Dibs Posted December 23, 2013 Posted December 23, 2013 That's simply not happening. Here's the list of all the QB starved teams picking before the Bills pick in the 1st round... Houston St. Louis Jacksonville Oakland Cleveland Minnesota Not only will the Bills not get a sniff of Manziel or Bridgewater, they won't get a sniff of the next two QBs in line to be drafted. I wish fans here could just enjoy the fact that the Bills will have a great opportunity to draft a stud WR or OL since so many QBs will be being being picked ahead of them in the draft, this will push great talent at other positions to them. EJ Manuel is a raw talent who showed flashes of very good play and very bad play. He's had some accuracy problems, yet he would became very accurate in close games going down to the wire. What this tells me is that he has the accuracy in him, and the issue is mental and not physical. Year two he should be settled down and look much better in much longer stretches of games. Long story short, the Bills aren't picking a QB in the 1st round. In regards to the bolded line above......This to me is the main reason why I still hold some home that he can become a Franchise QB. IMO the ability to play at ones best when things are close going down to the wire is the hallmark of the truly great QBs. (To preempt being attacked.....Haters please note: I said "hold some hope"......not "will become" or "has a good chance".)
mattsox Posted December 23, 2013 Posted December 23, 2013 I do not think EJ our Thad have shown anything to justify being a good NFL QB. But at this point if I have a choice of who to start for a game I choose Thad. My argument goes like this: 1. Both are horribly inaccurate. So no advantage either way here. 2. EJ checks down. Thad airs it out. On a third and long I'll take my chances with a 20 yard jump ball rather than a 3 yard check down. 3. Thad has emotion. He was visually upset when he misses throws. If EJ misses Hogan like Thad did, EJ would jog off. Thad was on the ground pissed off. Obviously, I am just a fan and do not see the practices or many of the inner mechanics of the game. However, based on these few principles I like Thad. The only argument I can see for EJ (and I am sure I will hear it in a bunch of responses) is that EJ is a work in progress and has been battling injuries. For me personally, I am tired of excuses and waiting. Last point, going into next season I would rather have a proven veteran or another first round draft QB. But between the EJ and Thad, give me Thaddeus or give me death. Oh God, Not this #hit again?
KRT88 Posted December 23, 2013 Posted December 23, 2013 yes, dump everyone after one season. That's the best way to build a championship side.
jumbalaya Posted December 23, 2013 Posted December 23, 2013 If we had Fitz and EJ at QB this year, next weeks Pats game would have been for first place.
dubs Posted December 23, 2013 Posted December 23, 2013 Didn't Buffalo just beat a playoff bound team 19-0? You'd think from this board we were 0-15 and just got blasted again. People here are so delusional. For the first time in decades, Buffalo is finally making some good decisions at key places. We had a great 2013 draft. Anyone with any football knowledge would have expected this season to pretty much play out as it did, and that's a good thing. The team is improving, the QB position is improving, the head coach is improving. We are in the best position heading into the offseason as we've been in decades. Give it a rest negators...Rome wasn't built in a day.
CSBill Posted December 23, 2013 Posted December 23, 2013 If we had Fitz and EJ at QB this year, next weeks Pats game would have been for first place. at least still looking at the play-offs
87168 Posted December 23, 2013 Posted December 23, 2013 If we had Fitz and EJ at QB this year, next weeks Pats game would have been for first place. is that sarcasm, or do you honestly believe this to be true?
