keepthefaith Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 (edited) You think you are smarter than me? That would make for a fun poll, but probably a bit one-sided. And...you can CHOOSE to die young. You can CHOOSE to not use health care. You can do whatever the hell you want because that is what free people can do...make their own choices. Unless you're gatorman. Or baskin. Or PastaJoe. Or birdog. Or any other far left crazy who can't wipe their ass without getting toilet paper from the government. There's this... https://www.walmart.com/ip/Hillary-Clinton-For-President-2016-Toilet-Paper-1-TP-Roll-Novelty-Party-Gag-Gift/196809466 Edited January 17, 2017 by keepthefaith Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted January 18, 2017 Share Posted January 18, 2017 You think you are smarter than me? [This is an automated response.] I'm not stupid. Yes, yes you are. Created by DC Tom-bot, beta version 0.5. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted January 18, 2017 Share Posted January 18, 2017 And...you can CHOOSE to die young. You can CHOOSE to not use health care. You can do whatever the hell you want because that is what free people can do...make their own choices. Unless you're gatorman. Or baskin. Or PastaJoe. Or birdog. Or any other far left crazy who can't wipe their ass without getting toilet paper from the government. You can choose to die young? That's brilliant! I wish the GOP would just admit that's what they think and write that into the entitlement "reform" If that's what you think then we should raise your taxes because you don't care enough about anything to really give a darn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted January 18, 2017 Share Posted January 18, 2017 You can choose to die young? That's brilliant! I wish the GOP would just admit that's what they think and write that into the entitlement "reform" If that's what you think then we should raise your taxes because you don't care enough about anything to really give a darn As silly as choosing to to die young sounds at least it's not as scary as being forced to stay healthy sounds. I'll take silly over scary any day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted January 18, 2017 Share Posted January 18, 2017 You can choose to die young? That's brilliant! I wish the GOP would just admit that's what they think and write that into the entitlement "reform" If that's what you think then we should raise your taxes because you don't care enough about anything to really give a darn [This is an automated response.] I'm not stupid. Yes, yes you are. Created by DC Tom-bot, beta version 0.5. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted January 18, 2017 Share Posted January 18, 2017 As silly as choosing to to die young sounds at least it's not as scary as being forced to stay healthy sounds. I'll take silly over scary any day. Who is being forced to stay healthy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted January 18, 2017 Share Posted January 18, 2017 Who is being forced to stay healthy? You force the population to buy health insurance. An unhealthy population is expensive to insure. So the government is punishing bad/unhealthy behavior. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted January 18, 2017 Share Posted January 18, 2017 You force the population to buy health insurance. An unhealthy population is expensive to insure. So the government is punishing bad/unhealthy behavior. Oh, I thought you were after the government forcing us to eat greens. The buying of insurance is as much economics and making health care work as anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted January 18, 2017 Share Posted January 18, 2017 A Guide to the Republican Health-Care Debate by Yuval Levin A guide for the Perplexed (and stupid) http://www.nationalreview.com/article/443932/republican-health-care-debate-guide-perplexed-americans Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted January 18, 2017 Share Posted January 18, 2017 You can choose to die young? That's brilliant! I wish the GOP would just admit that's what they think and write that into the entitlement "reform" If that's what you think then we should raise your taxes because you don't care enough about anything to really give a darn anyone who likes bread and butter pickles over dill kosher should never be trusted.Who is being forced to stay healthy? its like people who eat roasts with horse radish. Why would you ruin a good roast with anything st all?Oh, I thought you were after the government forcing us to eat greens. The buying of insurance is as much economics and making health care work as anything. someone used hydraulic oil in an airline at work and it has locked up a bunch of our tools. Its been a headache. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted January 18, 2017 Share Posted January 18, 2017 Oh, I thought you were after the government forcing us to eat greens. The buying of insurance is as much economics and making health care work as anything. Not I'm after the government for punishing what they think is unhealthy behavior. You realize they've been doing that for years right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDBillzFan Posted January 18, 2017 Share Posted January 18, 2017 Oh, I thought you were after the government forcing us to eat greens. The buying of insurance is as much economics and making health care work as anything. No. ACA is about eliminating choice because of a political ideology. Period. You can not force free people to do something simply because you think it's a good idea, and not expect to wake up with nothing but control over the Greater Macungie Utilities Commission. May your party never, ever, ever understand that simple point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted January 18, 2017 Share Posted January 18, 2017 No. ACA is about eliminating choice because of a political ideology. Period. You can not force free people to do something simply because you think it's a good idea, and not expect to wake up with nothing but control over the Greater Macungie Utilities Commission. May your party