reddogblitz Posted October 6, 2016 Share Posted October 6, 2016 (edited) Obama and other progressives saw this as an opportunity to get through "universal" healthcare and he was going to ram it through at all costs. Why didn't they just do that then? They had the power in Congress/President and enough votes to pass whatever was introduced. Seems they could easily have rammed "Universal" Health Care through if that's really what they wanted to do. Edited October 6, 2016 by reddogblitz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted October 6, 2016 Share Posted October 6, 2016 Why didn't they just do that then? They had the power in Congress/President and enough votes to pass whatever was introduced. Seems they could easily have rammed "Universal" Health Care down our throats if that's really what they wanted to do. Because they get paid by the insurance lobby too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted October 6, 2016 Share Posted October 6, 2016 Because they get paid by the insurance lobby too. Yup Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magox Posted October 6, 2016 Share Posted October 6, 2016 Why didn't they just do that then? They had the power in Congress/President and enough votes to pass whatever was introduced. Seems they could easily have rammed "Universal" Health Care through if that's really what they wanted to do. Because they invested so much time and capital on Obamacare, they thought they'd peel off a few Republican votes and miscalculated the opposition to it. Also, at that time they didn't suffer all the house/senate seats as a result of Obamacare, they were being told that they could stave a historic midterm route if they stuck to their guns on selling Obamacare to the public. The idea that they were going to all of a sudden switch from Obamacare to Single Payer didn't even enter the minds of any of the decision makers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unbillievable Posted October 6, 2016 Share Posted October 6, 2016 Liberals: The only way to get Obamacare to work now is to go full retard! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted October 7, 2016 Share Posted October 7, 2016 Here’s Why Democrats Aren’t Talking About Health Care This Year Let’s check in on how the Affordable Care Act is doing out there in the states. Sorry about those premium hikes, Delawareans! http://www.wboc.com/story/33338514/delawareans-facing-higher-premiums-under-affordable-care-act Insurance Commissioner Karen Weldin Stewart has approved an average rate increase of 32.5 percent in the individual market for Highmark Blue Cross Blue Shield of Delaware, which has the vast majority of the individual market share in Delaware. Sorry about the lack of options, Iowans! http://www.omaha.com/livewellnebraska/health/iowa-counties-to-have-only-one-health-insurance-provider-option/article_d46532d6-9213-536b-85c7-cc14f575b2c4.html Iowa’s state insurance division said residents in 13 rural counties who want to buy subsidized health insurance under the Affordable Care Act will have just one provider to choose from for 2017. Sorry you had to pay giant premium hikes and still lost your plan, Tennesseans! http://www.timesfreepress.com/news/business/aroundregion/story/2016/sep/27/bluecross-scales-back-obamacare-plans-tenness/388801/ After losing nearly $500 million on its individual health plans offered through the Affordable Care Act over the past three years, Tennessee’s biggest health insurer isscaling back its participation in the so-called ObamaCare program, even after regulators granted the company a record 62 percent rate hike for next year. Sorry about the reduced work week and smaller paychecks, Wisconsin! http://host.madison.com/ct/news/local/education/university/uw-madison-cuts-student-workers-hours-citing-affordable-care-act/article_fb5bac68-5ad2-5209-a77e-68dba043332a.html?utm_source=Sailthru&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Issue%3A%202016-09-28%20Higher%20Ed%20Education%20Dive%20Newsletter%20%5Bissue%3A7416%5D&utm_term=Education%20Dive%3A%20Higher%20EdUW-Madison is cutting the work week of its student employees to no more than 29 hours to conform to requirements of the Affordable Care Act, sorry you can’t keep your plan, Nebraskans! http://www.1011now.com/content/news/Blue-Cross-Blue-Shield-of-Nebraska-withdraws-from-Affordable-Care-Act-394610281.html Blue Cross Blue Shield of Nebraska has announced that it will not sell individual health insurance in Nebraska on the marketplace under the Affordable Care Act. New Jerseyans… you know the drill. http://www.philly.com/philly/business/Affordable-Care-Act-losses-land-NJ-health-insurer-.html President Obama calls the Affordable Care Act, “a huge success, but it’s got real problems.” Some might argue those two assessments are contradictory. Read more at: http://www.nationalreview.com/corner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted October 7, 2016 Share Posted October 7, 2016 Hey Republicans, Time to Limit or Scrap the Judgment Fund by Andrew C McCarthy Those of us who believe the impending collapse of Obamacare is by design, not defect, are not surprised by the death spiral’s latest swirl, described in a Washington Examiner op-ed by the Pacific Research Institute’s Sally Pipes. In a nutshell, big insurers are fleeing Obamacare exchanges because of inevitable, crushing losses. The insurers want a bailout. Obama wants to give them one. He knows the Republican-controlled Congress will not help him – at least not directly. So the president is scheming to use the slush most beloved of the White House and