keepthefaith Posted February 16, 2014 Posted February 16, 2014 How is Obamacaid going to reduce costs? The answer is simple: volume. Kinda like the postal service who continues to buy expensive TV advertising for a product that is priced to lose money.
B-Man Posted February 16, 2014 Posted February 16, 2014 TRAINWRECK UPDATE: ObamaCare patients with serious pre-existing diseases could face expensive drug costs. Fred Thompson ✔ @fredthompson Follow CBO report: Ocare creating "disincentive for people to work". Since law itself doesn't work, guess we can call it "leading by example" #tcot ..........7:01 PM - 13 Feb 2014
B-Man Posted February 17, 2014 Posted February 17, 2014 Exclusive: Sebelius won’t say whether still fundraising to promote Obamacare. “News last May that Sebelius had asked business executives and nonprofit groups to donate to Enroll America, a nonprofit organization formed to help encourage millions of Americans to sign up for the new Obamacare insurance exchanges, provoked an uproar among Republicans on Capitol Hill. Eight months after the news broke, Sebelius’ spokeswoman last Friday side-stepped questions from the Washington Examiner on whether her boss has continued to solicit funds from outside groups for Enroll America’s efforts.” Obamacare: a law so officially settled, it’s inscribed in solid Play-Doh. .
OCinBuffalo Posted February 17, 2014 Posted February 17, 2014 (edited) How many were previously uninsured? C'mon...I'm sure those numbers are right there. Bring 'em out! This is something I don't get at all. Why would they talk about #s so specifically, when we all know that there's little chance they have them at all, never mind they are right? They come out and represent these very large #s as accurate, when, if they are off by even 10%, they are going to get attacked for lying again, and, 10% of 800,000, or whatever, represents 80k people. 80k people getting a negative consequence out of this is a major news story, because 80k people is "a lot" of people, no matter how many times you try to set the context in terms of 350 million. 350 million people is beyond the ken of most people. But, they will always be able to "see" a football stadium full of people: 1. paying more for care/drugs/etc. 2. losing their doctor 3. remaining uninsured 4. (insert negative outcome here) If even one of those 80k is a child? The horror! Whatever will Oprah do? The idiot Democrats have set themselves up, again, for failure. No wonders Ron Fournier is so tired of the idiot Democrats. Any qualified manager knows it's better to take the short term hit for "not knowing", at one meeting, than setting up the long-term beating for "fudging the #s"...which will be the entire agenda of multiple future meetings. If any of these Democrats had ever spent 1 day in the real world, they would know these sketchy #s means STFU, wait, and see. In an embarrassing bit of timing, the Obamacare website was down on Saturday due to a "Social Security system outage" on the same day as its National Youth Enrollment Day. According to the HealthCare.gov website, Social Security system maintenance means "you won't be able to submit an application at HealthCare.gov and find out what you are eligible for" from Feb. 15 at 3:00 PM until Feb. 18 at 5:00 AM EST. Obamacare's National Youth Enrollment Day is Feb. 15. Pro-Obamacare youth recruitment groups were crestfallen. "We just found that out," Aaron Smith, the Young Invincibles' co-founder told Buzzfeed. "Obviously it's unfortunate." Obamacare youth activist groups had billed National Youth Enrollment Day as "a huge day of action to educate young adults on the importance of having health insurance" and had flooded social media with graphics featuring celebrities Adam Levine, Lady Gaga, Beyonce, Amy Poehler, and others promoting the big day. "If you want something done right, put the far-left in charge of doing the opposite." Jesus, it's like they are trying to reinforce this, by providing a weekly example. It's great that all these celebrities have damaged their brand over this. Before any of them are anything, they've proven themselves to be business people. Cutting loose of Obamacare will become a simple business decision, and, a lesson that informs the next time they are asked to blindly support stupidity. Edited February 17, 2014 by OCinBuffalo
B-Man Posted February 18, 2014 Posted February 18, 2014 THE HILL: Republicans open investigations into ObamaCare’s disaster sites. Lawmakers are setting their sites on exchanges in Oregon, Maryland and Massachusetts where Democratic governors embraced the healthcare law, and are demanding to know why their expensive online portals remain useless more than four months after launch. In Oregon, not even one person has yet to enroll online, leaving the state completely reliant on paper applications Bad News for ObamaCare? Nah, Just a 'Hiccup' Say Big Three Nets Read more: http://newsbusters.org/#ixzz2thFMKDvp
B-Man Posted February 20, 2014 Posted February 20, 2014 The Obamacare Enrollment Crash Is Coming http://www.nationaljournal.com/health-care/the-obamacare-enrollment-crash-is-coming-20140219 Senate Dems complain to HHS about Obamacare cuts to Medicare Advantage... Michael Barone: ObamaCare Is Obama’s Iraq War. One difference is that, unlike Bush, Obama has the press on his side. But I don’t think that’ll be enough. .
