B-Man Posted July 17, 2017 Share Posted July 17, 2017 RAND PAUL: Retaining instead of repealing Obamacare will be Republicans’ undoing. If we are to subsidize health insurance, why not food? Or water? Or housing? You may respond, yes, but we already do that. You are right we have subsidized, for the poor, food and housing, but we didn’t, until now, attempt to subsidize a market item for all. With this bill, Senate Republicans declare they have overcome Hayek’s protestations about the pretense of knowledge — the idea that no central planner can know enough to engineer an economy successfully. With this bill, Senate Republicans declare they have the knowledge to determine and correct prices for millions of Americans who purchase health insurance. Pretense? You bet it is. Markets are incredibly complex interactions between millions of people in a nearly simultaneous bazaar of trading. No one man or woman possesses that knowledge, so anyone who sets or attempts to set prices for health insurance is doomed to fail. And mark my words, this Senate Healthcare bill will fail just as its twin Obamacare has, for they suffer from the same pretense of knowledge. No one is smart enough to plan even the simplest of marketplace prices — no matter how much data is available. Entitlements are just as addicting for politicians of either party as they are for their beneficiaries — a fact Democrats have been counting on for generations. Reminder: MICHAEL WALSH: The Coming GOP Electoral ‘Health Care’ Disaster.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magox Posted July 17, 2017 Share Posted July 17, 2017 RAND PAUL: Retaining instead of repealing Obamacare will be Republicans’ undoing. If we are to subsidize health insurance, why not food? Or water? Or housing? You may respond, yes, but we already do that. You are right we have subsidized, for the poor, food and housing, but we didn’t, until now, attempt to subsidize a market item for all. With this bill, Senate Republicans declare they have overcome Hayek’s protestations about the pretense of knowledge — the idea that no central planner can know enough to engineer an economy successfully. With this bill, Senate Republicans declare they have the knowledge to determine and correct prices for millions of Americans who purchase health insurance. Pretense? You bet it is. Markets are incredibly complex interactions between millions of people in a nearly simultaneous bazaar of trading. No one man or woman possesses that knowledge, so anyone who sets or attempts to set prices for health insurance is doomed to fail. And mark my words, this Senate Healthcare bill will fail just as its twin Obamacare has, for they suffer from the same pretense of knowledge. No one is smart enough to plan even the simplest of marketplace prices — no matter how much data is available. Entitlements are just as addicting for politicians of either party as they are for their beneficiaries — a fact Democrats have been counting on for generations. Reminder: MICHAEL WALSH: The Coming GOP Electoral ‘Health Care’ Disaster.. Yes, because Rand's idea would be an electoral winner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted July 17, 2017 Share Posted July 17, 2017 Yes, because Rand's idea would be an electoral winner. Disappointing...................you usually put a little thought in your responses. Try looking at it in the reverse. If Obamacare is simply tweaked instead of overhauled....it will be a TREMENDOUS ELECTORAL LOSER Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magox Posted July 17, 2017 Share Posted July 17, 2017 Disappointing...................you usually put a little thought in your responses. Try looking at it in the reverse. If Obamacare is simply tweaked instead of overhauled....it will be a TREMENDOUS ELECTORAL LOSER I've provided my reasoning behind this quite a few times, is it really necessary to repeat it over and over? For the sake of argument I will. Rand's idea for starters will be pilloried by the media twice as much as it already is being criticized. The idea of repealing first and then trying to get legislation that will gather enough votes for new legislation would be much worse in the eyes of the majority of the public. I know you and others don't like the idea that the government should be helping provide healthcare to the public, but the majority of the public do like that idea. The reasons why the GOP's plan has such low approval ratings is because they think it's too "mean", Rand's idea by that definition would be not just "mean" through the eyes of the public but outright cruel. Either way, this is a electoral loser no matter how it goes down for the GOP. The question is how much of an electoral loser will it be? All these years, they talked like big tough guys, "Obamacare is a disaster, Repeal and replace" bla bla bla. They passed these show votes never actually thinking through what could actually become law if given the opportunity. The best thing they could have done was work with the Democrats right from the onset, and I've communicated at various points how that could have looked like. Single Payer here we come. