B-Man Posted February 3, 2014 Posted February 3, 2014 How ObamaCare Misreads America:The Washington elites who designed the law must be bewildered: Why doesn't everyone behave as they do? by Michael Barone People learn from their mistakes. Or they can—and should. Which is the reason we should try to learn from the revelations of mistakes about health care and health insurance since the passage of ObamaCare. The evidence is not all in. But it seems that Americans are not behaving as ObamaCare's architects—and many critics—expected. Start with the assumption that just about everyone wants health insurance. You can easily find polls that support this proposition. ObamaCare architects assumed that if you offered health insurance with subsidies for those with relatively modest incomes, those currently uninsured would flock to apply. So far that seems not to have happened. A McKinsey & Co. survey of those thought to be eligible for ObamaCare health-care exchanges found that only 11% of those who bought new coverage between November 2013 and January 2014 were previously uninsured. {snip} A second assumption of ObamaCare's architects is that health insurance will make people healthier. That assumption has been tested in Oregon. In 2008 the state government, with limited Medicaid funds, held a lottery to determine which people who were eligible for Medicaid would be enrolled. The result was an unusual randomized control trial of similarly motivated people with and without insurance. The results, reported in the May 2013 New England Journal of Medicine, were that after two years there was no significant difference between insured and uninsured in blood-sugar level, blood pressure and cholesterol levels—although those with Medicaid saved money and were less likely to suffer depression. A third assumption is that those with health insurance are more likely to seek care from physicians and less likely to go to emergency rooms. But the Oregon health study showed that those with Medicaid were 40% more likely to go to emergency rooms than those without insurance. More at link: http://online.wsj.co...Opinion_LEADTop
Doc Posted February 3, 2014 Posted February 3, 2014 Democratic: the party of high expectations and low results.
Nanker Posted February 3, 2014 Posted February 3, 2014 and blaming someone else when their expectations aren't met.
B-Man Posted February 3, 2014 Posted February 3, 2014 Democratic: the party of high expectations and low results. The Democrat Party Doc, not Democratic.......................there's nothing Democratic about it.
IDBillzFan Posted February 3, 2014 Posted February 3, 2014 and blaming someone else when their expectations aren't met. And explaining, as president, that while playing football is dangerous, smoking dope is like having a beer.
Doc Posted February 3, 2014 Posted February 3, 2014 The Democrat Party Doc, not Democratic.......................there's nothing Democratic about it. My bad.
IDBillzFan Posted February 3, 2014 Posted February 3, 2014 Stories of Obamacare destruction are flowing out like water now. Emilie Lamb...prepare for your audit. Betrayed by the President and Obamacare Prior to ObamaCare, I bought my health insurance through CoverTN, a program run by the state of Tennessee. The coverage was perfectly suited to my unique medical condition. It offered me low premiums, a low deductible and low co-pays for my regular trips to doctors and specialists. This plan was perfect for someone with my unique medical condition and limited financial means. My plan was canceled last fall. According to the regulators behind ObamaCare, it was a subpar plan that should no longer be sold to consumers. Another 16,000 Tennesseans on the same plan were similarly dumped. Many, like me, liked their plans and wanted to keep them. This wasn’t my insurer’s fault at all. CoverTN actually fought for me to keep my health care. After I received my cancellation notice, the folks at CoverTN requested that the federal government give them a waiver, which would let them grandfather my plan into ObamaCare. Their request was rejected. This left me with no health plan and only one choice: Buy a plan through the ObamaCare exchanges. After weighing my options, I settled on a “platinum” plan. This was the best plan that I could choose. A “bronze,” “silver” or “gold” plan all would leave me paying exorbitant amounts of money on my frequent, and expensive, trips to doctors and specialists. But the platinum plan was the lesser of two expensive evils. My new plan costs me $373 a month, even after a small subsidy. By comparison, my old plan only cost me $57 a month. And I now pay 25 percent co-insurance on all doctor visits until I reach my out-of-pocket maximum of $1,500. This is much higher than under CoverTN. All told, I’m likely going to pay more than $6,000 more each year for my medical care.