mullahs of Tehran: the “Judgment Fund.” Can it save Obamacare, or at least stop the bleeding? Well, that depends on whether you believe Obamacare is meant to be saved. The goal-line for Hillary Clinton and other backers of the president’s signature “achievement” has always been fully socialized, single-payer, government-rationed medical care. The meltdown of the exchanges ostensibly seems like a catastrophe, but it is a planned catastrophe: Trigger an unaffordability crisis, prompting cries that only government can fix the government-created mess. Those cries can already be heard. Much has been made of Bill Clinton’s accidentally telling the truth about the Obamacare – that it’s “the craziest thing in the world” to have “this crazy system” in which working people “wind up with their premiums doubled and their coverage cut in half.” But it is crazy like a fox, which the former president and his wife know because they are the foxes. The Clintons, like the incumbent president, want to “fix” the quite intentionally crazy system with ever more government control and socialization of costs. Remarkably, the Democrats’ contrived disaster is not much of an issue in the 2016 campaign. For the second straight time, Republicans have nominated for president a devotee of government-controlled health care. As one would figure, Donald Trump seems unable to exploit the unfolding folly of government-controlled health care or to refute the Left’s proposals for more government control. Meantime, Obama’s immediate problem is how to redistribute more billions of taxpayer dollars to the big insurers who implement the highly regulated exchanges. {snip} The challenge for our lawless president is the usual one: the law. Congress dictated that the risk-corridor program had to be budget-neutral. As Pipes elaborates, this means “the money paid out to insurers could not exceed the money collected.” Since not nearly enough money was collected on the profit side, the loss side received just 12.6 percent of its total claims – those insurers are billions in the hole. How will they recoup these (inevitable) losses? Congress does not appear inclined – at least before the election – to enact a bailout. Consequently, Obama is poised to go with what we might call the Iran Plan: Nod-and-a-wink lawsuits by the insurers, which the administration will “settle” by paying in judgments what Congress won’t provide in legislation. Recall Obama’s recently revealed $1.7 billion ransom payment to the ayatollahs for the release of four American hostages held by the regime. The president was well aware that Congress would never approve such a payment (which would have involved at least $1.3 billion to supplement the $400 million the executive branch was holding from a failed shah-era arms deal). So the administration quietly arranged to settle a suit brought by Iran, agreeing to pay the additional $1.3 billion out of the Judgment Fund. To ensure that no one would be any the wiser, Treasury made 13 transfers of $99,999,999.99, with no mention of Iran in the Judgment Fund’s public listings – just an acknowledgment that the transfers involved some undescribed matter (or matters) in which the State Department was a party. Had the stellar investigative journalist Claudia Rosett not discovered the transfers, we would probably still be in the dark about how Obama came up with the money. At the time, Ms. Rosett reported that the Treasury Department describes the Judgment Fund as a “permanent, indefinite appropriation” available to pay legal judgments against federal agencies “where funds are not legally available to pay the award from the agency’s own appropriations.” As I countered, there is only one reason why funds would not be “legally available to pay . . . from an agency’s own appropriations”: namely, that Congress has not made an appropriation that gives the agency permission to pay the funds in question. That is supposed to mean the agency does not pay. Obama is using the Judgment Fund as a limitless credit line to pay out any amounts he chooses, no matter how exorbitant, when Congress won’t cooperate by appropriating funds. It’s a simple device: encourage the party the White House wants to pay off to file a lawsuit against the United States; regardless of how frivolous the legal claim may be, the Justice Department in its discretion chooses to settle the case. The Judgment Fund is then tapped to pay the settlement. Who needs Congress? Well, the Constitution says the president needs Congress. Under Article I, section 9, “No Money shall be drawn from the Treasury but in Consequence of Appropriations made by Law[.]” Article I makes clear that appropriations may only be made by Congress. It is an essential limitation on executive power. There cannot legitimately be a “permanent, indefinite appropriation” that enables the president to pay any obligation he unilaterally chooses to impose on taxpayers. Congress must act to end this corrupt device. Either defund the Judgment Fund or set strict limits that require the administration to seek individual congressional appropriations for judgments above a certain amount (say, $1 million), and judgments of certain types (e.g., payments to countries on the list of state sponsors of terrorism, or payments to parties for whom Congress has already provided a set amount in the budget). In the unlikely event that the Constitution permits a “permanent, indefinite appropriation,” President Obama plainly cannot be trusted to administer it. Congress must either tightly regulate resort to the Judgment Fund or scrap it entirely. Otherwise, future presidents