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted July 17, 2017 Share Posted July 17, 2017 Obamacare is a disaster, Repeal and replace" bla bla bla 8 years later "the disaster" still rules because one party wanted nothing to do with it then and now nothing can get done because some of them demand repealing it and won't accept any lesser version. Who gets invited to all of theses "secret" Health Care meetings held to come up with a "new" plan similar to the old plan, but with a different name? Had both parties worked together 8 to 9 years ago the thing might have worked out. The Dems are doing very little. Is that by choice or circumstance? Disappointing...................you usually put a little thought in your responses. Try looking at it in the reverse. If Obamacare is simply tweaked instead of overhauled....it will be a TREMENDOUS ELECTORAL LOSER If the Affordable Health Care Act is simply tweaked instead of overhauled I believe it will pass by a decent margin. Getting nothing done after a decade, now with a Republican majority and a (heh hem) Republican pres will definitely hurt them in next voting cycle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted July 17, 2017 Share Posted July 17, 2017 8 years later "the disaster" still rules because one party wanted nothing to do with it then and now nothing can get done because some of them demand repealing it and won't accept any lesser version. Who gets invited to all of theses "secret" Health Care meetings held to come up with a "new" plan similar to the old plan, but with a different name? Had both parties worked together 8 to 9 years ago the thing might have worked out. No, the thing wouldn't have worked out. It was designed to be a metastatic cancer that couldn't be repealed, and that fundamentally altered the relations between patient, provider, and insurer by inserting the government in to all of those relationships. It was designed to be this !@#$ed up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grinreaper Posted July 18, 2017 Share Posted July 18, 2017 Boy, that's messed up. I can see why you think that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDBillzFan Posted July 18, 2017 Share Posted July 18, 2017 8 years later "the disaster" still rules because one party wanted nothing to do with it then and now nothing can get done because some of them demand repealing it and won't accept any lesser version. You think Obamacare is a disaster because the right wanted nothing to do with a law so bad that no one on the left even bothered to read it? You really are batschitt gator-level stupid at this point. Obamacare was shoved down the throat of the US by the Democrats against all objections. That's it. Plain and simple. But hey...you blame the right. It worked so well for you the past eight years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted July 18, 2017 Share Posted July 18, 2017 Senator Lee and Moran come out against health care bill making the official count of no votes at four. I just wish there were three moderates who objected to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted July 18, 2017 Share Posted July 18, 2017 The best thing they could have done was work with the Democrats right from the onset, and I've communicated at various points how that could have looked like. Single Payer here we come. I'm not sure single payer will happen, but who knows, If Dems and Reps come together on something it would probably be a smaller tax cut along with expanded care for something, so it would get paid for with deficit spending. Politically, I think that's the only way it makes it through. I can see why you think that. Thinning the heard? You don't think it is messed up? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted July 18, 2017 Share Posted July 18, 2017 Thinning the heard? You don't think it is messed up? Messed up? It's hilarious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grinreaper Posted July 18, 2017 Share Posted July 18, 2017 Messed up? It's hilarious. He's so stupid he doesn't even know he's stupid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted July 18, 2017 Share Posted July 18, 2017 Messed up? It's hilarious. maybe Trump will tweet that. He's so stupid he doesn't even know he's stupid. See! I'd be part of the thinning if you were in charge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted July 18, 2017 Share Posted July 18, 2017 Boy, that's messed up. Reality oftentimes is. Thinning the heard? You don't think it is messed up? Nope. We could sure you a nice pandemic or massive war right about now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted July 18, 2017 Share Posted July 18, 2017 Reality oftentimes is. Nope. We could sure you a nice pandemic or massive war right about now. How would that help you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spurna Posted July 18, 2017 Share Posted July 18, 2017 I'm not sure single payer will happen, but who knows, It gets vetoed by anyone who's not Bernie in the White House - Cuomo would veto it on the state level in NY Bernie Sanders 2020 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted July 18, 2017 Share Posted July 18, 2017 It gets vetoed by anyone who's not Bernie in the White House - Cuomo would veto it on the state level in NY Bernie Sanders 2020 Because what the world needs now is an 80 year old crockpot in the White House. Oh and a First Lady under investigation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted July 18, 2017 Share Posted July 18, 2017 Because what the world needs now is an 80 year old crockpot in the White House. Oh and a First Lady under investigation Crockpot? American can slow cook some nice pot roasts in the WH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spurna Posted July 18, 2017 Share Posted July 18, 2017 (edited) New plan: repeal first with a 2-year delay to figure out a replacement https://twitter.com/ASimendinger/status/887142730547245056 What a clown show Edited July 18, 2017 by Spurna Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted July 18, 2017 Share Posted July 18, 2017 How would that help you? Less cars on the freeway is the first thing that comes to mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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