3rdnlng Posted February 24, 2014 Posted February 24, 2014 I wonder how many times this is happening across the country? http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702303945704579390772732855560?mod=hp_opinion&mg=reno64-wsj&url=http%3A%2F%2Fonline.wsj.com%2Farticle%2FSB10001424052702303945704579390772732855560.html%3Fmod%3Dhp_opinion Though I'm no expert on ObamaCare (at 10,000 pages, who could be?), I understand that the intention—or at least the rhetorical justification—of this legislation was to provide coverage for those who didn't have it. But there is something deeply and incontestably perverse about a law that so distorts and undermines the free activity of individuals that they can no longer buy and sell the goods and services that keep them alive. ObamaCare made my mother's old plan illegal, and it forced her to buy a new plan that would accelerate her disease and death. She awaits an appeal with her insurer. Will this injustice be remedied, for her and for millions of others? Or is my mother to die because she can no longer afford the treatment that keeps her alive? Like every American, I want affordable health care, and I'm open to innovative solutions of all kinds—individual, corporate, for-profit, nonprofit and public. It will take all of these, and all the intelligence, creativity and self-discipline we have, as well as everything we can offer one another as families, neighbors, friends and citizens—and it still won't be perfect. But it is precisely because health care for 300 million people is so complicated that it cannot be centrally managed. The "Affordable" Care Act is a brutal, Procrustean disaster. In principle, it violates the irreducible particularity of human life, and in practice it will cause many individuals to suffer and die. We can do better, and we must.
Tiberius Posted February 24, 2014 Posted February 24, 2014 The Lies about Obamacare http://www.nytimes.com/2014/02/24/opinion/krugman-health-care-horror-hooey.html ■ In the official G.O.P. response to the State of the Union address, Representative Cathy McMorris Rodgers alluded to the case of “Bette in Spokane,” who supposedly lost her good health insurance coverage and was forced to pay nearly $700 more a month in premiums. Local reporters located the real Bette, and found that the story was completely misleading: her original policy provided very little protection, and she could get a much better plan for much less than the claimed cost. ■ In Louisiana, the AstroTurf (fake grass-roots) group Americans for Prosperity — the group appears to be largely financed and controlled by the Koch brothers and other wealthy donors — has been running ads targeting Senator Mary Landrieu. In these ads, we see what appear to be ordinary Louisiana residents receiving notices telling them that their insurance policies have been canceled because of Obamacare. But the people in the ads are, in fact, paid actors, and the scenes they play aren’t re-enactments of real events — they’re “emblematic,” says a spokesman for the group. ■ In Michigan, Americans for Prosperity is running an ad that does feature a real person. But is she telling a real story? In the ad, Julia Boonstra, who is suffering from leukemia, declares that her insurance has been canceled, that the new policy will have unaffordable out-of-pocket costs, and that “If I do not receive my medication, I will die.” But Glenn Kessler of The Washington Post tried to check the facts, and learned that thanks to lower premiums she will almost surely save nearly as much if not more than she will be paying in higher out-of-pocket costs. A spokesman for Americans for Prosperity responded to questions about the numbers with bluster and double-talk — this is about “a real person suffering from blood cancer, not some neat and tidy White House PowerPoint.” I wonder how many times this is happening across the country? http://online.wsj.co...?mod=hp_opinion . ObamaCare made my mother's old plan illegal, and it forced her to buy a new plan that would accelerate her disease and death. She awaits an appeal with her insurer. Will this injustice be remedied, for her and for millions of others? Or is my mother to die because she can no longer afford the treatment that keeps her alive? LOL, I smell a lie
meazza Posted February 24, 2014 Posted February 24, 2014 The Lies about Obamacare http://www.nytimes.c...rror-hooey.html LOL, I smell a lie Yes smells like a liar Mr. Blackwood is the president of Ralston College, a planned liberal-arts institution in Savannah, Ga., and is on the board of the Caring for Carcinoid Foundation. His mother, Catherine, manages the Family Medicine Center in Virginia Beach, Va.
Doc Posted February 24, 2014 Posted February 24, 2014 Krugman calling someone else a liar? Now I've seen everything. But yes, it's much worse than say, lying that Mitt Romney cancelled your health care, which led to your wife getting cancer and dying. Both parties lie. The difference is Dems will stoop to unbelievable depths with theirs.
