B-Man Posted March 14, 2017 Share Posted March 14, 2017 The head of the CBO, Keith Hall, was nominated by Republicans in 2015 and had previously served under George W. Bush But yeah, keep blaming Democrats for the GOPs failures The usual misguided response from Spurt............... The article (you didn't read/understand) states that the CBO is not infallible and gives examples............pretty straightforward stuff. Here.....this one has a video.....maybe you can get something from that .....Spurt OMB Director Mick Mulvaney makes mincemeat of CBO scoring of health care plan It’s care, not coverage, that really counts If you haven’t seen OMB Director Mick Mulvaney in action, do yourself a favor and watch the video here. On today’s Morning Joe, Mulvaney showed himself to be smart, well-spoken, undefensive and down-to-earth as he systematically demolished Mika’s, and by extension, the CBO’s, claims about the Trump admin’s health care proposal. Before Mulvaney appeared, the panel had engaged in extended hand-wringing over the loss of coverage that the CBO has projected. Mulvaney made three telling points: The CBO has a bad track record when it comes to projecting coverage. Just three years ago, the CBO predicted that 24 million people would be covered today under Obamacare exchanges. The true number: 11.5 million, less than half the CBO’s forecast. Most tellingly, Mulvaney made the distinction between “coverage” and “care.” Dems focus on coverage. But he gave the example of a family of relatively modest means that is “covered” with an Obamacare plan. But given the annual deductible of $12-15,000, that family can’t afford actual care. He said the focus under the Trump proposal is on actually delivering care to people. Finally, he gave an example of an unrealistic assumption that the CBO made in coming to its coverage projections. The CBO assumes that once the new health plan is implemented, people on Medicaid will drop that free coverage and seek coverage under the new plan. Mulvaney: “that makes no sense.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDBillzFan Posted March 14, 2017 Share Posted March 14, 2017 The GOP literally had 8 years to figure out a replacement plan, and when their hand was forced, they had nothing. The CBO projection literally says "we weren't given enough time to figure out a score like we usually do" since the GOP is trying to rush this through. I may not like the plan they put out, but it is certainly not 'nothing,' and it could be a schitstain on your office chair and still be better than the abortion that is ACA. But you keep up the quality copy/paste efforts, PB. It's hard thinking for yourself, but you can do it. You just need to keep trying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nanker Posted March 14, 2017 Share Posted March 14, 2017 And massive tax cuts for the poor suffering wealthy! Words of a class warfare thief. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDBillzFan Posted March 14, 2017 Share Posted March 14, 2017 If 14 million are projected to drop off the healthcare coverage rolls because the mandate to have healthcare coverage is dropped, what's the big deal? If it's so great, they'll buy a policy. Remember when the ACA plan so good the entire Democratic party exempted themselves from it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted March 14, 2017 Share Posted March 14, 2017 I may not like the plan they put out, but it is certainly not 'nothing,' and it could be a schitstain on your office chair and still be better than the abortion that is ACA. But you keep up the quality copy/paste efforts, PB. It's hard thinking for yourself, but you can do it. You just need to keep trying. I know Gator's next post........................ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nanker Posted March 14, 2017 Share Posted March 14, 2017 (edited) Yep. Probably because what they already had was less than what they could get under B.O.Care, but they just wanted to show the little people that they would suffer with their current plan. Remember when the ACA plan so good the entire Democratic party exempted themselves from it? Edited March 14, 2017 by Nanker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted March 14, 2017 Share Posted March 14, 2017 More (un) common sense................... MEGAN MCARDLE: Best Health-Care Plan for Republicans? Wait. For a policy columnist, “Don’t do that” is the easiest column to write. Most policy ideas are bad. If you simply blindly oppose everything that anyone ever puts forward, you’ll end up being right most of the time. However, that’s not very useful for politicians. If they just sit around Congress playing tiddlywinks all day, voters will get cranky. Congress is supposed to do things. So, having spent a few days saying unkind things about the Republican health-care plan, it probably behooves me to state what I think they should do. Well, boy, that’s a hard question. Here’s the thing: For all the unkind words I’ve said, I get the forces that have brought Republicans to this point. As I wrote Thursday, Democrats built a shoddy and unworkable structure out of the political equivalent of concrete: nearly impossible to repair or renovate, and darned expensive to demolish. The task is made even harder by the fact that Democrats currently control just enough votes in the Senate to keep Republicans from passing any sort of clean, comprehensive bill. If you listen to the presentation that Speaker of the House Paul Ryan gave Thursday, you’ll see that he understands the problems. His argument is, basically: Democrats screwed up the health-care system. They won’t let us fix it cleanly, so if we’re going to do something, these half-measures are the best we can do. Let’s get this passed, address what we can through regulatory changes, then force Democrats to come to the table to negotiate the rest. I basically agree with the first two sentences: Yes, Democrats expanded coverage, which is good, but in the process they made potentially fatal alterations to the market for individual insurance. These need to be addressed before many people, particularly in rural areas, simply find there are no policies for sale. It’s the third sentence I have a problem with, because I don’t think that Democrats are going to come to the table, even after Republicans push this half-bill through. