IDBillzFan Posted January 11, 2017 Share Posted January 11, 2017 Oh great, Doctors work for free now So you are completely unaware of how you can get health care without health insurance? It's amazing you're able to breathe on your own. If you are unable to understand something a 6-year-old can explain, I'll leave you to the Tom bot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted January 11, 2017 Share Posted January 11, 2017 (edited) Oh great, Doctors work for free now So the ACA just did nothing then? A pointless poster backing up a pointless point, how surprising. You are so worthless What an amazing life you have You have no idea how downright pleasant it is to let a computer deal with you while I go do something else. By they way, I pay my doctors, cash up front. Health care sans health insurance. I can do that, because health care and health insurance are not the same thing, dumbass. Edited January 11, 2017 by DC Tom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted January 11, 2017 Share Posted January 11, 2017 You have no idea how downright pleasant it is to let a computer deal with you while I go do something else. By they way, I pay my doctors, cash up front. Health care sans health insurance. I can do that, because health care and health insurance are not the same thing, dumbass. You don't read my posts except for when you do? So you are completely unaware of how you can get health care without health insurance? It's amazing you're able to breathe on your own. If you are unable to understand something a 6-year-old can explain, I'll leave you to the Tom bot. What if you can't afford the health care? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDBillzFan Posted January 11, 2017 Share Posted January 11, 2017 You don't read my posts except for when you do? What if you can't afford the health care? You'll need to be more specific. Why wouldn't someone be able to afford it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted January 11, 2017 Share Posted January 11, 2017 You'll need to be more specific. Why wouldn't someone be able to afford it? They don't have enough money, they spend all their wages on food, shelter and transportation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDBillzFan Posted January 11, 2017 Share Posted January 11, 2017 They don't have enough money, they spend all their wages on food, shelter and transportation What is their income? Full time or part time? How long have they been at their job? What kind of health care do they need that they are unable to afford? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted January 11, 2017 Share Posted January 11, 2017 What is their income? Full time or part time? How long have they been at their job? What kind of health care do they need that they are unable to afford? Why? You think there are not millions of people out there that cannot afford insurance? What is your point? I knew right from the start your argument of insurance/care was bunk, and here you are proving it by trying to drag the argument down the rabbit hole Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted January 11, 2017 Share Posted January 11, 2017 What if you can't afford the health care? What does that have to do with care and insurance being different things? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDBillzFan Posted January 11, 2017 Share Posted January 11, 2017 Why? You think there are not millions of people out there that cannot afford insurance? What is your point? I knew right from the start your argument of insurance/care was bunk, and here you are proving it by trying to drag the argument down the rabbit hole I didn't ask why they can't afford insurance. I asked specifics as to why they could not afford to pay for their care. Remember: care and insurance are two different things. How can we determine how to help someone if we don't know what is specifically keeping them from helping themselves? If we don't know why they are unable to pay for their care, and if we don't know how much the care costs, how are we supposed to determine a solution? Are you unable to have this discussion? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted January 11, 2017 Share Posted January 11, 2017 Are you unable to have this discussion? Rhetorical, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted January 11, 2017 Share Posted January 11, 2017 WHO IS REALLY COVERED BY OBAMACARE? https://youtu.be/zydOo7WNRp8 It might not be who you think. and those of you who can't think can just ignore it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted January 11, 2017 Share Posted January 11, 2017 I didn't ask why they can't afford insurance. I asked specifics as to why they could not afford to pay for their care. Remember: care and insurance are two different things. How can we determine how to help someone if we don't know what is specifically keeping them from helping themselves? If we don't know why they are unable to pay for their care, and if we don't know how much the care costs, how are we supposed to determine a solution? Are you unable to have this discussion? They just don't have the cash, like lots of Americans can. Sad, but a fact of life Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted January 11, 2017 Share Posted January 11, 2017 They just don't have the cash, like lots of Americans can. Sad, but a fact of life [This is an automated response.] You're not trying to make a point, you're just a jerk. Created by DC Tom-bot, beta version 0.5. