dave mcbride Posted December 10, 2013 Posted December 10, 2013 (edited) Graham, Goodwin, and even Woods are small receivers by today's standards. Johnson has size and players taller than his listed hight because of his long arms, but he's the only one. Chandler plays much smaller than his height because he has terrible leaping ability. Anyway, we've drafted the first three listed here with high picks in the last couple of years. Other teams -- e.g., the Bears -- have prioritized big receivers. The Bills are 28th in passing yards and 29th in passing TDs. It is a passing league. One has to question the drafting. Edited December 10, 2013 by dave mcbride
boyst Posted December 10, 2013 Posted December 10, 2013 But but but Goodwin is Olympic speed fast and Brown is short and fast and is one of the best in the league. You can't coach speed. You're right and I've been frustrated with it for a few seasons. I'd take Nelson back over Goodwin and Graham combined. Its nice to have someone run really fast outside the hashes but few QB's can make the throw and have a WR with hands enough to catch it. I'd take an over the middle guy like Nelson any day. Lee Evand , for that matter, would make moves across the middle. We need to find the intermediate passing game, the 7-11 yard plays. The best way to establish that besides a WR is a bonafide outside WR, which we arguably have, a QB with the accuracy and balls to throw it in traffic, which we don't have, and a consistent running game, which we don't have by design of play calling and RB quality overall - Fred can't do it all himself and he is not breaking those 15-20 yard runs like he used to. We need to get the safeties out of the box and stepping back before they step forward. We need an open middle and a QB who will put it there.
C.Biscuit97 Posted December 10, 2013 Posted December 10, 2013 TY Hilton looks plenty fine. Victor Cruz is a stud. Desean Jackson is having the best season of his career. I will say the Goodwin pick doesn't make sense the year after you draft Graham. Seem like very similar players, though Goodwin looks to be the better receiver. That said, we are terrible in the red zone. The Lions are one of the best and they have monsters at wrs. As someone who never wants the Bills to lose, if it gets us in the top 5 in a position to draft Mike Evans, I hope we don't win a game the rest of the season.
Mopreme Posted December 10, 2013 Posted December 10, 2013 The Bills had a tall receiver with speed. They released him. The same guy just scored two touchdowns last weekend, one on a 69 yard bomb. Luckily, we kept 7 11 and Easley who have done nothing. Patience is a virtue. It look Eric Moulds three years to be a beast. Again, the Bills front office is a joke.
PaattMaann Posted December 10, 2013 Posted December 10, 2013 Who is Grissom?? Am I missing something? It's good to have size, especially when you have none - TJ must go and must be replaced with a larger WR - and hopefully the chandler experience is over and we can get some athletic TE who is also large Goodwin seems like the real deal, he has shown more than just speed - when woods and Stevie were out, Goodwin played his best game A lineup or Stevie, woods, Goodwin and some new, big bodied WR sounds ideal to me (but Stevie will still not be clutch and disappear at times in the game/season)
C.Biscuit97 Posted December 10, 2013 Posted December 10, 2013 Who is Grissom?? Am I missing something? It's good to have size, especially when you have none - TJ must go and must be replaced with a larger WR - and hopefully the chandler experience is over and we can get some athletic TE who is also large Goodwin seems like the real deal, he has shown more than just speed - when woods and Stevie were out, Goodwin played his best game A lineup or Stevie, woods, Goodwin and some new, big bodied WR sounds ideal to me (but Stevie will still not be clutch and disappear at times in the game/season) Mike Evans, Stevie, Woods, Goodwin, 2nd or 3rd round TE, and Chandler.
YoloinOhio Posted December 10, 2013 Posted December 10, 2013 It is clear that a WR who is close to the size of an Alshon Jeffery with great hands would be a huge help to EJ and this offense. No doubt. We really only need 1, IMO. Hopefully in the draft. Then make Woods #2, SJ in the slot, Goodwin as a situational deep threat/KR, and so long to TJ Graham.
Sisyphean Bills Posted December 10, 2013 Posted December 10, 2013 Does it say anything when a team prioritizes kickoff returners in the draft?
PaattMaann Posted December 10, 2013 Posted December 10, 2013 Mike Evans, Stevie, Woods, Goodwin, 2nd or 3rd round TE, and Chandler. I like that - but why would we be keeping chandler in this situation? He can't block, he's slow, he doesn't use his frame to catch balls, he drops a lot of balls.....
C.Biscuit97 Posted December 10, 2013 Posted December 10, 2013 I like that - but why would we be keeping chandler in this situation? He can't block, he's slow, he doesn't use his frame to catch balls, he drops a lot of balls..... If Chandler is your #2 TE, you got a really good situation. He had a bad year but that could be a very good redzone offense.
boyst Posted December 10, 2013 Posted December 10, 2013 If Chandler is your #2 TE, you got a really good situation. He had a bad year but that could be a very good redzone offense. I want to see them put Chandler out wide more to get that mismatch. But as soon as I think that I remember just how small he plays.
