vegas55 Posted January 2, 2014 Posted January 2, 2014 It appears the Bills lack in this area; that is leadership and discipline generated by players/ team leaders. The Marcel D tardiness issue is a glaring example - it's disappointing that the coach has to intercede. Can you imagine it coming to this in a Teddy Bruschi led clubhouse. The best leadership/discipline comes from the players themselves. Mark Kelso was once asked about Marv Levy and his leadership qualities. He basically answered that Marv was fine, but that the reality was that Kelso looked to Leonard Smith for leadership and accountability. He dared not disappoint Leonard! As for our current defense - Neither Mario or Kyle are those type of leaders. Not a knock on either player, just a fact of life. We need a Leonard Smith, or a Teddy Bruschi. Leadership from within.
LB3 Posted January 2, 2014 Posted January 2, 2014 (edited) Please explain how you know that Kyle just isn't a good leader and that it is a fact. Didn't Thurman lose his helmet in a Super Bowl. Where was Leonard Smith on that one? Edited January 2, 2014 by KikoSeeBallKikoGetBall
Optometric Insight Posted January 2, 2014 Posted January 2, 2014 You cant completely blame leadership on Dareus' problems; a bad apple is a bad apple no matter what you do. Its tough as a fan to say what goes on with the team inside the locker room since most fans aren't in the locker room and don't see the happenings of what goes on in there. Do you have any another examples of this alleged "locker room leadership" problem or is Dareus' mistakes the only one you have?
YoloinOhio Posted January 2, 2014 Posted January 2, 2014 It appears the Bills lack in this area; that is leadership and discipline generated by players/ team leaders. The Marcel D tardiness issue is a glaring example - it's disappointing that the coach has to intercede. Can you imagine it coming to this in a Teddy Bruschi led clubhouse. The best leadership/discipline comes from the players themselves. Mark Kelso was once asked about Marv Levy and his leadership qualities. He basically answered that Marv was fine, but that the reality was that Kelso looked to Leonard Smith for leadership and accountability. He dared not disappoint Leonard! As for our current defense - Neither Mario or Kyle are those type of leaders. Not a knock on either player, just a fact of life. We need a Leonard Smith, or a Teddy Bruschi. Leadership from within. I thought I read that the decision to discipline Dareus came as a result of the captains discussing with Marrone. If that is true, then it is good leadership, as we don't know what took place up until that point.
WotAGuy Posted January 2, 2014 Posted January 2, 2014 I'm happy to see in this thread that leadership is holding the OP accountable!
Alan Davidson Posted January 2, 2014 Posted January 2, 2014 Please explain how you know that Kyle just isn't a good leader and that it is a fact. Didn't Thurman lose his helmet in a Super Bowl. Where was Leonard Smith on that one? Leonard Smith was injured for that game (remember Dwight Drane started safety) -- which explained Washington's 28 points by halftime
OldTimer1960 Posted January 2, 2014 Posted January 2, 2014 Do you get leadership from your co-workrs? It is supposed to come from: 1.your intrinsic work-ethic/desire to succeed 2. Management 3. From there the examples set by co-workers If you, as an individual, are not pulling your weight - management can't do much about it other than threaten you with no-raise or termination... If you have a slacker co-worker, do you address the issue with him/her?
BuffaloBill Posted January 2, 2014 Posted January 2, 2014 Locker room leadership begins on the field. Fact of the matter EJ needs to be a leader in both but until his play allows him to do this he can't.
3rdand12 Posted January 2, 2014 Posted January 2, 2014 Kyle Williams is a leader from what i have seen and heard . Even moreso Fred Jackson . E Wood is trying to solidify his role as captain . Dont under estimate the youth of this team.