WhitewalkerInPhilly Posted December 23, 2013 Posted December 23, 2013 (edited) Worked for Carolina.... Anyway, who knows what will become of EJ, but his durability has to be of some concern. Honestly, this is a good point for me. His durability is a bit of a concern for me as well, and it really has slowed down his growth. Look, I like EJ. We've seen that he *can* be good. He absolutely shredded the Jets (an elite Defense), played well against Atlanta and showed he could snap back on the round in the game against the Jaguars. But if he is going to be missing half the games each year to injury, I would really like to start developing someone with a bit more of an upside than Thad or Tuel. Best case scenario, we wind up like the Chargers: Drew Brees and Phillip Rivers on the roster. They say that a team with two quarterbacks has none, but tell that to the Packers (who lost Aaron Rodgers, and were in free fall until Flynn came back), the 49'ers (who last year started Alex Smith, and went to the Super Bowl with Kaep), and most importantly, the Eagles. The Eagles are a fantastic case. Vick looked amazing in preseason and to start before the Eagles tanked. Nick Foles went in, and had one of the worst games that could be played against the Cowboys, and now has come back to blossom into a pretty damn good quarterback. When Quarterback in so important a position, I don't see as much as a problem to overload it. Unlike, say, drafting YET ANOTHER pass rusher, as many people keep predicting. Edited December 23, 2013 by Whitewalker Merriman
Maury Ballstein Posted December 23, 2013 Posted December 23, 2013 Fitzpicksix ! Yes He always makes the playoffs Check the records. Hahahahahahahaa.
OldTimer1960 Posted December 23, 2013 Posted December 23, 2013 And, you're welcome TYO. It may be somewhat of a surprize to learn that tens of thousands of Bills fans also consider themselves pretty good observers of the NFL, including me. While I don't observe that Manuel is Geno-bad (yes, I believed Smith would be THIS bad), the 2 dozen or so HORRIBLE plays our Rook made washes out your positive plays and we're left with a complete unknown at the games' most important position. My angst over this stems from the Bills FINALLY having such good talent on the team overall that we'd be competing for a playoff game this year, we're it not for the poor play and multiple missed games by 'the Chosen One'. Talent windows don't stay around like they used to and this teams' playoff drought is approaching epic proportion in an era where EVERY team can turn their fortunes around in one year. As for Bledsoe-like throws, I recall most good observers in awe over Fitzy's sidearm slings for TDs that "few players can make"! He says "Hi" from Tennessee.. IMO, Manuel is a 'project QB' we simply don't have the luxury of time to invest, and his gangly, scrawny legs are a huge concern. I'm good with nurturing him but NOT if we don't get another top prospect in here via Draft or trade this off-season. Just my idiotic opinion. What top QB do you suggest that they draft? There has been A LOT of hype over this year's QB draft crop, but some of the excitement is beginning to fade. Bridgewater is fairly small and played mediocre competition, Carr played poorly against USC and Manziel is under 6' and plays very undisciplined football. I admit that it might be exciting to draft "Johnny Football", but I think there is significant bust factor due to his reported off-field immaturity, lack of size and undisciplined throws that he makes. That of course is only my opinion, which isn't very qualified and may change.
nuklz2594 Posted December 23, 2013 Posted December 23, 2013 we are stuck with manuel for at least two more seasons. this season was a wash due to injuries.
mountainwampus Posted December 23, 2013 Posted December 23, 2013 OP hits the nail on the head with Thad's emotional advantage. Thad just looks more emotionally invested on the field and sidelines while EJ always seems apathetic. Thad plays with a lot of heart and airs it out fearlessly. The D is inspired by what they see and play better. If only he didn't take a shot to the ribs on the 1st play vs Saints, I think he would have won that game, too (Thanks Hacket).
dogman Posted December 23, 2013 Posted December 23, 2013 I don't see how EJ or Marrone is a significant step up from Fitz and Chan-as yet. Except Fitz wasn't going to get any better, and EJ may, might, hopefully get better. Yet, Fitz was more durable. Does it matter how good EJ is if he can't stay on the field? Marrone is a better talker and has attracted a significantly better Defensive Coordinator. Don't get me wrong I'm not a fan of the old regime, but the only real positives I see from EJ and Marrone is that the are young and may get better. Wait till next year-again...
thebandit27 Posted December 23, 2013 Posted December 23, 2013 OP hits the nail on the head with Thad's emotional advantage. Thad just looks more emotionally invested on the field and sidelines while EJ always seems apathetic. Thad plays with a lot of heart and airs it out fearlessly. The D is inspired by what they see and play better. If only he didn't take a shot to the ribs on the 1st play vs Saints, I think he would have won that game, too (Thanks Hacket). Kind like the difference between Tebow and Manning. Manning looks so bored and milquetoast on the field; give me Tebow and his fiery personality any day.