PaattMaann Posted December 10, 2013 Posted December 10, 2013 If Chandler is your #2 TE, you got a really good situation. He had a bad year but that could be a very good redzone offense. But don't you want a number 2 TE that can be a physical blocker?
boyst Posted December 10, 2013 Posted December 10, 2013 But don't you want a number 2 TE that can be a physical blocker? this off season work summers at in line blocking and maybe we can get some production that way
Awwufelloff Posted December 10, 2013 Posted December 10, 2013 I just watched Jeffrey and Marshall torch the Cowboys last night. We need a tall physical WR. Julio, AJ, Dez, Marshall, DT, we need that guy Asap...
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted December 10, 2013 Posted December 10, 2013 This is a trickly issue. I agree that the "big receiver" poses some great advantages. But you can be small and play big (and vice versa). You have guys like Antonio Brown, Mike Wallace, Deshean Jackson, and Victor Cruz as top-10 receivers and all 6 ft tall or less. I think all of them seem to "play bigger" than they are--i.e., can outmuscle and outjump guys and make themselves bigger targets. I just watched Jeffrey and Marshall torch the Cowboys last night. We need a tall physical WR. Julio, AJ, Dez, Marshall, DT, we need that guy Asap... That's also the kind of mentality that led us to drafting James Hardy.
dave mcbride Posted December 10, 2013 Author Posted December 10, 2013 This is a trickly issue. I agree that the "big receiver" poses some great advantages. But you can be small and play big (and vice versa). You have guys like Antonio Brown, Mike Wallace, Deshean Jackson, and Victor Cruz as top-10 receivers and all 6 ft tall or less. I think all of them seem to "play bigger" than they are--i.e., can outmuscle and outjump guys and make themselves bigger targets. That's also the kind of mentality that led us to drafting James Hardy. Yep, Hardy was on my mind too. As I recall, that draft was loaded with big second round receivers who busted in the second round - Hardy, Malcolm Kelly, Devin Thomas. Check it out - TEN receivers were drafted in the second round in 2008. Desean Jackson and Jordy Nelson were the cream of the crop: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_NFL_Draft . The trick is to get good big receivers, no?
Sisyphean Bills Posted December 10, 2013 Posted December 10, 2013 That's also the kind of mentality that led us to drafting James Hardy. I was thinking the same thing. James Hardly was tall and reportedly knew a thing or two about small arms. Too bad he had the fluidity of a baby giraffe.
Wayne Cubed Posted December 10, 2013 Posted December 10, 2013 The Bills had a tall receiver with speed. They released him. The same guy just scored two touchdowns last weekend, one on a 69 yard bomb. Luckily, we kept 7 11 and Easley who have done nothing. Patience is a virtue. It look Eric Moulds three years to be a beast. Again, the Bills front office is a joke. Huh? If you are refering to Rodgers, which I believe you are. He's 6-1 a bit and ran about a 4.52 forty. Wouldn't exactly call that tall and fast. Compare him to Woods, who is 6-0 and ran a 4.50 forty. Tall, in this thread I take to mean 6-4 +
metzelaars_lives Posted December 10, 2013 Posted December 10, 2013 (edited) This is a trickly issue. I agree that the "big receiver" poses some great advantages. But you can be small and play big (and vice versa). You have guys like Antonio Brown, Mike Wallace, Deshean Jackson, and Victor Cruz as top-10 receivers and all 6 ft tall or less. I think all of them seem to "play bigger" than they are--i.e., can outmuscle and outjump guys and make themselves bigger targets. That's also the kind of mentality that led us to drafting James Hardy. Uhh I don't know that Mike Wallace is a top 30 WR in this league but OK. As far the Jeffery-Hardy comparison I was thinking the same exact thing last night. Both fell a little bit because of character issues if I'm not mistaken? Jeffery had better production in college. But either way, I don't blame the front office for every pick; it is not an exact science. I LOVED the James Hardy pick at the time. It was the type of pick the Bills don't normally make. What I hate are the "cute" picks. Oh, a guy from Buffalo has already fallen in the draft and we need a TE in the biggest way- let's take a DT from a small school projected to go in the 3rd round. That is a "cute" pick. But I digress. EDIT: And honestly, none of your WR's listed are top 10 WR's in the NFL. Who on here wouldn't take Jeffery, Vincent Jackson, Julio Jones, Josh Gordon et al over any of those guys. Edited December 10, 2013 by metzelaars_lives
PaattMaann Posted December 10, 2013 Posted December 10, 2013 Also, theres a reason not every team has a Calvin Johnson, Dez Bryant, Julio Jones, Brandon Marshall, big fast WR - 6'4, fast WRs dont grow on trees...sooooo, wanting us to have one, and us actually having the opportunity to have one are two drastically different things now if there was a 6'4, fast WR and we PASSED on them, or chose not to add them to our roster...then id be upset
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