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Heard Jeremy White on WGR mention that Crossman has been retained.

 

Bad move on Marrone's part the whole accountability spiel is a joke.

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Heard Jeremy White on WGR mention that Crossman has been retained.

 

Bad move on Marrone's part the whole accountability spiel is a joke.

 

Major loss of Marrone's credibility with regard to accountability as far as I'm concerned.

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Coaches don't tackle. Players do.

Coaches help players prepare. The Bills STs looked woefully unprepared for anything. ST players are pretty equivalent from team to team. Coaching matters.

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That's too bad. Marrone is stubborn, we've seen it with players and now with the coaches. It's a bad, bad trait for head coaches (but common) and it's going to get Marrone fired in a year or two, I fear.

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Coaches don't tackle. Players do.

 

So you're saying he should cut all the special teams players instead as the way to correct the horrible ST play?

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Just so we're all on the same page, here's how Danny Crossman's Special Teams units have ranked (according to Football Outsiders) since his first year at the post, 2005:

 

2005 - Carolina - 5th

2006 - Carolina - 24th

2007 - Carolina - 30th

2008 - Carolina - 10th

2009 - Carolina - 29th

2010 - Detroit - 11th

2011 - Detroit - 29th

2012 - Detroit - 30th

2013 - Buffalo - 30th

 

It's like a complete mystery. Maybe he just needs a certain profile of player to put together a solid unit? I don't know...

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It's like a complete mystery. Maybe he just needs a certain profile of player to put together a solid unit? I don't know...

 

More likely he's one of the people who helped Marrone along the way in his career and he feels indebted to the guy. It's a shame, because it costs us wins and it may ultimately cost Marrone his job.

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That's too bad. Marrone is stubborn, we've seen it with players and now with the coaches. It's a bad, bad trait for head coaches (but common) and it's going to get Marrone fired in a year or two, I fear.

 

Can't agree with that--stubborn coaches don't cut their starting LG or nickel CB mid-season due to performance.

 

I think stubbornness doesn't fit SOME coaches well; others seem to do just fine though (i.e. Coughlin).

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Just so we're all on the same page, here's how Danny Crossman's Special Teams units have ranked (according to Football Outsiders) since his first year at the post, 2005:

 

2005 - Carolina - 5th

2006 - Carolina - 24th

2007 - Carolina - 30th

2008 - Carolina - 10th

2009 - Carolina - 29th

2010 - Detroit - 11th

2011 - Detroit - 29th

2012 - Detroit - 30th

2013 - Buffalo - 30th

 

It's like a complete mystery. Maybe he just needs a certain profile of player to put together a solid unit? I don't know...

 

So his best year at his previous two stops was his 1st. Yikes! :unsure:

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More likely he's one of the people who helped Marrone along the way in his career and he feels indebted to the guy. It's a shame, because it costs us wins and it may ultimately cost Marrone his job.

 

It's possible; I'll wait and see if maybe Crossman can turn things around with a few of his "key players"

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It's like a complete mystery. Maybe he just needs a certain profile of player to put together a solid unit? I don't know...

 

how can we hold him not having 6 marcus easleys against him.... its a third of the game, and he should clearly get a third of the roster before judging him just like every other... wait... no other special teams coach ever....

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Coaches don't tackle. Players do.

 

I think the point most people are making. Crossman hasn't done anything to prove that he is a good coach. There is a pattern of bad special team units run by this guy. He should be accountable just like the players since he had a hand in picking them.

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Prediction: Marrone will go down as a worse coach than any of his predecessors over the last decade-plus of futility.

 

This clueless jock is in way over his head.

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I think the point most people are making. Crossman hasn't done anything to prove that he is a good coach. There is a pattern of bad special team units run by this guy. He should be accountable just like the players since he had a hand in picking them.

 

It's a fair point; I guess I just don't fault Marrone for giving the guy a chance to right the ship. It's not like an offense or defense in which the coach brings a possibly intricate system that needs to be installed, so if Marrone has to can him after next season and bring in someone else, it won't be a major transition.

 

Prediction: Marrone will go down as a worse coach than any of his predecessors over the last decade-plus of futility.

 

This clueless jock is in way over his head.

 

Ummm...ok.

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