Chef Jim Posted March 7, 2014 Posted March 7, 2014 I suspect heroin ODs would drop to near zero with legalization because now the purity of the drug is known, rather then the crap shoot street buyers face today. Not that I support legalizing ether heroin or meth. This is probably very true. But society is often better off without them. Not many people hooked on heroin becoming productive members of society.
Koko78 Posted March 8, 2014 Posted March 8, 2014 So because I advocate prohibiting one particular personal choice legitimizes all social engineering? Yeah, that's rich. Murder is a personal choice, is keeping it illegal a form of social engineering? If so are you for or against murder being illegal? Strictly speaking, all laws are a form of 'social engineering' (to varying degrees). Murder is unacceptable in any society, so laws were created and punishments imposed to force people to conform to non-murderous behaviors. Prostitution was deemed to be unacceptable in our society for various reasons (mostly moral), and laws were created and punishments imposed to force people to conform to the societal norm of not paying for pootie (well, we all pay for it, but you know what I mean). Drug use has been deemed to be unacceptable in our society based, in part, on protecting the users and protecting those whom the users/dealers victimize, and have been outlawed. Just as building codes exist to force people to conform their structures to what has been deemed acceptable/structurally sound/safe by society, penal laws force people to conform to behavior deemed acceptable by society. Whether you call it 'social engineering', or a 'social contract' or whatever, laws - especially penal laws - exist to enforce societal norms and to ensure that behavior of the people conforms to acceptable behavior by punishing behavior deemed unacceptable. So, you see, the puppy was like industry. In that, they were both lost in the woods. And nobody, especially the little boy - "society" - knew where to find 'em. Except that the puppy was a dog. But the industry, my friends, that was a revolution. Knibb High football rules!
Maury Ballstein Posted March 11, 2014 Posted March 11, 2014 (edited) New CNN/ORC poll finds 55% of Americans support full legalization. Up 12% from similar poll 2 years ago. 35% think it's morally wrong. Seniors, Republicans, and the South mostly. Edited March 11, 2014 by Ryan L Billz
Chef Jim Posted March 11, 2014 Posted March 11, 2014 New CNN/ORC poll finds 55% of Americans support full legalization. Up 12% from similar poll 2 years ago. 35% think it's morally wrong. Seniors, Republicans, and the South mostly. Let me ask you a couple of questions. 1. Will more people be using marijuana once it become legal? 2. If the answer to above is yes do you think there will likely be more people driving under the influence?
3rdnlng Posted March 11, 2014 Posted March 11, 2014 New CNN/ORC poll finds 55% of Americans support full legalization. Up 12% from similar poll 2 years ago. 35% think it's morally wrong. Seniors, Republicans, and the South mostly. Please provide a link.
IDBillzFan Posted March 11, 2014 Posted March 11, 2014 Please provide a link. CNN is all over getting weed legalized. Today's headline...literally: Your brain on weed: Why marijuana works Gupta has moved into Bill Nye territory for picking a cause. I recently had surgery after severing a tendon in my left thumb. You know what worked? My brain on Norco. Best schitt ever. Why they don't legalize it, I'll never know. I mean, I know some people may have a problem with it, but not me. We should have Norco dispensers all over the place and I promise you the world would be a better place two pills and a Stella at a time.
3rdnlng Posted March 11, 2014 Posted March 11, 2014 CNN is all over getting weed legalized. Today's headline...literally: Your brain on weed: Why marijuana works Gupta has moved into Bill Nye territory for picking a cause. I recently had surgery after severing a tendon in my left thumb. You know what worked? My brain on Norco. Best schitt ever. Why they don't legalize it, I'll never know. I mean, I know some people may have a problem with it, but not me. We should have Norco dispensers all over the place and I promise you the world would be a better place two pills and a Stella at a time. So, you are saying a CNN poll might have a chance of being slanted towards more people favoring weed legalization? Gee, I wish I had a link to that poll.
TakeYouToTasker Posted March 11, 2014 Posted March 11, 2014 CNN is all over getting weed legalized. Today's headline...literally: Your brain on weed: Why marijuana works Gupta has moved into Bill Nye territory for picking a cause. I recently had surgery after severing a tendon in my left thumb. You know what worked? My brain on Norco. Best schitt ever. Why they don't legalize it, I'll never know. I mean, I know some people may have a problem with it, but not me. We should have Norco dispensers all over the place and I promise you the world would be a better place two pills and a Stella at a time. I won't speak to the Norco, but Stella Artois should definately be banned outright.
Chef Jim Posted March 11, 2014 Posted March 11, 2014 CNN is all over getting weed legalized. Today's headline...literally: Your brain on weed: Why marijuana works Gupta has moved into Bill Nye territory for picking a cause. I recently had surgery after severing a tendon in my left thumb. You know what worked? My brain on Norco. Best schitt ever. Why they don't legalize it, I'll never know. I mean, I know some people may have a problem with it, but not me. We should have Norco dispensers all over the place and I promise you the world would be a better place two pills and a Stella at a time. I was at a concert Saturday and the "kid" next to me was smoking some pot. I asked how often he smokes. Typical answer: every day, all day. I took a hit off a joint and thought to myself "yeah, I can drive on this stuff no problem."
