3rdnlng Posted December 18, 2013 Share Posted December 18, 2013 http://www.gopusa.com/news/2013/12/18/pelosi-calls-on-obama-to-halt-deportations/?subscriber=1 In her interview with Telemundo, Mrs. Pelosi said she disputes that, saying she's appeared alongside some of those she said shouldn't have been deported. "We have seen the personal stories. And we presented them to the administration," she said. "I'm hopeful that with the documentation that we are providing to counter what others may be saying about who's being deported, that we will see action from the president." A spokesman for Mrs. Pelosi said her preferred option would be to pass a bill granting legal status to illegal immigrants, rather than relying on executive action. The spokesman said the California Democrat's stance on illegal presence in the country is a long-held position. Still, immigration lawyers said her interpretation of the law is inaccurate and that those in the country without proper authorization are deemed deportable, and it's up to the individuals in question to prove they qualify for special consideration. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted December 18, 2013 Share Posted December 18, 2013 http://www.gopusa.co...s/?subscriber=1 In her interview with Telemundo, Mrs. Pelosi said she disputes that, saying she's appeared alongside some of those she said shouldn't have been deported. "We have seen the personal stories. And we presented them to the administration," she said. "I'm hopeful that with the documentation that we are providing to counter what others may be saying about who's being deported, that we will see action from the president." A spokesman for Mrs. Pelosi said her preferred option would be to pass a bill granting legal status to illegal immigrants, rather than relying on executive action. The spokesman said the California Democrat's stance on illegal presence in the country is a long-held position. Still, immigration lawyers said her interpretation of the law is inaccurate and that those in the country without proper authorization are deemed deportable, and it's up to the individuals in question to prove they qualify for special consideration. That's actually less crazy than asking the White House to change the law via an executive order. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koko78 Posted December 18, 2013 Share Posted December 18, 2013 There's nothing crazy about it. Her political opinions and morals shift with polling data, just like Obama's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted December 18, 2013 Share Posted December 18, 2013 (edited) Pelosi Declares the End of Immigration Law Nancy Pelosi recently told Telemundo (Spanish broadcast here) that violations of immigration law should no longer have any consequences: “Our view of the law is that it — if somebody is here without sufficient documentation, that is not reason for deportation.” This wasn’t just a verbal flub; her spokesman reiterated the point, saying her comment was merely “a restatement of her long-held belief that being an undocumented immigrant is not a basis for deportation.” Nor can you write this off as just another moronic comment from the lightweight House minority leader. Rather, it’s simply an explicit articulation of the policy the Obama administration has been pursuing for five years, namely of making immigration violation a “secondary offense.” As an example of the concept, failing to wear a seatbelt is a secondary offense in many states, meaning that you can’t be pulled over by a state trooper for not wearing a seatbelt, but you can receive an additional fine if you’ve already been pulled over for a primary offense (speeding, for instance). In the immigration context, that means the administration position is that immigration law should only be applied to illegal aliens who have committed some other violation of a “real” law — murder, rape, drug-dealing, etc. It’s like going after Al Capone for not paying his taxes, but ignoring all tax cheats who aren’t mafiosi. The implications are huge, and not limited to the tenure of this administration, since this is now the consensus Democratic party position. It means the substance of immigration legislation is irrelevant; John Boehner and Paul Ryan can stuff a million enforcement provisions into an amnesty bill and it’s all just for show if being an illegal alien is no longer a reason to be removed from the country. With Democrats in charge of the Senate and the White House there is simply no basis for constructive immigration policymaking. Regardless of your views on amnesty or the level and makeup of future immigration, no assurance made by congressional Democrats or the administration regarding enforcement of new immigration laws can be believed. In this environment, any House Republican attempting to engage with Democrats on immigration is either a fool or a collaborator. Edited December 18, 2013 by B-Man Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted December 18, 2013 Author Share Posted December 18, 2013 That's actually less crazy than asking the White House to change the law via an executive order. I'm assuming passing a law to grant legal status to illegal aliens will just gut our immigration policy. Everyone in this country illegally is a criminal. They have broken the law. They don't deserve to be given legal status by changing the law or by executive order. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDBillzFan Posted December 18, 2013 Share Posted December 18, 2013 That's actually less crazy than asking the White House to change the law via an executive order. Not to mention, Jerry Brown has already made the entire state of California a sanctuary state, so if she's patient, everyone will come here anyway. You won't get deported in CA unless you are involved in a "serious crime," and as best we can tell, by "serious crime" they mean "murdering anyone related to Jerry Brown." