B-Man Posted June 22, 2017 Share Posted June 22, 2017 (edited) HMM: Roy has been one of ObamaCare’s sharpest and best-informed critics, so I can’t wait to read the fleshed-out version just as soon as he publishes it. -- Stephen Green https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/268213/ Seems just like the usual accounting tricks to me. We do have 4 announced Senators against it (doesn't go nearly far enough) so there will have to be changes made obviously Four GOP senators say they can't vote for Republican health care bill ... www.cnn.com/ As was discussed when dissecting the unimpressive House AHCA, the Senate GOP bill is also limited in what it can accomplish for one reason — reconciliation. Senate Republicans are relying on the budget reconciliation mechanism to pass their first health care overhaul with a simple majority vote. but it is essentially just watered down Obamacare . Edited June 22, 2017 by B-Man Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grinreaper Posted June 23, 2017 Share Posted June 23, 2017 ever see me go around that trucker or him about **** himself when he about hits me because he has more to lose with his cdl than I do You should lay off sniffing cow dung. Playing chicken with an 18 wheeler isn't very bright. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted June 23, 2017 Share Posted June 23, 2017 ever see me go around that trucker or him about **** himself when he about hits me because he has more to lose with his cdl than I do the CBO had to look at it one thousand times to find a way they could claim it had support etc. And revisionists saying the aca was only the stepping stone to move in the right direction now a days The history of failure with it was doomed from the start as there was not support. History will praise Obama for this just as history spoke highly of the new deal. And the tva and all those ridiculous bull **** things Probably. Just looking at the current bill the two popular provisions of the ACA (kids on til 26 and insurance companies not being able to deny people with preexisting conditions) are well intact. If they pass Obamacare lite it's going to be the Republicans bill and they'll be blamed if it fails. The logical next step will be single payer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
/dev/null Posted June 23, 2017 Share Posted June 23, 2017 Probably. Just looking at the current bill the two popular provisions of the ACA (kids on til 26 and insurance companies not being able to deny people with preexisting conditions) are well intact. If they pass Obamacare lite it's going to be the Republicans bill and they'll be blamed if it fails. The logical next step will be single payer. Anytime I hear somebody try to say how 26 is still a kid I direct them to read up on Dick Winters Then when they giggle at the name Dick I ask them if they've seen Band of Brothers https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Winters 26 is not a kid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted June 23, 2017 Share Posted June 23, 2017 Anytime I hear somebody try to say how 26 is still a kid I direct them to read up on Dick Winters Then when they giggle at the name Dick I ask them if they've seen Band of Brothers https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Winters 26 is not a kid I just assume anybody younger than me is a kid at his point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unbillievable Posted June 23, 2017 Share Posted June 23, 2017 It hasn't been tried with a public option yet so I wouldn't jump right into single payer. It is strange that the states hit hardest by the ACA premiums and are losing insurance providers to one or zero are Republican run states. It's probably because 75% of the states are red. (thanks Obama). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted June 23, 2017 Share Posted June 23, 2017 It's probably because 75% of the states are red. (thanks Obama). 66%. Alaska has an Independent governor. It's just odd to me that of the 16 states Democrats control only North Carolina has more than 50% of counties who have only one insurer. Meanwhile, it looks like 6 Republican run states will have one (and a few cases zero insurers in certain counties) and account for most of the 1/3 of counties with only one (and in some cases zero) providers. I don't know the reason for this. More rural states maybe. Anyways, Dems should be thrilled if the Republicans pass this bill as is. The Medicaid cuts don't take effect until 2021 and a lot can happen between now and then. The darn Tea Party can see right through Obamacare lite though so I'm guessing the bill will get worse for Democrats when passed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted June 23, 2017 Share Posted June 23, 2017 Disabled people held a noisy protest outside Mitch Mcconnell office and were arrested. The cuts in Medicaid will hurt these people very much. http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2017/06/police-remove-disabled-protesters-outside-mitch-mcconnells-office/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TH3 Posted June 23, 2017 Share Posted June 23, 2017 Every other OECD country has a HC structure/system/format/method to get HC to their citizens from cradle to grave with better results for half the cost of what we do.... This is a step away from that bar....GOP is bankrupt.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted June 23, 2017 Share Posted June 23, 2017 Every other OECD country has a HC structure/system/format/method to get HC to their citizens from cradle to grave with better results for half the cost of what we do.... This is a step away from that bar....GOP is bankrupt.... But $7000 deductibles make people more personally responsible when they are sick and dying Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted June 23, 2017 Share Posted June 23, 2017 It really depends on how the subsidies are distributed and the flexibility that will be given to the states to consider what will be QUALIFIED health plans. If they can come up with high deductible plans with doctor, urgent care, ER room and lab testing copays with wellness visits, then you could conceivably see lots of people who were eventually phased out of Medicaid obtain these sort of plans for a next to nothing price with the subsidy. Medicaid is too benefit rich in my opinion. Sure they have limited doctor networks but it's essentially a gold plated benefit plan, at virtually NO COST to the benificiary, whereas folks in the middle class often times have deductibles of a few thousand bucks paying hundreds of bucks a month. That isn't fair. So I think the idea of taking a little away from Medicaid with the