never, ever, ever understand that simple point. Bull, it was sausage made in the political factory like most other laws Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted January 18, 2017 Share Posted January 18, 2017 (edited) Obamacare has cost roughly 300,000 small business jobs due to higher health care costs, according to a new report. The American Action Forum, a center-right policy institute, released findings Wednesday that rising premiums and regulations under the Affordable Care Act have had “dire” consequences for the labor market. The report found the law has cost $19 billion in lost wages per year and forced 10,000 small businesses establishments to close their doors. The study covered employers with 20 to 99 employees. “Research from the American Action Forum (AAF) finds regulations from the Affordable Care Act (ACA) are driving up health care premiums and are costing small business employees at least $19 billion in lost wages annually,” the report said. “These figures varied by state, but in 2015 the ACA cost year-round workers $2,095, $2,134, and $2,260 in Ohio, New York, and North Dakota, respectively.” “Premium increases, a prospect regulators predicted when issuing the first ACA regulations, also significantly diminished the number of business establishments and jobs nationwide,” the report said. “Across the country, small businesses (20-99 workers) lost 295,030 jobs, 10,130 business establishments, and $4.7 billion in total wage earnings. Florida lost 17,950 jobs; Ohio lost 19,000; Pennsylvania lost 15,680; and Texas lost 28,010 jobs due to higher sensitivity to rising health care premiums and the ACA.” Ben Gitis and Sam Batkins, the authors of the report, used data from the U.S. Census Bureau, the Medical Expenditure Panel Survey, and the Bureau of Labor Statistics for their findings. I’m old enough to remember when ObamaCare was spurring startups and creating small business jobs. Edited January 18, 2017 by B-Man Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted January 18, 2017 Share Posted January 18, 2017 No. ACA is about eliminating choice because of a political ideology. Period. You can not force free people to do something simply because you think it's a good idea, and not expect to wake up with nothing but control over the Greater Macungie Utilities Commission. May your party never, ever, ever understand that simple point. Bull, it was sausage made in the political factory like most other laws I've got to go with shitbird on this one. As it stands, it's a hash of bad ideas, ill-considered. If it were truly ideology-driven, it would be a much more socialist program. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary M Posted January 18, 2017 Share Posted January 18, 2017 (edited) Obamacare has cost roughly 300,000 small business jobs due to higher health care costs, according to a new report. The American Action Forum, a center-right policy institute, released findings Wednesday that rising premiums and regulations under the Affordable Care Act have had “dire” consequences for the labor market. The report found the law has cost $19 billion in lost wages per year and forced 10,000 small businesses establishments to close their doors. The study covered employers with 20 to 99 employees. “Research from the American Action Forum (AAF) finds regulations from the Affordable Care Act (ACA) are driving up health care premiums and are costing small business employees at least $19 billion in lost wages annually,” the report said. “These figures varied by state, but in 2015 the ACA cost year-round workers $2,095, $2,134, and $2,260 in Ohio, New York, and North Dakota, respectively.” “Premium increases, a prospect regulators predicted when issuing the first ACA regulations, also significantly diminished the number of business establishments and jobs nationwide,” the report said. “Across the country, small businesses (20-99 workers) lost 295,030 jobs, 10,130 business establishments, and $4.7 billion in total wage earnings. Florida lost 17,950 jobs; Ohio lost 19,000; Pennsylvania lost 15,680; and Texas lost 28,010 jobs due to higher sensitivity to rising health care premiums and the ACA.” Ben Gitis and Sam Batkins, the authors of the report, used data from the U.S. Census Bureau, the Medical Expenditure Panel Survey, and the Bureau of Labor Statistics for their findings. I’m old enough to remember when ObamaCare was spurring startups and creating small business jobs. Nonsense - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_o65vMUk5so Edited January 18, 2017 by Gary M Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDBillzFan Posted January 18, 2017 Share Posted January 18, 2017 I've got to go with shitbird on this one. As it stands, it's a hash of bad ideas, ill-considered. If it were truly ideology-driven, it would be a much more socialist program. But that's exactly what it ended up being: a mish-mash of bad ideas that were ideology-driven based on what they could pass at the time. There was no way they could get single-payer, so they went with eliminating choice to participate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nanker Posted January 18, 2017 Share Posted January 18, 2017 http://youtu.be/Pkqn6wsrUfs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted January 18, 2017 Share Posted January 18, 2017 But that's exactly what it ended up being: a mish-mash of bad ideas that were ideology-driven based on what they could pass at the time. There was no way they could get single-payer, so they went with eliminating choice to participate. God damn it, it's not "singer payer!" It's socialized medicine. Just call it what it is. I'm so sick of this "single payer" bull ****. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted January 18, 2017 Share Posted January 18, 2017 God damn it, it's not "singer payer!" It's socialized medicine. Just call it what it is. I'm so sick of this "single payer" bull ****. Is that kind of like singing for your supper? Because if I have to sing for my health care I'm !@#$ed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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