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted December 18, 2013 Share Posted December 18, 2013 (edited) I'm assuming passing a law to grant legal status to illegal aliens will just gut our immigration policy. Everyone in this country illegally is a criminal. They have broken the law. They don't deserve to be given legal status by changing the law or by executive order. Yes, so? It's criminal because it's against the law. Pelosi's arguing that the law should be changed - properly, by the legislature - to make it no longer illegal. Where is "changing the law" crazy? Not to mention, Jerry Brown has already made the entire state of California a sanctuary state, so if she's patient, everyone will come here anyway. You won't get deported in CA unless you are involved in a "serious crime," and as best we can tell, by "serious crime" they mean "murdering anyone related to Jerry Brown." Same in the DC area. "Yes, we know he was drunk, uninsured, totaled your car and left the scene of the accident...but he's here illegally, and he'd be deported if we charged him. We don't want to ruin his life over this." What? That's EXACTLY the kind of dangerous, irresponsible illegal alien whose life you WANT to ruin! Edited December 18, 2013 by DC Tom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted December 19, 2013 Author Share Posted December 19, 2013 Yes, so? It's criminal because it's against the law. Pelosi's arguing that the law should be changed - properly, by the legislature - to make it no longer illegal. Where is "changing the law" crazy? Same in the DC area. "Yes, we know he was drunk, uninsured, totaled your car and left the scene of the accident...but he's here illegally, and he'd be deported if we charged him. We don't want to ruin his life over this." What? That's EXACTLY the kind of dangerous, irresponsible illegal alien whose life you WANT to ruin! Now Tom, you're just arguing to argue. You know damn well that changing the law will just cause more legal? illegal? immigration. You and I hit the lottery when we were born here. Our forefathers set up a constitution that made this country great. I want to keep it great. We had a reasonable, legal immigration policy for the vast majority of our existence. It started to deteriorate under Reagan and has just gotten worse with the two parties looking for the Hispanic vote. The people south of our border can follow the same procedures that the Irish, Chinese, Italians and others did. Those people assimilated, while a good share of the illegals don't give a schit about becoming a U.S. citizen or waving anything but their country's flag. Just Google the amount of illegals in prison for serious crimes here in the U.S. and you'll see what kind of people our lax attitude is attracting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted December 19, 2013 Share Posted December 19, 2013 Nancy Pelosi recently told Telemundo (Spanish broadcast here) that violations of immigration law should no longer have any consequences: “Our view of the law is that it — if somebody is here without sufficient documentation, that is not reason for deportation.” There is the crazy part. Her use of the word sufficient renders the word sufficient completely meaningless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted December 19, 2013 Share Posted December 19, 2013 Now Tom, you're just arguing to argue. You know damn well that changing the law will just cause more legal? illegal? immigration. You and I hit the lottery when we were born here. Our forefathers set up a constitution that made this country great. I want to keep it great. We had a reasonable, legal immigration policy for the vast majority of our existence. It started to deteriorate under Reagan and has just gotten worse with the two parties looking for the Hispanic vote. The people south of our border can follow the same procedures that the Irish, Chinese, Italians and others did. Those people assimilated, while a good share of the illegals don't give a schit about becoming a U.S. citizen or waving anything but their country's flag. Just Google the amount of illegals in prison for serious crimes here in the U.S. and you'll see what kind of people our lax attitude is attracting. No, you're just arguing to argue. You haven't demonstrated anything "crazy" about a legislator wanting to legislate. You just disagree with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted December 19, 2013 Author Share Posted December 19, 2013 No, you're just arguing to argue. You haven't demonstrated anything "crazy" about a legislator wanting to legislate. You just disagree with it. Yes, I disagree with the crazy notion that we should just legislate illegal activity away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koko78 Posted December 19, 2013 Share Posted December 19, 2013 Yes, I disagree with the crazy notion that we should just legislate illegal activity away. Well that actually is how to make illegal activity legal... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted December 19, 2013 Author Share Posted December 19, 2013 Well that actually is how to make illegal activity legal... And as I said in the title of the OP, it's her stance that I believe is crazy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted December 19, 2013 Share Posted December 19, 2013 Well that actually is how to make illegal activity legal... Oh, that's just crazy talk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wacka Posted December 19, 2013 Share Posted December 19, 2013 Tom as they said you are stirring the pot. Come live here in CA to see the problem. Do all the Lowes and Home Depots have illegals milling around in the lot every single day? Has a public hospital closed down because of losses from the numbers of illegals ? Drive through the central valley. The spanish radio stations outnumber the english speaking ones? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaska Darin Posted December 19, 2013 Share Posted December 19, 2013 Yes, I disagree with the crazy notion that we should just legislate illegal activity away. Uh, what? Tom as they said you are stirring the pot. Come live here in CA to see the problem. Do all the Lowes and Home Depots have illegals milling around in the lot every single day? Has a public hospital closed down because of losses from the numbers of illegals ? Drive through the central valley. The spanish radio stations outnumber the english speaking ones? No one said the illegal immigration isn't a problem. California's caused their own headaches. Either figure out how to fix it or move away. In any event, Pelosi advocating a legislative solution isn't crazy even if her actual solution is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted December 19, 2013 Author Share Posted December 19, 2013 Uh, what? No one said the illegal immigration isn't a problem. California's caused their own headaches. Either figure out how to fix it or move away. In any event, Pelosi advocating a legislative solution isn't crazy even if her actual solution is. Note the word "stance" used in the OP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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