federal match for the able-bodied enrollees in Medicaid than for its more vulnerable populations. “This higher federal matching rate,” writes health-care analyst Doug Badger, “allows states to leverage more federal money per state dollar spent on a nondisabled adult with $15,000 in earnings than on a part-time minimum wage worker with developmental disabilities who earns barely half that amount.” According to Badger, West Virginia received seven times as much federal money for spending $1 on an able-bodied adult than for spending $1 on a disabled person. This obviously makes no sense, and the Senate health-care bill phases out the enhanced funding over several years. But it doesn’t end the expanded Medicaid eligibility for the able-bodied. And a refundable tax credit will be available for low-income people that is meant to pick up any slack from Medicaid. This is hardly Social Darwinism. The other, longer-term change in the House and Senate bills is moving to a per capita funding formula for Medicaid, with the Senate bill ratcheting the formula down to a per capita rate pegged to inflation — in 2025. Maybe this will prove too stringent, but it used to be a matter of bipartisan consensus that the current structure of Medicaid creates an incentive for heedless growth in the program.Read more at: http://www.nationalreview.com/article/448994/medicaid-expansion-ahca-democrats-rhetoric-remains-hyperbolic Edited June 27, 2017 by B-Man
Tiberius Posted June 27, 2017 Posted June 27, 2017 . LOL. This bill barely qualifies as Obamacare lite. That hyperbole is ridiculous. t. Not sure how you can say that. 22 million off of their insurance. and yes I remember you said you had a better measure of this bill than the CBO. I'll believe them though, instead of your estimate.
DC Tom Posted June 27, 2017 Posted June 27, 2017 Vote on the Crime against Humanity bill is to be put off till after a few more Republicans can be convinced to support it Y'know...It's a recognized position of international law that the use of violence is morally appropriate when opposing crimes against humanity. So either show some guts, put your money where your mouth is, and come up to DC and shoot some Republican legislators. Or shut the !@#$ up.
Tiberius Posted June 27, 2017 Posted June 27, 2017 Y'know...It's a recognized position of international law that the use of violence is morally appropriate when opposing crimes against humanity. So either show some guts, put your money where your mouth is, and come up to DC and shoot some Republican legislators. Or shut the !@#$ up. Don't ever try and practice law. You would be really bad at it. Though I'm sure your obfuscations to a jury might make a good laugh, but any decent lawyer would just cut you to threads
DC Tom Posted June 27, 2017 Posted June 27, 2017 I didn't want to leave out the nations with helipads and ski jumps. AT least they're trying... (I know the fleet cycles between 10 to 13 lately... but there have been talks of retrofitting some for training and drones, including the old diesel fleet.) Actually, I was referring to the current vogue of counting LHAs and LHDs in the gator navy as "American carriers." Which is where the number "eighteen" usually comes from. I'll grant some navies have "carriers," such as Japan's Hyuga-class or Thailand's royal yacht...but there's far more to a carrier than a flat deck and airplanes.
ExiledInIllinois Posted June 28, 2017 Posted June 28, 2017 Ouch! "History suggests that presidents who have governed successfully have been both revered and feared. But Republican fixtures in Washington are beginning to conclude that Trump may be neither, despite his mix of bravado, threats and efforts to schmooze with GOP lawmakers." This president is the first president in our history who has neither political nor military experience, and thus it has been a challenge to him to learn how to interact with Congress and learn how to push his agenda better, said Sen. Susan Collins (R-Maine), who opposes the current health-care bill."
row_33 Posted June 28, 2017 Posted June 28, 2017 That's why people voted for Trump, they are fed up with politics as normal. Very few Presidents were able to get both sides of the aisle to work with him, except in times of war (real war) and other emergencies.
B-Man Posted June 28, 2017 Posted June 28, 2017 ANDREW MCCARTHY: ‘Progressive’ Washington’s Obamacare Train Wreck.
Doc Brown Posted June 28, 2017 Posted June 28, 2017 That's why people voted for Trump, they are fed up with politics as normal. Very few Presidents were able to get both sides of the aisle to work with him, except in times of war (real war) and other emergencies. Yeah. Looks like Trump is your typical president then so far. Surprise surprise. The best thing Trump can do is not to do any interviews when it comes to healthcare because he always seems to shoot himself in the foot as he clearly has little understanding of the bill proposed by the Senate.
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