The Affordable Care Act II - Because Mr. Obama Loves You All

[Meathead]

Plus it's ridiculous to believe that they will ever be able to pin this failure on the Democrats. No matter what anybody says, any current Administration owns everything that has to do with Health Care during their term. Partisans on both edges will buy into whatever blame gaming it's going on, but the majority of the country is going to rightfully view it as a failure of the current Administration, because it is

[Benjamin Franklin]

Plus it's ridiculous to believe that they will ever be able to pin this failure on the Democrats. No matter what anybody says, any current Administration owns everything that has to do with Health Care during their term. Partisans on both edges will buy into whatever blame gaming it's going on, but the majority of the country is going to rightfully view it as a failure of the current Administration, because it is

I didn't read your post but it's still excellent. Turning over a new leaf?

[Magox]

Plus it's ridiculous to believe that they will ever be able to pin this failure on the Democrats. No matter what anybody says, any current Administration owns everything that has to do with Health Care during their term. Partisans on both edges will buy into whatever blame gaming it's going on, but the majority of the country is going to rightfully view it as a failure of the current Administration, because it is

 

It depends, if the current administration actively looks to undermine the existing law, then I would agree. But if they allow the status quo or even do things to shore it up and it still keeps heading in the direction it is heading, then I would wholeheartedly disagree.

[B-Man]

Paul Ryan: Push for health-care reform will continue

[DC Tom]

Paul Ryan: Push for health-care reform will continue

 

People thought it wouldn't?

 

I mean people, not Democrats. The Democrats obviously thought that if you fail to vote on a bill, you will never, ever, ever bring another bill to the floor on that subject ever again.

[B-Large]

People thought it wouldn't?

 

I mean people, not Democrats. The Democrats obviously thought that if you fail to vote on a bill, you will never, ever, ever bring another bill to the floor on that subject ever again.

I'm not convinced they really care all that much about repeal anymore. I'm not convinced they are prepared nor interested in spending a year if not more, dedicating to it. 17 days, after 7.5 years essentially riding it into power.

[B-Man]

Affordable Care Act Repeal Is Back on the Agenda, Republicans Say.

 

Republican members of Congress said they hoped that revisiting the issue would lead this time to a solution and a vote in the House.

“I think everyone wants to get to yes and support President Trump,” said Representative Dave Brat, Republican of Virginia and a Freedom Caucus member. “There is a package in there that is a win-win.”

Representative Raúl Labrador of Idaho, another Freedom Caucus member, said he hoped the discussions would yield a compromise that brings the party together after a divisive debate that revealed deep fissures. “I think we will have a better, stronger product that will unify the conference,” Mr. Labrador said.

 

 

 

 

The House leadership needs to worry less about what might clear the Senate, and concentrate more on winning passage in the House.

[Doc Brown]

Affordable Care Act Repeal Is Back on the Agenda, Republicans Say.

 

 

Republican members of Congress said they hoped that revisiting the issue would lead this time to a solution and a vote in the House.

“I think everyone wants to get to yes and support President Trump,” said Representative Dave Brat, Republican of Virginia and a Freedom Caucus member. “There is a package in there that is a win-win.”

Representative Raúl Labrador of Idaho, another Freedom Caucus member, said he hoped the discussions would yield a compromise that brings the party together after a divisive debate that revealed deep fissures. “I think we will have a better, stronger product that will unify the conference,” Mr. Labrador said.

 

 

 

The House leadership needs to worry less about what might clear the Senate, and concentrate more on winning passage in the House.

Yeah, but the house has 2018 election season on their mind. Do they want their name on a piece of legislation that is extremely unpopular (17%) and would kick a lot of people off insurance (there have been reports that some Trump voters who didn't even realize they were on Obamacare and thought it was ACA ). Liked the ACA but hated Obama. Would improvements to the bill by the Senate get more people on board? Possibly. History shows new health care legislation is a death trap for the midterm elections.

[Magox]

Affordable Care Act Repeal Is Back on the Agenda, Republicans Say.

 

Republican members of Congress said they hoped that revisiting the issue would lead this time to a solution and a vote in the House.

“I think everyone wants to get to yes and support President Trump,” said Representative Dave Brat, Republican of Virginia and a Freedom Caucus member. “There is a package in there that is a win-win.”

Representative Raúl Labrador of Idaho, another Freedom Caucus member, said he hoped the discussions would yield a compromise that brings the party together after a divisive debate that revealed deep fissures. “I think we will have a better, stronger product that will unify the conference,” Mr. Labrador said.

 

 

 

 

The House leadership needs to worry less about what might clear the Senate, and concentrate more on winning passage in the House.

 

 

The Freedom Caucus are feeling the heat, they are getting the most blame for this debacle and rightfully so. Yes, Ryan should have gone about it differently, and yes Trump should not have been such an ill-informed nincompoop when it comes to policy matters, but these goons should have known that voting for the reconciliation bill in the house was not a vote on the final product but a vote to move the ball forward. They failed miserably on that front.

