Chef Jim Posted March 7, 2014 Posted March 7, 2014 People who think they're better than others because they're dirty drug addicts. Because I think it's bad for motivation and individual achievement. So you want more people to lack motivation and personal achievement? Yeah, that's a great plan.
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted March 7, 2014 Posted March 7, 2014 So you want more people to lack motivation and personal achievement? Yeah, that's a great plan. that's a false argument plenty of people smoke marijuana and still hold down good jobs that are productive tax paying members of society
Chef Jim Posted March 7, 2014 Posted March 7, 2014 that's a false argument plenty of people smoke marijuana and still hold down good jobs that are productive tax paying members of society Yup and there are plenty who don't and I'm pretty sure their ranks will increase if it's legal.
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted March 7, 2014 Posted March 7, 2014 Yup and there are plenty who don't and I'm pretty sure their ranks will increase if it's legal. What do you think causes more lost days of work? Alcohol or marijuana? How about more car accidents? Domestic violence cases? And yet alcohol is legal, and taxed, and regulated. Why not do the same for marijuana?
TakeYouToTasker Posted March 7, 2014 Posted March 7, 2014 So you want more people to lack motivation and personal achievement? Yeah, that's a great plan. I don't claim to be my brother's keeper. It's not the job of the state to engage in social planning. Unless you think it is. In which case, well...
Passepartout Posted March 7, 2014 Posted March 7, 2014 Well that is what keeps people going. More motivation and personal achievement every once in awhile.
Chef Jim Posted March 7, 2014 Posted March 7, 2014 (edited) What do you think causes more lost days of work? Alcohol or marijuana? How about more car accidents? Domestic violence cases? And yet alcohol is legal, and taxed, and regulated. Why not do the same for marijuana? More people miss work due to alcohol and it's legal so we should legalize marijuana. Are you a stoner? Because that sounds like the logic of a stoner. I don't claim to be my brother's keeper. It's not the job of the state to engage in social planning. Unless you think it is. In which case, well... And there's the problem I have with libertarians. Let people do whatever they want. I don't care it won't effect me. Well guess what, it does effect you. Edited March 7, 2014 by Chef Jim
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted March 7, 2014 Posted March 7, 2014 More people miss work due to alcohol and it's legal so we should legalize marijuana. Are you a stoner? Because that sounds like the logic of a stoner. No. what Im saying is it's logically inconsistent to allow something that's universally agreed to be harmful to society while banning something less harmful.
Chef Jim Posted March 7, 2014 Posted March 7, 2014 No. what Im saying is it's logically inconsistent to allow something that's universally agreed to be harmful to society while banning something less harmful. No it's not. Alcohol impairs you. Causes sometime irreparable harm to people and their families. But at this stage of the game it would be nearly impossible to make it illegal again. That is why it's legal. Now putting something else on the shelves that also impairs people is not a good idea. Why should you? Because people like it and alcohol is legal. Where the hell is the logic in that?
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted March 7, 2014 Posted March 7, 2014 No it's not. Alcohol impairs you. Causes sometime irreparable harm to people and their families. But at this stage of the game it would be nearly impossible to make it illegal again. That is why it's legal. Now putting something else on the shelves that also impairs people is not a good idea. Why should you? Because people like it and alcohol is legal. Where the hell is the logic in that? There's an old Jewish maxim that goes something like "Any law that's not obeyed is a bad law." it's why alcohol prohibition failed, it's why marijuana prohibition is failing.
TakeYouToTasker Posted March 7, 2014 Posted March 7, 2014 And there's the problem I have with libertarians. Let people do whatever they want. I don't care it won't effect me. Well guess what, it does effect you. Then stop complaining when the power to exact the social engineering you advocate for falls into the hands of liberals, because "I don't care, it won't effect me." Well guess what? It does effect you.