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary M Posted January 11, 2017 Share Posted January 11, 2017 Why? You think there are not millions of people out there that cannot afford insurance care? What is your point? I knew right from the start your argument of insurance/care was bunk, and here you are proving it by trying to drag the argument down the rabbit hole fixed again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nanker Posted January 11, 2017 Share Posted January 11, 2017 I just modified the DC-Tom-bot last night to pick from a random list of insults when insulting gatorman. Would you mind if I added "You're not trying to make a point, you're just a jerk." to it? I just commented on that in a different thread. [This is an automated response.] You're not trying to make a point, you're just a jerk. Created by DC Tom-bot, beta version 0.5. Touché! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TH3 Posted January 11, 2017 Share Posted January 11, 2017 At least that's a new one. I pay less attention to the Republicans than just about anyone. And even I've seen their plans for health care reform. Did some Googling on proposed GOP health care structures.....They appear to be all "Fake News" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDBillzFan Posted January 11, 2017 Share Posted January 11, 2017 They just don't have the cash, like lots of Americans can. Sad, but a fact of life But "they don't have the cash" is a ridiculously relative term. Do they not have cash because they're poor or because they spend their money on the wrong things? How poor are they? What state do they live in? Do they qualify for Medicaid? What hospital is near them and what plan does their hospital have? Saying you're going to destroy health care for millions of people when you can't even answer these very, very simple questions means you are not serious about the topic. Get serious, would you? Stop looking for blame and start looking for answers. Or are you incapable of that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted January 11, 2017 Share Posted January 11, 2017 Did some Googling on proposed GOP health care structures.....They appear to be all "Fake News" All that tells me is you're too stupid to google. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted January 11, 2017 Share Posted January 11, 2017 What if you can't afford the health care? What if they can't afford the massive deductibles of their ACA plan? And I'm still waiting for your details on the pre and post ACA evil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OCinBuffalo Posted January 12, 2017 Share Posted January 12, 2017 (edited) At this point, I have a fairly decent handle on what the Rs plan to do with health care. This comes from my own work on the topic, as well as what I've been hearing from others. It's not definitive. But the notion that "Republicans have no plan"? That is definitively false. In general it is what I've been saying, in general, since 2008: HSA to cover day to day, huge pools of catastrophic sold over state lines. Pharma business done with the lowest bidder. Any of you investor types might want to consider online pharma wholesalers as a nice play to lay some cash. In fact, I wouldn't put it past Amazon to get into that business or Wal Mart, anybody who already has a huge online/shipping presence could make big bucks as a re-seller on economies of scale alone. If somebody were to apply for and get the necessary FDA docs, or already has them, Amazon would buy that startup just to avoid that process. The current pharmacies(companies who hospitals/nursing communities outsource their pharmacies, this includes pharmacists) will be in even more serious competition than they already are. Amazon may buy them. One thing is certain: the will be major disruptive change in the pharmacy business. Much depends on how the Health Care Savings Accounts(HSAs) will work. Understand HSAs aren't a silver bullet. IF they aren't structured properly, THEN, they can fail just as bad as Obamacare. Also, the entire "consumer choices in a market of options" is touch and go. Due to the consolidation of health care systems that was the provider's pain response to Obamacare...there may not be as much choice as is thought. If the hospital system a doctor works for sets a uniform price/hr or service for her and the other 6 doctors she works with that do the same thing, and, there's only 1 system in the area? So much for market competition. However, depending again on how the HSAs/reimbursement works...the new plan may cause doctors to leave the systems they now work for because they can make more on their own. Or, there may be some sort of hybridization, where the doctors half-leave the system, do their own practice, but pay a monthly fee to the system for admin. What is known as a service bureau approach. A lot of small banks in the Midwest do this. Where the nurses end up in this is anyone's guess. Does the doctor rent them too? This is a big deal, because nursing activity represents a lot more of your fee for service, from start to finish, than doctoring does. This is especially true for chronic illness treatment. So, nothing is cut and dried here. However, if this is done right? Trump may have a serious win on his hands, one that will guarantee a 2nd term. EDIT: there's another investment opportunity here as well. But? That is for me to know, and hopefully few others to figure out. Edited January 12, 2017 by OCinBuffalo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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