 

We'll see how much they are willing to compromise. If I were on Trump's team, I'd quickly try to find those that are willing to negotiate in good faith and that aren't completely divorced from political realities, those who aren't and are ideological purists that are the my way or the highway types, plan without them and cut them out of the process.

[B-Man]

 

 

The Freedom Caucus are feeling the heat, they are getting the most blame for this debacle and rightfully so. Yes, Ryan should have gone about it differently, and yes Trump should not have been such an ill-informed nincompoop when it comes to policy matters, but these goons should have known that voting for the reconciliation bill in the house was not a vote on the final product but a vote to move the ball forward. They failed miserably on that front.

 

We'll see how much they are willing to compromise. If I were on Trump's team, I'd quickly try to find those that are willing to negotiate in good faith and that aren't completely divorced from political realities, those who aren't and are ideological purists that are the my way or the highway types, plan without them and cut them out of the process.

 

I understand what you are saying, if they cannot see the best way to get towards their goal, then don't waste any time on them,

 

However............there are lots of others issues coming up soon that the administration will need their votes on besides healthcare, so in my opinion you still have to play the DC game with them.

 

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[Magox]

 

I understand what you are saying, if they cannot see the best way to get towards their goal, then don't waste any time on them,

 

However............there are lots of others issues coming up soon that the administration will need their votes on besides healthcare, so in my opinion you still have to play the DC game with them.

 

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To a degree.

 

I think this goes for just about any sort of multilateral negotiation, if you know that in order to strike a deal that compromise needs to be had, then you identify those that are willing to negotiate in good faith and work with those, the rest...... Well, they are a lost cause and there is no need to bring them into the fold. Unless and only unless they are willing to become a constructive force that understands and recognize the realities that exist in order to strike a deal.

Edited March 28, 2017 by Magox

[Joe Miner]

 

 

The Freedom Caucus are feeling the heat, they are getting the most blame for this debacle and rightfully so. Yes, Ryan should have gone about it differently, and yes Trump should not have been such an ill-informed nincompoop when it comes to policy matters, but these goons should have known that voting for the reconciliation bill in the house was not a vote on the final product but a vote to move the ball forward. They failed miserably on that front.

 

We'll see how much they are willing to compromise. If I were on Trump's team, I'd quickly try to find those that are willing to negotiate in good faith and that aren't completely divorced from political realities, those who aren't and are ideological purists that are the my way or the highway types, plan without them and cut them out of the process.

I wouldn't be surprised if most of them knew that had they passed it, the bill would have gone through many​ changes before being finalized.

 

But the chances of their constituency knowing that is slim. It would have given opponents an easy slogan that their rep passed a horrible health care bill, which could cost them reelection.

 

While I place some blame over politicians putting party over country, I will always bet on the politician to put themselves over party over country any day.

 

The American public needs to shoulder some blame for only being able to read headlines instead of taking the time to understand the content.

[GG]

 

The American public needs to shoulder some blame for only being able to read headlines instead of taking the time to understand the content.

If that were the case neither trump nor Obama be elected. Edited March 28, 2017 by GG

[Joe Miner]

If that were the case neither trump nor Obama be elected.

No argument there.

 

I complain about the lack of leadership in Washington all the time. But in all honesty, if a real leader did actually come along, I really doubt that the American public would accept that kind of behavior as it doesn't fit their Headline News, hot pocket mentalities.

[Magox]

I wouldn't be surprised if most of them knew that had they passed it, the bill would have gone through many​ changes before being finalized.

 

But the chances of their constituency knowing that is slim. It would have given opponents an easy slogan that their rep passed a horrible health care bill, which could cost them reelection.

 

While I place some blame over politicians putting party over country, I will always bet on the politician to put themselves over party over country any day.

 

The American public needs to shoulder some blame for only being able to read headlines instead of taking the time to understand the content.

 

 

I agree with that, which is why I have major issues with the mainstream media and the tv/radio hucksters. They feed people fear, demagoguery, partial truths without context and outright untruths. It's all about the ratings and $$ when it comes to these folks.

[TakeYouToTasker]

 

 

The Freedom Caucus are feeling the heat, they are getting the most blame for this debacle and rightfully so. Yes, Ryan should have gone about it differently, and yes Trump should not have been such an ill-informed nincompoop when it comes to policy matters, but these goons should have known that voting for the reconciliation bill in the house was not a vote on the final product but a vote to move the ball forward. They failed miserably on that front.

 

We'll see how much they are willing to compromise. If I were on Trump's team, I'd quickly try to find those that are willing to negotiate in good faith and that aren't completely divorced from political realities, those who aren't and are ideological purists that are the my way or the highway types, plan without them and cut them out of the process.

You've nearly terminally ghettoized your mind.

 

Again, the Freedom Caucus did not want the bill to advance. They thought it was garbage, offered them nothing, and knew the Senate was going to send back something even less palatable.