IDBillzFan Posted February 4, 2014 Posted February 4, 2014 More good news, everyone!! CBO: Obamacare pushing 2 million out of workforce. This reminds me of the old days when Democrats loves to cite the CBO as a non-partisan group strictly dealing with the numbers in front of them.
B-Man Posted February 4, 2014 Posted February 4, 2014 Obamacare – The incompetence and denials keep comingby Ed Rogers Two stories converge today to illuminate how the White House and the Democratic establishment are attempting to hide the next wave of Obamacare failures. Both Post stories reveal how the president and Democratic leaders at the state level are hiding problems with Obamacare instead of confronting and fixing problems. First, Amy Goldstein of The Post reveals that the appeals process guaranteed in the Obamacare law does not actually exist. The story outlines an almost comical process that requires citizens who seek a fair hearing to have an innocent, HealthCare.gov-generated mistake corrected to fill out a seven-page paper form that is then inexplicably shipped to Kentucky, where it is entered into a government database that isn’t actually connected to anything. It’s a digital dead end for those who dare to complain. Typical. As a result, 22,000 Americans who have submitted an appeals request remain without proper coverage and they have no recourse. And, according to The Post, in the latest show of non-transparency from this administration, officials have “not made public the fact that the appeals system for the online marketplace is not working.” {snip} Next, The Post’s Jenna Johnson and Mary Pat Flaherty outline how Maryland state officials are trying to block an investigation into the debacle of the state health insurance exchange Web site, which has been plagued with operational problems since day one. More at link: http://www.washingto...ls-keep-coming/
OCinBuffalo Posted February 4, 2014 Posted February 4, 2014 (edited) More good news, everyone!! CBO: Obamacare pushing 2 million out of workforce. This reminds me of the old days when Democrats loves to cite the CBO as a non-partisan group strictly dealing with the numbers in front of them. This report is damning. Absolutely F you damning. The usual fools begin denigrating the CBO in 5...4...3... and, yes, the irony is that the very same CBO was "inviolate", when they were being handed cooked books by the Democrats...in a lame effort to prove this thing was deficit neutral. Remember the Medicare/Obamacare "savings" double counting? Well, now we see empirical evidence of the double counting. And, Maryland's entire system is days away from imploding. Oregon is also in big trouble, because it's about to come out that they scammed the Feds. EDIT: Oh, and one last thing. Nothing like a system that can do "insert" but can't do "update" eh, Chef/4mer? Still want to tell me this thing is "working"? Clowns. Your credibility is absolutely gone on this issue. But, keep telling us about F'ing Google. Edited February 4, 2014 by OCinBuffalo
B-Man Posted February 4, 2014 Posted February 4, 2014 The embarassment continues........................ Apparently Your Pets Want You to Get Obamacare http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DPkxjgFsMfc Enroll America president Ann Fillipic told USA Today that this campaign aims to reach young women, nothing that “more than half of female pet owners would risk their lives for their pets” (those crazy cat ladies definitely need health insurance, in other words). She also conceded to the paper that ”there have been challenges in getting messages out” about the new law. Presumably singing parrots will remedy that. .
TakeYouToTasker Posted February 4, 2014 Posted February 4, 2014 My tax dollars went... they... they went to... to THAT?!?!? Oh, for !@#$ sake...
3rdnlng Posted February 4, 2014 Posted February 4, 2014 (edited) Hackers for Obama: http://www.americant...government.html Developers linked to the government of Belarus may have placed malicious code inside the healthcare.gov website allowing it to hack into the personal information of consumers. No - I'm serious. Washington Free Beacon: U.S. intelligence agencies last week urged the Obama administration to check its new healthcare network for malicious software after learning that developers linked to the Belarus government helped produce the website, raising fresh concerns that private data posted by millions of Americans will be compromised. The intelligence agencies notified the ]Department of Health and Human Services, the agency in charge of the Healthcare.gov network, about their concerns last week. Specifically, officials warned that programmers in Belarus, a former Soviet republic closely allied with Russia, were suspected of inserting malicious code that could be used for cyber attacks, according to U.S. officials familiar with the concerns. Read more: http://www.americant...l#ixzz2sO02hq00 Follow us: @AmericanThinker on Twitter | AmericanThinker on Facebook Edited February 4, 2014 by 3rdnlng
LeviF Posted February 4, 2014 Posted February 4, 2014 I, for one, welcome our new Belorussian overlords.
