Jerry Jabber Posted December 23, 2013 Share Posted December 23, 2013 It's been 14 years since the Bills beat the Pats in the 2nd game---Flutie was the QB and it was the last playoff year. Will that come to an end this Sunday, especially if Manuel is the starter (and given that he's been bad on the road)? Looking at these stats, it doesn't look promising. http://forums.twobillsdrive.com/topic/161105-bills-vs-patriots-games-since-2000its-ugly/ "To add it all up, the Patriots have outscored the Bills 381 – 130 (251 point difference) in the second divisional matchup since 2000. Take away the two games Brady did not play in against the Bills, the Patriots outscored the Bills 355 – 120 (235 point difference). In the 26 games played since 2000, the Patriots have outscored the Bills 728 – 372 (a 356 point difference). In the words of the late Ronnie James Dio: "LOOK OUT!" By looking at the scores, it's painfully obvious that the Bills have played better against the Patriots in their first divisional matchup of the year. What also confirms that even further, is that the Bills are 3-10 against the Patriots in the first divisional matchup of the year, vice 0-13 in their second divisional matchup of the year. The last time the Bills beat the Patriots in their second divisional matchup of the year, was on December 26, 1999, when the Bills (led by Doug Flutie) defeated the Patriots (led by Drew Bledsoe) 13-10 in overtime." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Campy Posted December 23, 2013 Share Posted December 23, 2013 It's been 14 years since the Bills beat the Pats in the 2nd game---Flutie was the QB and it was the last playoff year. Will that come to an end this Sunday, especially if Manuel is the starter (and given that he's been bad on the road)? Looking at these stats, it doesn't look promising. http://forums.twobil...e-2000its-ugly/ "To add it all up, the Patriots have outscored the Bills 381 – 130 (251 point difference) in the second divisional matchup since 2000. Take away the two games Brady did not play in against the Bills, the Patriots outscored the Bills 355 – 120 (235 point difference). In the 26 games played since 2000, the Patriots have outscored the Bills 728 – 372 (a 356 point difference). In the words of the late Ronnie James Dio: "LOOK OUT!" By looking at the scores, it's painfully obvious that the Bills have played better against the Patriots in their first divisional matchup of the year. What also confirms that even further, is that the Bills are 3-10 against the Patriots in the first divisional matchup of the year, vice 0-13 in their second divisional matchup of the year. The last time the Bills beat the Patriots in their second divisional matchup of the year, was on December 26, 1999, when the Bills (led by Doug Flutie) defeated the Patriots (led by Drew Bledsoe) 13-10 in overtime." Wait. You just started a new thread with no new content but only to link to a thread you started in September? I'm no expert, but that's got to be against some sort of message board etiquette. Maybe next time you should just add to the thread you already started. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerry Jabber Posted December 23, 2013 Author Share Posted December 23, 2013 Wait. You just started a new thread with no new content but only to link to a thread you started in September? I'm no expert, but that's got to be against some sort of message board etiquette. Maybe next time you should just add to the thread you already started. Do you have anything to add to the topic? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dorkington Posted December 23, 2013 Share Posted December 23, 2013 My expectations are that we get blown out. We tend to **** the bed on the road, especially against the Pats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick the Greek Posted December 23, 2013 Share Posted December 23, 2013 Start Thad.. He gives us the best chance to win Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted December 23, 2013 Share Posted December 23, 2013 Start Thad.. He gives us the best chance to win Agreed. Any time you can start a guy who has helped the offense score less points than the 1st round QB you just drafted, you have to do it. And we are terrible against NE? I had no idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted December 23, 2013 Share Posted December 23, 2013 Reverse the curse!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Campy Posted December 23, 2013 Share Posted December 23, 2013 Do you have anything to add to the topic? No, I'm familiar with Buffalo's futility against the Pats*. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PolishDave Posted December 23, 2013 Share Posted December 23, 2013 The last time the Bills beat the Patriots in their second divisional matchup of the year, was on December 26, 1999, when the Bills (led by Doug Flutie) defeated the Patriots (led by Drew Bledsoe) 13-10 in overtime." I think I remember that game. I believe it was in Orchard Park. If that is the game I am thinking of, it was raining friggin sideways with horrendous winds. It was freezing rain too. It might not have been the coldest weather for a game, but coupled with the freezing rain, I think that was the coldest I ever got watching a game. We were holding up blankets to block the wind and rain leaving just enough room to peek over the blanket with our eyes. I think we spent a part of that game standing in the tunnels trying to avoid the weather while still trying to catch a glimpse of the action. Can't believe I stayed till the end for that one. Or maybe I am thinking about the wrong game? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sodbuster Posted December 23, 2013 Share Posted December 23, 2013 I'm not sure history is a good indicator in this case. Too much is different with the coaching staffs, and the team seems improved from the opener. Just curious, how have Mike Pettine coached defenses fared in 2nd matchups against NE*? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted December 23, 2013 Share Posted December 23, 2013 (edited) I'm not sure history is a good indicator in this case. Too much is different with the coaching staffs, and the team seems improved from the opener. Just curious, how have Mike Pettine coached defenses fared in 2nd matchups against NE*? 2012: The Patriots defeated the Jets on November 22, 2012 by a score of 49–19. The Patriots forced five turnovers, the most bizarre of which became known as the "butt fumble", in which Mark Sanchez was flattened after running into the backside of lineman Brandon Moore and fumbling the ball to Steve Gregory, who ran back a 32-yard touchdown. This was during a sequence when the Patriots scored three touchdowns in just 52 seconds.