 

Stop being a useless hack. I'm losing respect for you by the second.

[Magox]

“We’re going to keep talking to each other until we get it right,” he said during a news conference.

But lawmakers and aides acknowledge the odds are not in their favor. The conference is still deeply divided, and members are seething over the demise of their replacement bill — with most fingers pointing at members of the arch-conservative Freedom Caucus.

During a meeting with several dozen whips Monday night, Republican allies of leadership vented about how they want to punish members of the conservative group who “don’t play with the team.” Some lawmakers spoke of “primary-ing” conservatives; others brought up stripping subcommittee gavels from those who opposed the bill. Across the hall at the same time, the House GOP’s freshman class discussed banning from its meetings and events any first-termers who opposed the Republican health care plan.

“There should be consequences for their actions,” said one GOP whip leaving the room Monday night. “Is this group ever going to get to yes?”

House leaders, however, believe retaliating would only undercut any attempt later to revive the health care push. Ryan urged his members during a closed-door meeting Tuesday morning not to take out their anger on the Freedom Caucus, but instead to refocus their energy on finding an alternative that can pass.

The efforts by Republican leaders to reopen health care negotiations came after President Donald Trump gave House Republicans an ultimatum last week: Pass the bill Friday, or live with Obamacare. But after a brutal weekend of news coverage — of all things, how could the Republican Party blow the one issue they’ve been campaigning on for seven years? — Republicans came back this week saying they’re not yet ready to give up.

 

 

Ted Poe who just quit the Freedom caucus

 

Some members of the Freedom Caucus would have voted against the American Health Care Act no matter what changes had been included, but at some point, they need to learn to say yes and lead, Rep. Ted Poe, who dropped out of the House Freedom Caucus he helped found, said Monday.

"There's some members, I think, who wanted some strong parts of the repeal in the bill, but it would move too far to the right where you wouldn't get other Republicans to support it," the Texas Republican told CNN's "New Day" program.

"There was nothing that could be added to the bill that the Freedom Caucus would ever vote yes on," he said. "So, I got the opinion that there's some members of the Freedom Caucus, they would vote no against the Ten Commandment the if they came up for a vote."

 

 

It's going to be interesting to see what happens, you can see that the pressure is on the Freedom Caucus, as it is becoming clear that they are getting most of the blame for failing to advance the bill that repeals large portions of Obamacare. I've noticed in interviews over the past 2 days a change in some of their members tone, they desperately want a redo. The question is will they continue to be intransigent nincompoops that they've been or will they agree to advance the ball into the Senate's hand, where they'll have ample opportunity to give their input.

Edited March 29, 2017 by Magox

[DC Tom]

"There was nothing that could be added to the bill that the Freedom Caucus would ever vote yes on," he said. "So, I got the opinion that there's some members of the Freedom Caucus, they would vote no against the Ten Commandment the if they came up for a vote."

 

That whole "Thou shall not covet thy neighbor's wife" part is probably a deal-breaker.

[TakeYouToTasker]

More evidence that the morally flexible don't understand the principled.

 

The libertarian movement is growing, and rapidly. They currently make up 20% of the Republican House, where libertarians were nearly non-existent 12 years ago.

 

Any veiw point which seeks to both ignore them while governing them is DOA.

 

But hey, ignoring what you view as a problem makes it go away, right?

 

For the rest of you: What Magox is doing now is exactly what those in Congress who think like him did, and continued to do.

 

He ignores the libertarians his "opposition party" depends upon to win elections. 20% of his party.

 

Then, after losing an historic political battle, he refuses to examine, as his preferred House members had better, the reasons he lost.

 

This is exactly why Hillary Clinton lost the presidential race, and exactly the mistake Democrats are making today, holding America back.

Edited March 29, 2017 by TakeYouToTasker

[GG]

More evidence that the morally flexible don't understand the principled.

 

The libertarian movement is growing, and rapidly. They currently make up 20% of the Republican House, where libertarians were nearly non-existent 12 years ago.

 

Any veiw point which seeks to both ignore them while governing them is DOA.

 

But hey, ignoring what you view as a problem makes it go away, right?

 

For the rest of you: What Magox is doing now is exactly what those in Congress who think like him did, and continued to do.

 

He ignores the libertarians his "opposition party" depends upon to win elections. 20% of his party.

 

Then, after losing an historic political battle, he refuses to examine, as his preferred House members had better, the reasons he lost.

 

This is exactly why Hillary Clinton lost the presidential race, and exactly the mistake Democrats are making today, holding America back.

 

By the same token, libertarians were given a gift with Trump's election and they will set the movement back a generation if they squander the opportunity to lead. 20% of House Republicans is 12% of the total House. That's a big enough voting block to affect legislation, but not big enough to lead it. If the Freedom Caucus continues to be obstinate and not compromise on reasonable offers, 2018 will get very ugly. If they want to grandstand, they should get a radio show.