B-Man Posted February 24, 2014 Posted February 24, 2014 Speaking of lying...................lol WaPo says it is like playing whack-a-mole. Every time they rap someone for getting it wrong, the same problem pops up someplace else. The Washington Post Fact Checker: Obama’s claim that 7 million got ‘access to health care for the first time’ because of his Medicaid expansion FTA: In any case, no matter how you slice it, it does not add up to 7 million. It is dismaying that given all of the attention to this issue, the president apparently does not realize that the administration’s data are woefully inadequate for boastful assertions of this type. Four Pinocchios http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact-checker/wp/2014/02/24/obamas-claim-that-7-million-got-access-to-health-care-for-the-first-time-because-of-obamacares-medicaid-expansion/
IDBillzFan Posted February 24, 2014 Posted February 24, 2014 (edited) Krugman calling someone else a liar? Now I've seen everything. But yes, it's much worse than say, lying that Mitt Romney cancelled your health care, which led to your wife getting cancer and dying. Both parties lie. The difference is Dems will stoop to unbelievable depths with theirs. The story of Julia Boonstra is particularly compelling. Her story is true, however the left got WaPo to offer assumptions explaining how there is a chance that maybe one day her story may not be true, and now her Congressman is suing the station running the ad about Boonstra who, by the way, still has cancer and is still dying. But enough about the liars! The letter is here. Note the threat to have the station's license pulled if they don't give in to their demand. SILENCE, YOU BAD PEOPLE!!!! Progs will go to every depth possible to stop the reporting of the onslaught of failure that Obamacare brings to the table. Imagine if only they could run some ads of people who have benefited from Obamacare. We'll wait for that to happen. In the meantime, remember that Obamacare is a Bushrummy to the Cruzbagger like PalinistaShutYerMouth! Edited February 24, 2014 by LABillzFan
B-Man Posted February 24, 2014 Posted February 24, 2014 The Human Face Of ObamaCare. “The story Stephen Blackwood tells is like something out of Kafka—or, perhaps a closer analogy, like something out of a totalitarian satrap, for there is nothing fictional about this nightmare. The mind-numbing bureaucracy. The stunning incompetence. The casual, unthinking brutality. It’s all there, coming to a shattered life near you. One day Mrs. Blackwood had the health insurance plan she had paid for for two decades. Then, ‘because our lawmakers and president thought they could do better, she had nothing.’ Nothing. Nada. Nichts. Rien.” TRAIN WRECK UPDATE: Washington Post: Health care law’s small-business marketplace not attracting many small businesses. If you liked your coumadin you can keep your...oh, wait Obama’s ‘attack’ on Medicare Part D http://dailycaller.com/2014/02/22/revealed-obamas-attack-on-medicare-part-d/
keepthefaith Posted February 24, 2014 Posted February 24, 2014 We've already seen a horrendous incident in our family where an old person was denied coverage for rehab services ordered by the hospital. A social worker asked several times if the patient had the means to pay, and we'll never know for sure but we believe the decision was based on that somewhat. There's no doubt that Obamacare seeks to spend less on seniors and I think there is a good debate to be had about that, but instead of solving that out in the open, it's done through the application of a law that most don't want or understand.
BuffaloBill Posted February 25, 2014 Posted February 25, 2014 For all of you Affordable Care Act haters what is missing is that thebcurrent system of care provision through employers is eroding by the minute. So what is your answer when the only thing provided by private employers is catastrophic insurance? Go back to section 129 tax code that created the current system. There was a time as shown through tax code that the government thought privately provided medical insurance was important. What has changed is global competition. The US spends more on healthcare than any other developed country. Most of this cost is borne by employers who rightfully can argue it is at a competitive disadvantage to them. Not to mention that statistically it is more than evident that Americans fail to take care of themselves. Blame Obamacare if you wish but the blame game is relatively shallow in its approach.
3rdnlng Posted February 25, 2014 Posted February 25, 2014 For all of you Affordable Care Act haters what is missing is that thebcurrent system of care provision through employers is eroding by the minute. So what is your answer when the only thing provided by private employers is catastrophic insurance? Go back to section 129 tax code that created the current system. There was a time as shown through tax code that the government thought privately provided medical insurance was important. What has changed is global competition. The US spends more on healthcare than any other developed country. Most of this cost is borne by employers who rightfully can argue it is at a competitive disadvantage to them. Not to mention that statistically it is more than evident that Americans fail to take care of themselves. Blame Obamacare if you wish but the blame game is relatively shallow in its approach. ObamaCare is a "one size fits all" approach that is doomed for failure because it is a "one size fits all" approach. Sorry for the redundancy.
Keukasmallies Posted February 25, 2014 Posted February 25, 2014 If you like your ObamaCare, you can keep your ObamaCare; just don't make ME keep your ObamaCare...cuz' it sucks. I'm totally over the millions and the hundreds of thousands and the vast numbers of....when I sit at home and tote up the impact for the two of us, I find it well and truly sucks! Why, you ask, higher premiums, higher co-pays right now for starters; potentially less access to specialists, etc coming down the pike.