BuffaloBill Posted January 3, 2014 Posted January 3, 2014 not in the locker room...are you? Leave facts out of the discussion ... They have no place here
billsgpr88 Posted January 3, 2014 Posted January 3, 2014 I, like the others, don't think that the OP has evidence of glaring locker room issues, but I do think it's a good point to bring up. I'm actually concerned on the offensive side of the ball. We haven't had a true qb leader since what, Flutie? I think that leadership presence has an intangible effect on the team and unfortunately I don't think EJ has it. I want to see some bills get PO'd after a loss, and getting ready for the next drive after a touchdown instead of acting like they won the game. I swear, when I saw EJ crip walking after his rushing TD against JAX, I just about lost my shi!t. I mean, the team's 4-9 and barely beating one of the worst teams in the league and you're dancing? I loathe the patriots, but I wish we had someone like Brady who never gloats and is never satisfied until the game is over. And I'm so fed up with the 'aw shucks' press conferences after losses. Gimme one dude flippin out after a loss, just to show me that refuse to settle for mediocrity!!!
3rdand12 Posted January 3, 2014 Posted January 3, 2014 Leave facts out of the discussion ... They have no place here well those boys interview well ! They lead on the field thats clear for all of us. If you have listened to both of them on the field and or sideline , watched the way they hold themselves around the others it seems these guys are using the Veteran experience to rally the others often . Have i been in the locker room? What kind of question is that CardinalScotts ? Seriously folks . No of course i have not. Nor do pretend to. I dont pretend to know anything. i just have opinions from watching and reading . I think the Bills have player leadership. This year more than the past couple .
San Jose Bills Fan Posted January 3, 2014 Posted January 3, 2014 I have no clue about leadership among the Bills players. The following are some personal guesses: Fred Jackson is probably the best leader on the team. Eric Wood is a quiet leader. I would say that Kyle Williams is a "standup guy" but not necessarily a leader. Mario Williams does not seem like a leader to me. Kiko can be a leader but he's a rookie and hasn't earned his stripes yet. Stevie Johnson is not a leader. I would also say that the roster has a lot of young and unproven players. Partly due to youth, this is obviously not a team with a Lewis/Suggs/Reed or Urlacher/Briggs/Tillman dynamic or anything like that.
PO'14 Posted January 3, 2014 Posted January 3, 2014 From what I saw on the Field, Thad Lewis seemed more of a leader than our very own EJ Manuel! Woods seemed more of a leader than SJ13. Freddy seemed more of a leader than CJ. Kyle seemed more of a leader than the other D-Line players. Byrd seemed more of a leader than the other safeties. Mckelvin seemed more of a leader than the other CBs. ( Gilmore looks lost and lonely out there ). E. Wood seemed like the leader of the Oline even though Quiet Cordy played great. and Finally, Frank Summers looked like a positive guy out there.
Dibs Posted January 3, 2014 Posted January 3, 2014 I think the main problem with our leadership was that we let the 2 best leaders walk early in the season. Though Justin Rogers and Colin Brown might have been bad players, they were clearly great leaders in the locker room and their influence on the other players was obviously missed later in the season(re: Darius issues).
YoloinOhio Posted January 3, 2014 Posted January 3, 2014 I think the main problem with our leadership was that we let the 2 best leaders walk early in the season. Though Justin Rogers and Colin Brown might have been bad players, they were clearly great leaders in the locker room and their influence on the other players was obviously missed later in the season(re: Darius issues).
San Jose Bills Fan Posted January 3, 2014 Posted January 3, 2014 I think the main problem with our leadership was that we let the 2 best leaders walk early in the season. Though Justin Rogers and Colin Brown might have been bad players, they were clearly great leaders in the locker room and their influence on the other players was obviously missed later in the season(re: Darius issues). I think you underestimate the loss of Chas Rheingarten in the leadership department.
mrags Posted January 3, 2014 Posted January 3, 2014 Do you get leadership from your co-workrs? It is supposed to come from: 1.your intrinsic work-ethic/desire to succeed 2. Management 3. From there the examples set by co-workers If you, as an individual, are not pulling your weight - management can't do much about it other than threaten you with no-raise or termination... If you have a slacker co-worker, do you address the issue with him/her? i can tell you 100% that much of the leadership I my line of work comes from the co-workers. Without a question. And slackers are absolutely called out.
RuntheDamnBall Posted January 3, 2014 Posted January 3, 2014 You can wait around to be led, or you can go lead by example by doing your job right. If any of our players are doing the former, I would like to see them leave. Much is made of the Ray Lewis types but honestly, the guy was just extremely good at mugging for the camera, and several of his teammates admitted they didn't understand what the hell he was yelling about all the time.
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