option of those folks now getting a plan not as benefit rich as their Medicaid plan at little to no cost is a lot more fair. It's never going to be "fair." People that are poor are never going to be able to afford many of the health care costs. Is it "fair" that a disabled person gets funding--that they can never repay--that enables them to leave their homes? The sick no matter their income level will "unfairly" benefit from government help on healthcare. The healthy get screwed in paying for something they don't use. You argument is basically the main point turned on its head. Yes, the poor need government help with health care, and you argue that since they can't afford it that its unfair that resources go to them. So, it's fair that they do without? And since both bills massively cut funding, there is no way the subsides will make up for the loss of medicaid, imo. Though I see people are arguing that somehow they will. Older and sicker people will pay more Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDBillzFan Posted June 23, 2017 Share Posted June 23, 2017 Every other OECD country has a HC structure/system/format/method to get HC to their citizens from cradle to grave with better results for half the cost of what we do.... Just out of curiosity, how does every other OECD country get heath care to their citizens? Do they deliver it in a little pizza delivery-like van, or is it more like Singapore where they deliver your KFC on a bike? Also, since Mexico is an OECD country, tell us: if Mexico is so much better at getting great HC to its people, why do they all cram themselves in minivans and put their lives on the line to come to America? I mean, to hear you tell it, we should be climbing walls to get to Mexico! Lastly, please explain (1) what you mean by 'better results,' (2) how do you measure those results, and (3) what studies support those results? We'll wait. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted June 23, 2017 Share Posted June 23, 2017 66%. Alaska has an Independent governor. It's just odd to me that of the 16 states Democrats control only North Carolina has more than 50% of counties who have only one insurer. Meanwhile, it looks like 6 Republican run states will have one (and a few cases zero insurers in certain counties) and account for most of the 1/3 of counties with only one (and in some cases zero) providers. I don't know the reason for this. More rural states maybe. Anyways, Dems should be thrilled if the Republicans pass this bill as is. The Medicaid cuts don't take effect until 2021 and a lot can happen between now and then. The darn Tea Party can see right through Obamacare lite though so I'm guessing the bill will get worse for Democrats when passed. north Carolina is going to be yuge in 2020 Mccrory got ousted because of what I figured will be the same factor as what trump will lose out on and what I thought may happen in ga06. Tons of media on how unhappy everyone is with the gov. How nothing is working. How its all the blame of mcrory. How outside interests and other states hate us. All of that and peer pressure. Trust me. No one in our state is aware of what Roy cooper is doing. He is worse than Bev Purdue and we are struggling economically where we were soaring just 2-3 months ago. Cooper will win reelection unless Dan Forrest the Lt gov can work his way up. Cooper was a terrific AG until the end when he used the pressure of outside interests to oppose the state legislature with house bill 2. He flip flopped and came out against it despite a career of not having an opinion or bias against the laws of the state. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted June 23, 2017 Share Posted June 23, 2017 Just out of curiosity, how does every other OECD country get heath care to their citizens? Do they deliver it in a little pizza delivery-like van, or is it more like Singapore where they deliver your KFC on a bike? Also, since Mexico is an OECD country, tell us: if Mexico is so much better at getting great HC to its people, why do they all cram themselves in minivans and put their lives on the line to come to America? I mean, to hear you tell it, we should be climbing walls to get to Mexico! Lastly, please explain (1) what you mean by 'better results,' (2) how do you measure those results, and (3) what studies support those results? We'll wait. People do go to Mexico for care. https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/05/07/healthcare-mexico-obamacare/8517917/ When Whitey Bulger was on the run he was always going over the boarder to get health care until he found out they were looking for him at the crossing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted June 23, 2017 Share Posted June 23, 2017 People do go to Mexico for care. https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/05/07/healthcare-mexico-obamacare/8517917/ When Whitey Bulger was on the run he was always going over the boarder to get health care until he found out they were looking for him at the crossing. shoo shoo retarded flu Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted June 23, 2017 Share Posted June 23, 2017 shoo shoo retarded flu Garbage man you are Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted June 23, 2017 Share Posted June 23, 2017 Garbage man you aregrammar have not you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted June 23, 2017 Share Posted June 23, 2017 The shortsightedness of “Denounce and Preserve” TAYLOR MILLARD Pragmatism for the sake of pragmatism doesn’t always work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALF Posted June 23, 2017 Share Posted June 23, 2017 (edited) Interesting factoid on cnn Medicaid covers: 49% of all births 60% of all children with disabilities 64% of all nursing home residents from Kaiser family foundation Edited June 23, 2017 by ALF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted June 23, 2017 Share Posted June 23, 2017 Just out of curiosity, how does every other OECD country get heath care to their citizens? Do they deliver it in a little pizza delivery-like van, or is it more like Singapore where they deliver your KFC on a bike? Also, since Mexico is an OECD country, tell us: if Mexico is so much better at getting great HC to its people, why do they all cram themselves in minivans and put their lives on the line to come to America? I mean, to hear you tell it, we should be climbing walls to get to Mexico! Lastly, please explain (1) what you mean by 'better results,' (2) how do you measure those results, and (3) what studies support those results? We'll wait. It's free. D'uh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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