3rdnlng Posted February 4, 2014 Posted February 4, 2014 I, for one, welcome our new Belorussian overlords. If you like your overlord you can keep you overlord. Period.
IDBillzFan Posted February 4, 2014 Posted February 4, 2014 I, for one, welcome our new Belorussian overlords. I'm with you. It'll be nice to see the country tack to the right a little bit.
IDBillzFan Posted February 4, 2014 Posted February 4, 2014 Ladies and gentlemen, your commander in chief... A fast food fry cook explains during a Google Hangout that his company is cutting back hours because of Obamacare, and he's been unable to get a union started. Obama understands...and the solution? Congress needs to raise minimum wage. It's almost like he's just making things up as he goes. http://youtu.be/f5rzRMCmeeE
birdog1960 Posted February 4, 2014 Posted February 4, 2014 This report is damning. Absolutely F you damning. The usual fools begin denigrating the CBO in 5...4...3... and, yes, the irony is that the very same CBO was "inviolate", when they were being handed cooked books by the Democrats...in a lame effort to prove this thing was deficit neutral. Remember the Medicare/Obamacare "savings" double counting? Well, now we see empirical evidence of the double counting. And, Maryland's entire system is days away from imploding. Oregon is also in big trouble, because it's about to come out that they scammed the Feds. EDIT: Oh, and one last thing. Nothing like a system that can do "insert" but can't do "update" eh, Chef/4mer? Still want to tell me this thing is "working"? Clowns. Your credibility is absolutely gone on this issue. But, keep telling us about F'ing Google. except that it isn't: http://finance.yahoo.com/blogs/the-exchange/obamacare-remakes-the-economy--and-it-s-not-all-that-bad-202655235.html. it's a recurring theme: things are almost nerver as simple as you all make them out to be.
B-Man Posted February 4, 2014 Posted February 4, 2014 except that it isn't: http://finance.yahoo...-202655235.html. it's a recurring theme: things are almost nerver as simple as you all make them out to be. Oh the irony. From the Yahoo article that supposedly refutes the CBO............... "But it’s not, exactly [bad]. Those 2 million jobs don’t represent people who will be fired or denied work because of Obamacare. They represent people who hold a job primarily for the healthcare benefits provided by their employer, and might choose not to work it they could get coverage some other way." In other words the writer thinks that rather than having people work and earn their healthcare, it is better for them to quit work, and head to the government to get free healthcare!! This article is just spin, that is quickly gobbled up by those who want to believe. and then those of us who have read 5 or 6 different articles on the CBO report today are (laughingly) told that this one opinion piece by Rick Newman is some type of counter to common sense. Hilarious. .
birdog1960 Posted February 5, 2014 Posted February 5, 2014 Oh the irony. From the Yahoo article that supposedly refutes the CBO............... In other words the writer thinks that rather than having people work and earn their healthcare, it is better for them to quit work, and head to the government to get free healthcare!! This article is just spin, that is quickly gobbled up by those who want to believe. and then those of us who have read 5 or 6 different articles on the CBO report today are (laughingly) told that this one opinion piece by Rick Newman is some type of counter to common sense. Hilarious. . unfortunately it's not ironic that you miss so many important points here. we don't have a shortage of labor. we have a shortage of jobs. and it will get worse as was so aptly pointed out in the "economist" article that gg recently linked. for all your sides whining about the bad parenting done by the poor, might having one parent at home caring for the kids be preferable to both parents away working to pay for health insurance. i know plenty of folks who work for nothing other than health insurance ( i personally used to employ several). wouldn't it be helpful to the unemployment rate to free up those jobs to heads of households that need the income more than the insurance?
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