IDBillzFan Posted March 11, 2014 Posted March 11, 2014 I won't speak to the Norco, but Stella Artois should definately be banned outright. I don't presume to be that big of a beer snob. Stella is my Budweiser. Can drink it with anything, and in great quantities.
DC Tom Posted March 11, 2014 Posted March 11, 2014 CNN is all over getting weed legalized. Today's headline...literally: Your brain on weed: Why marijuana works Gupta has moved into Bill Nye territory for picking a cause. I recently had surgery after severing a tendon in my left thumb. You know what worked? My brain on Norco. Best schitt ever. Why they don't legalize it, I'll never know. I mean, I know some people may have a problem with it, but not me. We should have Norco dispensers all over the place and I promise you the world would be a better place two pills and a Stella at a time. Heard an interview with Gupta on the radio this morning. They asked him outright why his position was "evolving." I couldn't help but chuckle.
GG Posted March 11, 2014 Posted March 11, 2014 I don't presume to be that big of a beer snob. Stella is my Budweiser. Can drink it with anything, and in great quantities. That's an awful comparison. How can any grownup still drink Bud?
Jim in Anchorage Posted March 11, 2014 Posted March 11, 2014 I was at a concert Saturday and the "kid" next to me was smoking some pot. I asked how often he smokes. Typical answer: every day, all day. I took a hit off a joint and thought to myself "yeah, I can drive on this stuff no problem." Wait I am not going to let this go unnoticed. You, Chef Jim, hit off a joint just last weekend? Would have been funny as hell if they pulled a surprise drug test on you at work on Monday. Positive. I always thought that Jim guy was a stoner.
Maury Ballstein Posted March 11, 2014 Posted March 11, 2014 (edited) Let me ask you a couple of questions. 1. Will more people be using marijuana once it become legal? 2. If the answer to above is yes do you think there will likely be more people driving under the influence? 1. Yes. Exponentially Interest followed by good times with no lingering hangover will appeal to a lot. Turn all the yuppie parrot heads into other things. 2. Yes. Could care less, need to get women/Asians/gangbangers on cell phones off the roads also. I hate everyone when it comes to driving. Please provide a link. Turn on CNN. It's running across the ticker. Saw it there. Out working now, can't link. Edited March 11, 2014 by Ryan L Billz
Chef Jim Posted March 11, 2014 Posted March 11, 2014 Wait I am not going to let this go unnoticed. You, Chef Jim, hit off a joint just last weekend? Would have been funny as hell if they pulled a surprise drug test on you at work on Monday. Positive. I always thought that Jim guy was a stoner. I think I'm safe regarding drug testing at my work. 1. Yes. Exponentially Interest followed by good times with no lingering hangover will appeal to a lot. Turn all the yuppie parrot heads into other things. 2. Yes. Could care less, need to get women/Asians/gangbangers on cell phones off the roads also. I hate everyone when it comes to driving. So we have you on record that you're ok with more people driving impaired. That's an excellent position to take.
IDBillzFan Posted March 11, 2014 Posted March 11, 2014 That's an awful comparison. How can any grownup still drink Bud? I have no idea, but they do. I used to bust peoples' balls for the beer they drank, but there was always someone who justifiably could bust my balls, so I let it go. Except people who buy a beer because there's a mountain on the outside telling them when the beer is cold. I have no use for those tools.
Maury Ballstein Posted March 11, 2014 Posted March 11, 2014 So we have you on record that you're ok with more people driving impaired. That's an excellent position to take. I'm not the police chief nor do I run an insurance company. Won't impact me at all. I'm responsible for my own actions. What other people do is their own business.
Deranged Rhino Posted March 11, 2014 Posted March 11, 2014 I recently had surgery after severing a tendon in my left thumb. You know what worked? My brain on Norco. Best schitt ever. Why they don't legalize it, I'll never know. I mean, I know some people may have a problem with it, but not me. We should have Norco dispensers all over the place and I promise you the world would be a better place two pills and a Stella at a time. You live in LA, right? Dude, Norco is addictive and an opiate -- if you were in need of some pain med without the icky side-effects, any dispensary in town would have hooked you up with something better. Far better pain management with far less chance of long term problems. And. It makes watching the news even better.
Jim in Anchorage Posted March 11, 2014 Posted March 11, 2014 That's an awful comparison. How can any grownup still drink Bud? I never drink Bud. They have horses.
IDBillzFan Posted March 11, 2014 Posted March 11, 2014 You live in LA, right? Dude, Norco is addictive and an opiate -- if you were in need of some pain med without the icky side-effects, any dispensary in town would have hooked you up with something better. Far better pain management with far less chance of long term problems. And. It makes watching the news even better. What icky side effects? I take Norco. I smile. I sleep. Norco kicks weed's ass up and down Santa Monica Blvd. Plus, I've seen the hippies that hang out at the dispensaries. Mother rapers. Father stabbers. FATHER RAPERS! Sittin' right there on the bench!
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