BuffaloBill Posted January 1, 2014 Posted January 1, 2014 Cleveland supposedly has WR high amongst their needs so will be interesting to see if they nab somebody high in the order. Part of the issue is that WR's are generally not immediate impact players.
KOKBILLS Posted January 1, 2014 Posted January 1, 2014 I agree with this - though there is complication - We still need a TE if we draft a WR. If we draft a TE we can likely find a FA plug in at WR that makes it less essential. I looked to me like Joe B was saying one each in the 1st and 2nd...Whatever you don't get in the 1st take in the 2nd...But maybe I'm reading it wrong...
3rdand12 Posted January 1, 2014 Posted January 1, 2014 What kind of smoke? The sneaky kind I looked to me like Joe B was saying one each in the 1st and 2nd...Whatever you don't get in the 1st take in the 2nd...But maybe I'm reading it wrong... I got that the positions should be the priorities > not player specific
boyst Posted January 1, 2014 Posted January 1, 2014 NoSaint who keeps close tabs on the Saints thinks the chances of New Orleans letting him get away are pretty miniscule. Then there's the question of how desirable a landing spot Buffalo is to a player like Graham. he is going to fan wagon the Saints if they do well, you watch. Lucky guy will be able to get over the Billls
thebandit27 Posted January 1, 2014 Posted January 1, 2014 It's rare that a TE or WR goes in the to 10 ... Not unheard of but makes you wonder if the Bills do a deal to get additional picks again. Hard to say as it depends who is there at the time of the pick. Very rare as in every year for the past 3 years?
OldTimer1960 Posted January 2, 2014 Posted January 2, 2014 Yeah that was disappointing. The Bills had good special teams previous to this season, the new regime thinks they've upgraded the talent, and yet special teams gets worse? And then Marrone says they need better "core special teamers?" Where did Marrone say this was a high priority need? I (choose to) interpret his comment to mean that they need a handful of guys whose life is special teams. I remember the "glory days" where Steve Tasker and Mark Pike were core special teams players. Tasker arguably could have played more at WR, but they valued his special teams contributions over that. I believe that there were others, including Beebe, who played primarily STs. I think the point was that there were some who were lackadaisical on STs - maybe because they thought they were going to make an impression on O or D. They may have most of the "core special teasers" on the roster - if they accept and embrace their role. Cleveland supposedly has WR high amongst their needs so will be interesting to see if they nab somebody high in the order. Part of the issue is that WR's are generally not immediate impact players. So, maybe they should get one early to get up to speed. I think that Woods and Goodwin contributed this year, and I expect them to contribute more next year. However, they still don't have a true playmaker who can make the great catch 1-2 times a game and keep drives alive. If they can find a guy like that, even if it takes him a year or two to fully develop, then I'd love to see them take him early in round 1. I am don't know if EJ Manuel is THE answer, but I do know that he had 1 experienced WR and about 2 starts among the remaining WRs coming into this season. In terms of NFL receptions, outside of Stevie Johnson, there were about 35 catches on the remaining roster (at WR). What could you tell about the QB play with that?
Beerball Posted January 2, 2014 Posted January 2, 2014 Why would you waste a late round pick on a QB when you have 3 on the roster? If you're going to bring one in don't bother after the 4th round.
BuffaloBillsForever Posted January 2, 2014 Posted January 2, 2014 (edited) NoSaint who keeps close tabs on the Saints thinks the chances of New Orleans letting him get away are pretty miniscule. You do not need to keep close tabs on the Saints to make statements on situations which seem most plausible. Edited January 2, 2014 by BuffaloBillsForever
ChasBB Posted January 2, 2014 Posted January 2, 2014 I assume author listed needs in order of priority, though he doesn't really say. If so, I would move a run-stuffing LB up the list based on being 23rd against the run. To be at or near best in the league in terms of picks and sacks only to be shredded by the run makes LB a top priority.
GG Posted January 2, 2014 Posted January 2, 2014 Why would you waste a late round pick on a QB when you have 3 on the roster? If you're going to bring one in don't bother after the 4th round. Totally agree. It's highly unlikely that the 6th round QB will be better than Lewis, Tuel or Dixon, so it would be a wasted pick. Either go high on QB or try to get a decent FA back up. Otherwise, throw another year at the EJ experiment.
BuffaloBill Posted January 2, 2014 Posted January 2, 2014 It would be very interesting if they went D with the 9th pick. Maybe the philosophy is to build on the strength of the team.
chris heff Posted January 2, 2014 Posted January 2, 2014 You do not need to keep close tabs on the Saints to make statements on situations which seem most plausible. I get that, but the fact remains that the Saints are $8 million over the cap.
White Linen Posted January 2, 2014 Posted January 2, 2014 I get that, but the fact remains that the Saints are $8 million over the cap. This is a difficult number. If the Saints prioritize Graham as much as we believe they will it's going to take more creativity than just cutting some players. Brees' contract escalates to 1 million more in 2014 (18.4 mil) so nothing crazy there above 2013. Still it won't be easy finding room to dedicate $9-11$ million to another player, which essentially means the movement of $18-20$ million in salaries.
Solomon Grundy Posted January 2, 2014 Posted January 2, 2014 Damn, didn't Joe B see this defense get killed by teams running game more so than not? Why no defense until late? I think Joe B better reassess!
peterpan Posted January 2, 2014 Posted January 2, 2014 I agree with this. Outside of a QB, which its unlikely we take at 9, I think our biggest needs are 1- Big WR and TE 2- OL 3- LB. If we took Mike Evans and then the best TE in the 2nd round I think that is a great draft for us.
thebandit27 Posted January 2, 2014 Posted January 2, 2014 This is a difficult number. If the Saints prioritize Graham as much as we believe they will it's going to take more creativity than just cutting some players. Brees' contract escalates to 1 million more in 2014 (18.4 mil) so nothing crazy there above 2013. Still it won't be easy finding room to dedicate $9-11$ million to another player, which essentially means the movement of $18-20$ million in salaries. Probably won't be as tough as you think. Restructure the contracts of Jahri Evans, Marques Colston, and Ben Grubbs, part ways with past-prime guys like Vilma and Smith, and you're probably most of the way there.
vincec Posted January 2, 2014 Posted January 2, 2014 Why would you waste a late round pick on a QB when you have 3 on the roster? If you're going to bring one in don't bother after the 4th round. I agree. Although there isn't much that you're likely to get from a late round pick.
White Linen Posted January 2, 2014 Posted January 2, 2014 Probably won't be as tough as you think. Restructure the contracts of Jahri Evans, Marques Colston, and Ben Grubbs, part ways with past-prime guys like Vilma and Smith, and you're probably most of the way there. I think it's a bit more difficult to get 3 players to restructure than you think. It's tough because you really need to know the details of each contract obviously. Just seems to me if you're around $9 million over the cap, it's tough to sign a free agent to a $60 million dollar contract. I don't think it's impossible but it will mean losing several players you like.
chris heff Posted January 2, 2014 Posted January 2, 2014 I think it's a bit more difficult to get 3 players to restructure than you think. It's tough because you really need to know the details of each contract obviously. Just seems to me if you're around $9 million over the cap, it's tough to sign a free agent to a $60 million dollar contract. I don't think it's impossible but it will mean losing several players you like. Don't the Saints also have another big deal free agent?
yungmack Posted January 2, 2014 Posted January 2, 2014 I think a guard, maybe two,is a bigger immediate need than tackle, WR, TE.
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