Azalin Posted February 25, 2014 Posted February 25, 2014 (edited) For all of you Affordable Care Act haters what is missing is that thebcurrent system of care provision through employers is eroding by the minute. So what is your answer when the only thing provided by private employers is catastrophic insurance? Go back to section 129 tax code that created the current system. There was a time as shown through tax code that the government thought privately provided medical insurance was important. What has changed is global competition. The US spends more on healthcare than any other developed country. Most of this cost is borne by employers who rightfully can argue it is at a competitive disadvantage to them. Not to mention that statistically it is more than evident that Americans fail to take care of themselves. Blame Obamacare if you wish but the blame game is relatively shallow in its approach. it's the government's involvement in health insurance via regulatory practice that's caused much of the problem in the first place. employer provided insurance plans used to be used mainly for catastophic illness and major surgeries, not for every little day-to-day maladies that everyone experiences. every single state has their own set of laws that effect the way doctors, caregivers, and insurance go about their business. in fact, government presence in health care has been around for so long that people now refer to health care as a 'system'. it isn't. it's a private industry that provides one of the most basic and essential needs for human beings. who in their right minds would hand over control of something like that to the government? I'm 56 years old. when I was a child growing up in WNY, doctor visits cost five dollars. our doctor made house calls. that's unthinkable nowadays. why? it's not the greedy doctors that drove up the cost of medical care. insurance companies didn't just arbitrarily raise the cost of their coverage. the expense came from a series of interventions by state and federal government. hospitals were mandated to treat any patient who came to the emergency room, regardless of their ability to pay. sure, that's a comassionate thing to do, but what were the ramefications? hospitals offset their losses by increasing the cost to those who could pay. soon, everyone needed insurance to cover even the simplest of procedures. have you seen how much it costs for a doctor to confirm that you did indeed break your finger? it didn't use to be like that. in the state of Texas, it costs a minimum of $90,000.00 per year for a doctor's malpractice insurance. laws that allow frivolous and overly-punitive lawsuits are to blame. more government interference. the ACA, among other things, is adding a tax to the cost of medical devices (as if ultra sounds and cat scans weren't expensive enough already). a certain amount of oversight is understandably necessary in a field as important as medicine and health care, but to look to the government for a fix to the problem is in my opinion idiotic since they're the ones who have done the most to make it inaccessable in the first place. Edited February 25, 2014 by Azalin
birdog1960 Posted February 25, 2014 Posted February 25, 2014 For all of you Affordable Care Act haters what is missing is that thebcurrent system of care provision through employers is eroding by the minute. So what is your answer when the only thing provided by private employers is catastrophic insurance? Go back to section 129 tax code that created the current system. There was a time as shown through tax code that the government thought privately provided medical insurance was important. What has changed is global competition. The US spends more on healthcare than any other developed country. Most of this cost is borne by employers who rightfully can argue it is at a competitive disadvantage to them. Not to mention that statistically it is more than evident that Americans fail to take care of themselves. Blame Obamacare if you wish but the blame game is relatively shallow in its approach. exactly. we're approaching 20% gdp and get poor quality in return. recent lecture i was at quoted 400,000 excess deaths per year in US hospitals due to medical errors. part of the solution proposed was standard work: algorithms, order sets, protocols... with built in flexibilty for physician discretion. kinda "one size fits most". and there's data to support that contention.also, when people mention denials, this is often through a private insurance medicare product. these existed long before obamacare. if you want to blame obamacare for these refusals you're probably best criticizing the fact that the bill didn't go far enough to standardize coverage. it's stiull fragmented and inconsistent. the aca however put a floor in place for what's covered. to make this floor more universal, you really need to invoke...wait for it...single payor.
DC Tom Posted February 25, 2014 Posted February 25, 2014 exactly. we're approaching 20% gdp and get poor quality in return. recent lecture i was at quoted 400,000 excess deaths per year in US hospitals due to medical errors. part of the solution proposed was standard work: algorithms, order sets, protocols... with built in flexibilty for physician discretion. kinda "one size fits most". and there's data to support that contention.also, when people mention denials, this is often through a private insurance medicare product. these existed long before obamacare. if you want to blame obamacare for these refusals you're probably best criticizing the fact that the bill didn't go far enough to standardize coverage. it's stiull fragmented and inconsistent. the aca however put a floor in place for what's covered. to make this floor more universal, you really need to invoke...wait for it...single payor. 400k deaths a year due to medical errors, and your fix for that is "single payor"? Even for you, that's retarded.
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