[29] The Patriots tied the NFL record for most points in a single quarter (35) and the win was Bill Belichick's 200th career NFL win as a head coach. The win nearly clinched the AFC East for the Patriots (they would clinch the title the next weekend at Miami).--- 2 of the NE TDs were defensive scores. Brady threw for 323 and Pats* rushed for 152. No INTs for Brady. 2011: On November 13 the Jets hosted the Patriots at MetLife Stadium and in the second quarter took a 9-6 lead after Brady was flagged for intentional grounding in his own endzone; the Jets drove down field and Mark Sanchez ran in a two-yard touchdown. The Patriots roared down the field after this and scored before the end of the half, then in the second half outscored the Jets, 24–7; they sacked Sanchez five times and Rob Ninkovich intercepted Sanchez and ran in a twelve-yard touchdown, finishing off a 37–16 New England win. Following the game the New York Post caused a stir when it published a short story claiming Belichick stated to his son Stephen that the Jets could "suck my (expletive)."[27] 2010: When the two teams met at Gillette Stadium on Monday Night Football on December 6 their 9–2 records gave the game the sense of a playoff game; the Jets, however, never got untracked, as Nick Folk missed a 53-yard field goal attempt in the first quarter, this following a Rex Ryan challenge of a ball-spot that was denied. Brady found Branch and Brandon Tate for touchdowns and BenJarvus Green-Ellis ran in a one-yard score, leaving the Patriots up 24–3 at the half; from there on the Jets tried vainly to run the ball (five Jets backs combined for 152 rushing yards) while Sanchez was intercepted three times. Brady touchdowns to Welker and Aaron Hernandez and a second Green-Ellis score finished up a 45–3 rout of the Jets, the biggest for the Patriots against the Jets since 2002's 44–7 win 2009: The Patriots hosted the Jets on November 22 following a stunning last-minute loss in Indianapolis and the Jets were defeated, 31–14; Mark Sanchez threw four interceptions, three of them to Leigh Bodden. Randy Moss caught a four-yard touchdown in the face of Jets cornerback Darrelle Revis, who'd been talkative about matching up with Moss; Revis, nonetheless, held Moss to 34 yards over two games with the interception in the September matchup. Wes Welker, inactive for Week Two, had 15 catches (one short of Troy Brown's 2002 record against Kansas City) for 197 yards. Edited December 23, 2013 by YoloInTheBlo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
All_Pro_Bills Posted December 23, 2013 Share Posted December 23, 2013 (edited) My expectations are that we get blown out. We tend to **** the bed on the road, especially against the Pats. I'll be satisfied if the Bills defense shows no fear or awe and gives Brady and NE's offense the same inhospitable and physical treatment they just applied to the Dolphins. There's nothing to lose here. Play aggressive, physical man-to-man at the line of scrimmage and knock the receivers off their timing and cross patterns. Bust up those set pick plays, the crossing patterns over the middle and to the sidelines. Cover the 15+ dump-offs to the the RB circling out of the backfield that always go for decent yardage. Be ready for those triple set quick screens to the left and right. Bring pressure on Brady up the middle, get your arms up in the passing lanes, get in his face, put him on his back side a dozen times. On offense protect the football, no cheap turnover points. And if they happen to win I'd consider it a little something extra to toast on New Years Eve! Edited December 23, 2013 by All_Pro_Bills Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dorkington Posted December 23, 2013 Share Posted December 23, 2013 (Past data...) This does not instill confidence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted December 23, 2013 Share Posted December 23, 2013 This does not instill confidence. Yeah, I almost wish I hadn't looked that up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PolishDave Posted December 23, 2013 Share Posted December 23, 2013 Thanks for that in depth research Yolo...but you just gut punched the hope I had for our defense right out of my stomach. Anyone care to muster up any good reasons to be confident? I'm at a loss. We played them close in the first game but that was in our house..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Campy Posted December 23, 2013 Share Posted December 23, 2013 Thanks for that in depth research Yolo...but you just gut punched the hope I had for our defense right out of my stomach. Anyone care to muster up any good reasons to be confident? I'm at a loss. We played them close in the first game but that was in our house..... Remember the first game against the Jets? Remember how much better the D was in the second game? Remember the first game against the Fish? Remember how much better the D was in the second game? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted December 23, 2013 Share Posted December 23, 2013 (edited) Remember the first game against the Jets? Remember how much better the D was in the second game? Remember the first game against the Fish? Remember how much better the D was in the second game? That does help... sorry everyone... I cut and pasted from Wikipedia btw and we all know they can't be trusted, right? Edited December 23, 2013 by YoloInTheBlo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dorkington Posted December 23, 2013 Share Posted December 23, 2013 We need sources! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PolishDave Posted December 23, 2013 Share Posted December 23, 2013 That does help... sorry everyone... I cut and pasted from Wikipedia btw and we all know they can't be trusted, right? Awww man dude.....and here I thought you painstakingly went and dug each of those games out and spent like an hour and a half of your precious time digging up good info just for the sake of your fell Bills fans here on this board.....lol...let down.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted December 23, 2013 Share Posted December 23, 2013 (edited) We need sources! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jets%E2%80%93Patriots_rivalryThe common denominator in those games was Sanchez giving the Pats the ball repeatedly, every which way. Awww man dude.....and here I thought you painstakingly went and dug each of those games out and spent like an hour and a half of your precious time digging up good info just for the sake of your fell Bills fans here on this board.....lol...let down.... lol- um, no. Edited December 23, 2013 by YoloInTheBlo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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