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted March 14, 2017 Share Posted March 14, 2017 Words of a class warfare thief. Tax the wealthy to give health care to people, eat sh it if you don't like it I know Gator's next post........................ Cut and paste is your middle name Mr Alt-right propaganda boy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spurna Posted March 14, 2017 Share Posted March 14, 2017 The usual misguided response from Spurt............... The article (you didn't read/understand) states that the CBO is not infallible and gives examples............pretty straightforward stuff. Here.....this one has a video.....maybe you can get something from that .....Spurt Are you afraid that single-payer might force you to get your autism treated Try thinking for yourself instead of copying and pasting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted March 14, 2017 Share Posted March 14, 2017 Are you afraid that single-payer might force you to get your autism treated Try thinking for yourself instead of copying and pasting Hey Spurt..................Congrats. You accidently got something right.......SINGLE PAYER = FORCE a reminder for those that missed it. “The implicit standard in analysis of the health insurance system is that every consumer must have government-selected coverage. But why?” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meazza Posted March 14, 2017 Share Posted March 14, 2017 Are you afraid that single-payer might force you to get your autism treated Try thinking for yourself instead of copying and pasting So now you insult the mentally disabled? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted March 14, 2017 Share Posted March 14, 2017 Hey Spurt..................Congrats. You accidently got something right.......SINGLE PAYER = FORCE a reminder for those that missed it. “The implicit standard in analysis of the health insurance system is that every consumer must have government-selected coverage. But why?” Yes, because throwing 24 million people off of health care to give even more money to the wealthy is morally ok if you are a POS So now you insult the mentally disabled? The Republican Party can handle the insult. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted March 14, 2017 Share Posted March 14, 2017 If 14 million are projected to drop off the healthcare coverage rolls because the mandate to have healthcare coverage is dropped, what's the big deal? If it's so great, they'll buy a policy. Because the policies will be exorbitantly more expensive, especially for senior citizens. This is why the AARP has come out against the AHCA, the buck gets passed to their members. If there's one group you do NOT want to face off against politically, it's the AARP. The bill will fail. It kicks poor people off their coverage and doesn't give them any feasible replacement options. So it doesn't matter "if it's so great" if you can't afford it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meazza Posted March 14, 2017 Share Posted March 14, 2017 Yes, because throwing 24 million people off of health care to give even more money to the wealthy is morally ok if you are a POS The Republican Party can handle the insult. So you're saying all autistic people are Republican? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted March 14, 2017 Share Posted March 14, 2017 http://www.politico.com/story/2017/03/obamacare-uninsured-white-house-236019 Wow! Now the White House is saying don't listen to the White House! Right wing rule is so screwed up. Garbage is running the country Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted March 14, 2017 Share Posted March 14, 2017 Remember when the ACA plan so good the entire Democratic party exempted themselves from it? And this shows just how far modern conservatives have fallen, and why moderates like me have trouble staying sane in today's political climate. It's a GOOD THING that you don't have to buy government healthcare. That's basically what Bernie Sanders wants, everyone on free government paid healthcare. That's how you bankrupt a country. What you should want (and what Republicans wanted in the 90s) is a mix of private and public healthcare. Give poor and middle income people a government option. No it won't be perfect, but it's better than nothing. Meanwhile the private industry can continue on in the free market and people can choose to go there's instead. What the AHCA wants to do is drive up the price of healthcare for everybody, which kicks over 24 million people off their healthcare with no realistic opportunities to get it back. There are actual real people that will die if this bill passes because they can't afford their prescriptions anymore. There are stories like this all over. It would be devastating to roll Obamacare back. Keep tweaking it, sure, but this replacement is horrible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted March 14, 2017 Share Posted March 14, 2017 So you're saying all autistic people are Republican? What do you mean? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spurna Posted March 14, 2017 Share Posted March 14, 2017 That's basically what Bernie Sanders wants, everyone on free government paid healthcare. That's how you bankrupt a country Canada seems to be doing just fine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted March 14, 2017 Share Posted March 14, 2017 (edited) There are actual real people that will die if this bill passes because they can't afford their prescriptions anymore. There are stories like this all over. It would be devastating to roll Obamacare back. Keep tweaking it, sure, but this replacement is horrible. The alt-right is happy about this. They are basically social darwinists and want to see the "weak" die Edited March 14, 2017 by Tiberius Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meazza Posted March 14, 2017 Share Posted March 14, 2017 Canada seems to be doing just fine Not really. I'm Canadian. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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