BuffOrange Posted December 23, 2013 Posted December 23, 2013 I don't think Thad has been appreciably better but I do think nobody would know the difference if you put the same # & name on the jerseys. Considering Thad is not an experienced vet, that's a bad sign for EJ.
Garranimal Posted December 23, 2013 Posted December 23, 2013 (edited) What top QB do you suggest that they draft? Blake Bortles Kind like the difference between Tebow and Manning. Manning looks so bored and milquetoast on the field; give me Tebow and his fiery personality any day. I would take a 7 game winning streak. Go back and read the positive comments about EJ in this thread. Replace "EJ" with "Tebow" and it sounds eerily similar.....minus the wins. "starts slow, doesn't go through progressions, slow eyes, inaccurate, bad footwork, strange throwing motion, gets more accurate down the stretch" Edited December 23, 2013 by Garranimal
Leelee Phoenix Posted December 23, 2013 Posted December 23, 2013 Put the rosy homer glasses aside... EJ starting: Bills were 3 point underdogs Thad starting: Bills were 1 point favorites (after the line didn't change for 4 days) It's not a good sign when your "Franchise QB" has no respect around the league.
BillsBytheBay Posted December 23, 2013 Posted December 23, 2013 we are stuck with manuel for at least two more seasons. this season was a wash due to injuries. no. Their are no "washes". He was unavailable. For what ever reason it may be, you can't learn, or produce when you're unavailable. I don't accept that as an excuse for underperformance next year. I don't think Thad has been appreciably better but I do think nobody would know the difference if you put the same # & name on the jerseys. Considering Thad is not an experienced vet, that's a bad sign for EJ. I like Thad. Not much in the tool box, but heart. I love how he gets rid of the ball. I hope he sticks around a while. Just as a backup.
TH3 Posted December 23, 2013 Posted December 23, 2013 Criminy - So much silliness.....If TL were the "starter" and EJ was the back -up underdog the same group that are Thadaholics now would be EJ maniacs - They would point to TL's inaccuracy - they fact he had four years to do something and the rest of the NFL gave up on him....why are we sticking with him, the defense bailed him out yesterday...when we have EJ ready to come in - who has show good things in spite of missing practice most of the season EJ is our future!!!....blah blah blah... The back-up QB always has the benefit of the doubt because its a win-win for them - look reasonable and you are the answer- because you are the back up and you weren't' necessarily expected to do well ....play like a back up and you did because that is what you are. For Cripe sake - if EJ had the same performances TL had against Miami - the same TL supporters would be pointing out in game one the horrible QBR (29) and in the second game the D handed the game to him. On the other hand - EJ has the burden of having to look like a "franchise" QB every time he plays - and every aspect of him is gauged against Wilson, Luck....TL - not so much because we got him for nothing....but TL "shows more emotion....!!!" EJ is exactly (minus the knee) what he was predicted - great potential - gonna take a couple of years. I love all the Alex Smith fans who point to him - he stink stank stunk for 5 years......now he is captain check down (also 2-4 in his last 6 games) but EJ checking down means will never amount to anything..... Bills are NOT going to draft a QB this year - no way - no how - unless EJ has a career ending injury next week.
thebandit27 Posted December 23, 2013 Posted December 23, 2013 Blake Bortles I would take a 7 game winning streak. Go back and read the positive comments about EJ in this thread. Replace "EJ" with "Tebow" and it sounds eerily similar.....minus the wins. "starts slow, doesn't go through progressions, slow eyes, inaccurate, bad footwork, strange throwing motion, gets more accurate down the stretch" Well as long as we're comparing, go ahead and show me where Tebow played one game even close to as sound as the games EJ had against the Jets at home and Jacksonville on the road. Thanks, and goodnight. Ridiculous comparison, and you wildly missed the point I was making.
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