DC Tom Posted March 7, 2014 Posted March 7, 2014 And there's the problem I have with libertarians. Let people do whatever they want. I don't care it won't effect me. Well guess what, it does effect you. Then stop complaining when the power to exact the social engineering you advocate for falls into the hands of liberals, because "I don't care, it won't effect me." Well guess what? It does effect you. "Affect." You morons.
Chef Jim Posted March 7, 2014 Posted March 7, 2014 fi Then stop complaining when the power to exact the social engineering you advocate for falls into the hands of liberals, because "I don't care, it won't effect me." Well guess what? It does effect you. What the !@#$ are you talking about? First off keeping pot illegal is social engineering? Ok. Second where did I ever imply that liberal social engineering (not that's social engineering) that I didn't care because it wouldn't effect me. Of course it would. "Affect." You morons. I can never ever get those two correct.
Jim in Anchorage Posted March 7, 2014 Posted March 7, 2014 "Affect." You morons. Now that's a important contribution.
4merper4mer Posted March 7, 2014 Author Posted March 7, 2014 There's an old Jewish maxim that goes something like "Any law that's not obeyed is a bad law." it's why alcohol prohibition failed, it's why marijuana prohibition is failing. Cereal killers all over the country hope you become president someday. Babies and puppies on he other hand....... Plus the fact that making pot legal means productive members of society will have to weave their way through a maze of stoned idiots just to get to work and have to listen to them constantly blather on killing what would otherwise be productive time.
Chef Jim Posted March 7, 2014 Posted March 7, 2014 "Affect." You morons. I'm sorry I should have said: Eat **** and die!! Is that better gatorboy? Is that how I should handle people who correct my grammer? I mean I do say a lot worse things than you.
Maury Ballstein Posted March 7, 2014 Posted March 7, 2014 Way to go chef... You thwarted Merpers attempt to ice the thread into dormancy again with post #516
TakeYouToTasker Posted March 7, 2014 Posted March 7, 2014 (edited) What the !@#$ are you talking about? First off keeping pot illegal is social engineering? Ok. Yes. Laws put in place to prohibit personal choices that those seeking the legislation find distasteful, for the purposes of curbing said behavior, is social engineering. Second where did I ever imply that liberal social engineering (not that's social engineering) that I didn't care because it wouldn't effect me. Of course it would. My point is that your advocacy of your preferred brand of social engineering legitimizes all social engineering; so when you advocate for it, you don't get to complain when they other guys get into power, and institute their preferred brand. Edited March 7, 2014 by TakeYouToTasker
Chef Jim Posted March 7, 2014 Posted March 7, 2014 (edited) Yes. Laws put in place to prohibit personal choices that those seeking the legislation find distasteful, for the purposes of curbing said behavior, is social engineering. My point is that your advocacy of your preferred brand of social engineering legitimizes all social engineering; so when you advocate for it, you don't get to complain when they other guys get into power, and institute their preferred brand. So because I advocate prohibiting one particular personal choice legitimizes all social engineering? Yeah, that's rich. Murder is a personal choice, is keeping it illegal a form of social engineering? If so are you for or against murder being illegal? Way to go chef... You thwarted Merpers attempt to ice the thread into dormancy again with post #516 No I think your continues arguments with him will keep this thread alive. That and prove you're a clueless stoner. Edited March 7, 2014 by Chef Jim
TakeYouToTasker Posted March 7, 2014 Posted March 7, 2014 (edited) So because I advocate prohibiting one particular personal choice legitimizes all social engineering? Yeah, that's rich. Murder is a personal choice, is keeping it illegal a form of social engineering? If so are you for or against murder being illegal? For the puposes of this discussion, please consider "personal choice" to be synonymous with liberty. Liberty, logically being defined as the freedom to act, restricted only by the intrusion into the liberty of others. Murder falls outside this sphere. Your desire to impede another's legal ability to smoke pot is morally no different than someone else seeking to restrict you legal ability to own guns, speak freely, practice your own religion, etc. Your own argument legitimizes the weapon, so you can't then complain when others use it against you. Edited March 7, 2014 by TakeYouToTasker
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