will rely on Obama’s imperial precedent, undoing a crucial protection against autocratic government. https://pjmedia.com/andrewmccarthy/2016/10/07/hey-republicans-time-to-limit-or-scrap-the-judgment-fund/?singlepage=true Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted October 9, 2016 Share Posted October 9, 2016 Why didn't they just do that then? They had the power in Congress/President and enough votes to pass whatever was introduced. Seems they could easily have rammed "Universal" Health Care through if that's really what they wanted to do. Insurance lobby/ Pharmacuetical lobby killed it. They should have just scrapped ACA at that point because anything potentially good in it was gone at that point. The uninsured were getting care anyway, just everyone else was paying for it . Ok it fixed the problem with preexisting conditions , but still a pice of garbage as a whole. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted October 10, 2016 Share Posted October 10, 2016 IF YOU LIKE YOUR DOCTOR, THEY SAID, YOU CAN KEEP YOUR DOCTOR, THEY SAID: To Keep Obamacare Viable, Insurers Are Restricting Access To Doctors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted October 10, 2016 Share Posted October 10, 2016 IF YOU LIKE YOUR DOCTOR, THEY SAID, YOU CAN KEEP YOUR DOCTOR, THEY SAID: To Keep Obamacare Viable, Insurers Are Restricting Access To Doctors. No !@#$ing ****. How else were they going to control costs? How is this news? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grinreaper Posted October 10, 2016 Share Posted October 10, 2016 No !@#$ing ****. How else were they going to control costs? How is this news? It's not news to anyone with a brain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted October 12, 2016 Share Posted October 12, 2016 Belated epiphany alert! Minnesota’s liberal governor wakes up to reality of Obamacare Gov. Dayton Says Affordable Care Act 'No Longer Affordable' « WCCO | CBS Minnesota CBS Local - Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDBillzFan Posted October 12, 2016 Share Posted October 12, 2016 Belated epiphany alert! Minnesota’s liberal governor wakes up to reality of Obamacare Gov. Dayton Says Affordable Care Act 'No Longer Affordable' « WCCO | CBS Minnesota CBS Local - Damn those Republicans for this godawful legislation! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakeYouToTasker Posted October 12, 2016 Share Posted October 12, 2016 Belated epiphany alert! Minnesota’s liberal governor wakes up to reality of Obamacare Gov. Dayton Says Affordable Care Act 'No Longer Affordable' « WCCO | CBS Minnesota CBS Local - "Health care insurance shoppers [in MN] will see premium increases that range from 50 percent to 67 percent on their plans for next year." Why, who ever could have predicted it?!?!? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magox Posted October 12, 2016 Share Posted October 12, 2016 (edited) Belated epiphany alert! Minnesota’s liberal governor wakes up to reality of Obamacare Gov. Dayton Says Affordable Care Act 'No Longer Affordable' « WCCO | CBS Minnesota CBS Local - I remember having epic arguments with KellytheDog on Obamacare, respectful arguments, he at least was able to put together coherent logical arguments in making his case, but this was all predicted. I saw him peek in here the other day for a split second, would love to hear what he has to say today on this topic. Edited October 12, 2016 by Magox Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDBillzFan Posted October 12, 2016 Share Posted October 12, 2016 I remember having epic arguments with KellytheDog on Obamacare, respectful arguments, he at least was able to put together coherent logical arguments in making his case, but this was all predicted. I saw him peek in here the other day for a split second, would love to hear what he has to say today on this topic. One thing about K-dog...he's never afraid to admit when he's wrong. He'd be a good contributor back here, but I don't blame him for sitting it out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magox Posted October 12, 2016 Share Posted October 12, 2016 One thing about K-dog...he's never afraid to admit when he's wrong. He'd be a good contributor back here, but I don't blame him for sitting it out. For sure. I do miss the back-and-forths. There really isn't anyone aside from TPS from the other side (Occasionally lybob- I'm sure you'd disagree) that puts up good counter arguments. Instead, I have to waste time arguing with a bunch of nincompoops who can't even comprehend what they read or differentiate between what is a fact and an opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted October 12, 2016 Share Posted October 12, 2016 One thing about K-dog...he's never afraid to admit when he's wrong. He'd be a good contributor back here, but I don't blame him for sitting it out. He's told me several times, PPP made him hate some of his favorite TSW/OTW posters, hence his absence. And he's got a point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted October 12, 2016 Share Posted October 12, 2016 He's told me several times, PPP made him hate some of his favorite TSW/OTW posters, hence his absence. And he's got a point. I discovered the solution to that problem years ago. Hate everyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted October 12, 2016 Share Posted October 12, 2016 I discovered the solution to that problem years ago. Hate everyone. Some of us still have love in our hearts, Tom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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