Keukasmallies Posted September 11, 2018 Share Posted September 11, 2018 On 9/9/2018 at 2:14 PM, Koko78 said: Mythbusters proved that you can, in fact, shine turds. Ah, but consider the entire continuum of solid human excretions from liquid to solid; then determine a mid-point and ask yourself, "Did myth busters use the liquid or the solid end of the continuum for their little TV extravaganza?" Liquid, I think not! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted September 11, 2018 Share Posted September 11, 2018 19 minutes ago, Keukasmallies said: Ah, but consider the entire continuum of solid human excretions from liquid to solid; then determine a mid-point and ask yourself, "Did myth busters use the liquid or the solid end of the continuum for their little TV extravaganza?" Liquid, I think not! So, you can't tellshit from Shinola? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koko78 Posted September 11, 2018 Share Posted September 11, 2018 35 minutes ago, Keukasmallies said: Ah, but consider the entire continuum of solid human excretions from liquid to solid; then determine a mid-point and ask yourself, "Did myth busters use the liquid or the solid end of the continuum for their little TV extravaganza?" Liquid, I think not! Liquid tends to be shiny anyhow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted September 11, 2018 Share Posted September 11, 2018 10 minutes ago, 3rdnlng said: So, you can't tellshit from Shinola? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keukasmallies Posted September 11, 2018 Share Posted September 11, 2018 4 hours ago, 3rdnlng said: So, you can't tellshit from Shinola? 4 hours ago, Koko78 said: Liquid tends to be shiny anyhow. Probably not the consistency to take a good spit shine, eh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keepthefaith Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 (edited) Today we got our renewal for our company insurance which renews 12/1. A 40% increase! Not 38% or 39%, 40 friggin percent. We had a very slight demographic shift since last year but I do mean slight. It's utterly ridiculous. We'll shop the other 3 major carriers in the state but I'll wager heavily none of them will be different in any meaningful way. It's outrageous, but just like Fedex and UPS are to shipping, we are a captive insurance market. Our choice is basically between nothing and what the monopoly offers. Edited September 12, 2018 by keepthefaith Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 23 minutes ago, keepthefaith said: Today we got our renewal for our company insurance which renews 12/1. A 40% increase! Not 38% or 39%, 40 friggin percent. We had a very slight demographic shift since last year but I do mean slight. It's utterly ridiculous. We'll shop the other 3 major carriers in the state but I'll wager heavily none of them will be different in any meaningful way. It's one of the features of the ACA: the specificity of what insurance may and may not cover leads to everyone offering largely the same thing at largely the same price - even the networks don't usually differ materially. You have an increase in choice...but a decrease in actual options, since your choices are all the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keepthefaith Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 1 hour ago, DC Tom said: It's one of the features of the ACA: the specificity of what insurance may and may not cover leads to everyone offering largely the same thing at largely the same price - even the networks don't usually differ materially. You have an increase in choice...but a decrease in actual options, since your choices are all the same. Thank you. I feel much better now knowing there isn't an effing thing we can do. Why waste the energy and emotion on it. Better to invest my time reading about why the Bills suck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 31 minutes ago, keepthefaith said: Thank you. I feel much better now knowing there isn't an effing thing we can do. Why waste the energy and emotion on it. Better to invest my time reading about why the Bills suck. It's to prepare you for socialized medicine, when you don't even have the illusion of choice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 17 hours ago, Nanker said: Americans like free stuff. However, there is no such thing as a free lunch. Damned if you do. Damned if you don't when it comes to passing federal health care legislation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keepthefaith Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 10 hours ago, Doc Brown said: Damned if you do. Damned if you don't when it comes to passing federal health care legislation. Big shock most people polled want someone else to pay for something expensive and that the uptick in poll support mirrors the big cost increases and mandates from the Obamacare rollout. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted October 8, 2018 Share Posted October 8, 2018 (edited) Vox tackles the Scooby Doo mystery of what changed in the past 10 years to make health insurance deductibles go up Vox is trying to figure out what possibly could have happened in the last 10 years to affect insurance deductibles like this? https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2018/10/07/vox-tackles-the-scooby-doo-mystery-of-what-changed-in-the-past-10-years-to-make-health-insurance-deductibles-go-up/?utm_campaign=twitchywidget Quote Vox ✔@voxdotcom Just a decade ago, the average American with employer-sponsored coverage had a deductible of $303. Flash forward just one decade, and that number now sits at $1,350. https://bit.ly/2Nrtnbl Can you think of anything? Edited October 8, 2018 by B-Man Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
/dev/null Posted October 8, 2018 Share Posted October 8, 2018 47 minutes ago, B-Man said: Vox tackles the Scooby Doo mystery of what changed in the past 10 years to make health insurance deductibles go up Vox is trying to figure out what possibly could have happened in the last 10 years to affect insurance deductibles like this? https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2018/10/07/vox-tackles-the-scooby-doo-mystery-of-what-changed-in-the-past-10-years-to-make-health-insurance-deductibles-go-up/?utm_campaign=twitchywidget Can you think of anything? Considering Vox's previous articles and the image they provided, I'm going to venture a guess they blame white people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaska Darin Posted October 8, 2018 Author Share Posted October 8, 2018 On 12/7/2017 at 5:10 PM, DC Tom said: Because police shot blacks at a higher rate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koko78 Posted October 8, 2018 Share Posted October 8, 2018 10 hours ago, B-Man said: Vox tackles the Scooby Doo mystery of what changed in the past 10 years to make health insurance deductibles go up Vox is trying to figure out what possibly could have happened in the last 10 years to affect insurance deductibles like this? https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2018/10/07/vox-tackles-the-scooby-doo-mystery-of-what-changed-in-the-past-10-years-to-make-health-insurance-deductibles-go-up/?utm_campaign=twitchywidget Can you think of anything? GOP obstructionism and Trump. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted October 9, 2018 Share Posted October 9, 2018 More on the VOX "story" A Vox mystery: Why have deductibles risen eight times faster than wages since 2008? ED MORRISSEY Oct 08, 2018 4:01 PM ..........Elementary. . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted October 9, 2018 Share Posted October 9, 2018 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keepthefaith Posted October 9, 2018 Share Posted October 9, 2018 53 minutes ago, B-Man said: More on the VOX "story" A Vox mystery: Why have deductibles risen eight times faster than wages since 2008? ED MORRISSEY Oct 08, 2018 4:01 PM ..........Elementary. . Good article. Short and hits the high points. Health insurance is a mess for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plenzmd1 Posted October 9, 2018 Share Posted October 9, 2018 I must admit a am a true neophyte when it comes to this health care mess we are in. Such a huge part of our economy, I really should understand more than I do and have a firmer grip on the realities, not the talking points. Having said that, thought i would share with the board that my wife recently had surgery to remove about a 10-inch section of her colon( not cancerous, but had to go). Thought she would be hospital 3 days, ended up being 6. Received the statement from the hospital today. IV Tylenol for pain. $600/pop Fluids/saline IV.. $400 a pop Sterile Items( not sure what that is $2000 Tums $60 All told, $58,000 for a 6 day hospital stay(surgeons fee not included, that was an additional $6K in separate bill) that was all about pain management. Never in ICU, never any additional scans/tests after the surgery outside of blood work to make sure no infection...they just wanted her there as her pain was greater than they expected. WOW..we are on an HSA High Deductible and had already hit deductible so we pay $0..but Aetna paying them $43K..holy moly. Something wrong somewhere Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koko78 Posted October 9, 2018 Share Posted October 9, 2018 There's a reason that hospitals have been so hostile to being forced to display their pricing structure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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