RuntheDamnBall Posted December 4, 2013 Posted December 4, 2013 Really the only thing is he's a (restricted) free agent next year. I imagine we tender him, but would have to do it at the 3rd round level to get any compensation since he was a UDFA I'd do that. They traded a former 4th or 5th rounder for him, right?
NoSaint Posted December 4, 2013 Posted December 4, 2013 I'd do that. They traded a former 4th or 5th rounder for him, right? Wasn't it just white?
YoloinOhio Posted December 4, 2013 Author Posted December 4, 2013 I'd do that. They traded a former 4th or 5th rounder for him, right? I thought it was Chris White straight up, and wasn't he a 7th rd pick?
RuntheDamnBall Posted December 4, 2013 Posted December 4, 2013 Wasn't it just white? OK, White was a former sixth rounder. I stand corrected.
Buffalo Barbarian Posted December 4, 2013 Posted December 4, 2013 I have seen some people say they think Thad is a viable backup and others say we need to draft another guy to be EJ's backup/compete for the starting job. I would like to see the Bills sign a veteran instead of adding yet another rookie to the mix. Here are some options and former starting QBs who are either FAs or likely to be cut as teams move on or draft a new guy: Gabbert - Jags moving on, could be an OK backup but not really a "vet" Ponder - will get cut, not sure about fit as backup b/c EJ/Ponder duo at FSU kind of weird Schaub - will get cut, could be an OK backup because vet with playoff exp Cousins - would require trade, low experience but high upside for success based on limited action Mallett - FA after this year, not sure if Pats will sign him Sanchez - could be OK? Will get another chance somewhere, likely. Playoff experience? Freeman - FA, Vikes will likely not re-sign Vick - Interesting option, not sure about mentorship for EJ which is what I would want from a vet Would you want any of these guys over Thad? Move Thad to 3rd QB or cut him? Bring in Mallett, EJ to backup
Captain Hindsight Posted December 4, 2013 Posted December 4, 2013 Unless EJ lights up the last month here - he may be one of the sorter leashes next year. I simply don't see how anyone can have that stance. EJ and Marrone are tied together and frankly I think we have a really good one that is just scratching the surface of what he can do
NoSaint Posted December 4, 2013 Posted December 4, 2013 I simply don't see how anyone can have that stance. EJ and Marrone are tied together and frankly I think we have a really good one that is just scratching the surface of what he can do If ej goes 1-3 and looks lackluster then comes out slow next year you really don't think a vet could see playing time if he was a viable option? Further, as I said one of the shorter leashes I'd say you'd be challenged to name more than 10-12 guys less entrenched in their job and 2-3 of those will be replaced via the draft. If your a guy like Schaub or freeman and want to play we aren't at the top of the list but I'd say 7-10th least secure qb position wouldn't be unreasonable. Jacksonville, Minnesota, Oakland, Cleveland, nyj, Houston, Tennessee... Chicago maybe, depending on cutler, who likely stays.... And then it gets hard to name teams less set at qb for 2014...
YoloinOhio Posted December 4, 2013 Author Posted December 4, 2013 If ej goes 1-3 and looks lackluster then comes out slow next year you really don't think a vet could see playing time if he was a viable option? Further, as I said one of the shorter leashes I'd say you'd be challenged to name more than 10-12 guys less entrenched in their job and 2-3 of those will be replaced via the draft. If your a guy like Schaub or freeman and want to play we aren't at the top of the list but I'd say 7-10th least secure qb position wouldn't be unreasonable. Jacksonville, Minnesota, Oakland, Cleveland, nyj, Houston, Tennessee... Chicago maybe, depending on cutler, who likely stays.... And then it gets hard to name teams less set at qb for 2014... It depends on who that vet is, but no, at this point I don't see the Bills going that route next year.
C.Biscuit97 Posted December 4, 2013 Posted December 4, 2013 If ej goes 1-3 and looks lackluster then comes out slow next year you really don't think a vet could see playing time if he was a viable option? Further, as I said one of the shorter leashes I'd say you'd be challenged to name more than 10-12 guys less entrenched in their job and 2-3 of those will be replaced via the draft. If your a guy like Schaub or freeman and want to play we aren't at the top of the list but I'd say 7-10th least secure qb position wouldn't be unreasonable. Jacksonville, Minnesota, Oakland, Cleveland, nyj, Houston, Tennessee... Chicago maybe, depending on cutler, who likely stays.... And then it gets hard to name teams less set at qb for 2014... You're a very good poster but I disagree with you here for a few reasons. 1) W-L record is such a terrible way to judge a QB. EJ lost the ATL game despite helping us score 31, leaving the field with a lead, then after the defense gave up the lead, he again led us in position to try a very easy GW fg, and then in overtime, he had us driving again and another fumble (terrible run-on sentence I know). He was leading us on a drive against Cleveland that put us up late in the 3rd quarter and then left the game. He left the field in his 1st start against NE with the lead. EJ got 3 losses in those 3 games. Alex Smith is 9-3 and won a game against the Jeff Tuel-led Bills in which the Bills outgained the Chiefs by over 200 yards and KC didn't score an offensive td. He got a W. Win-loss is very misleading stat unless you are probably one of the top 5 guys in the league (Rodgers, Brady, Peyton, Brees, etc.) 2) Again, his numbers match up pretty well with a lot of rookie qbs and is even better than a good share of really good QBs in their rookie years. Currently, his numbers are basically on par with Andrew Luck's number and this is Luck's 2nd year. 3) He missed 2 weeks of his first training camp and then a month of 1st season. Those are huge for a young QB. Basically, the worst thing you can do is give up on a young QB too early. This isn't JP Losman. Any rational fan can see some definite positives from EJ this year. People like to point to the Pittsburgh game but how about leading a game winning drive against a top 3 defense in Carolina? How about avenging his worst game of the season against the Jets and lighting them up in a very windy day without his top 2 reasons. The only reason you would even consider another QB is because of injury concerns with EJ. Another injury would worry me greatly. But IMO, to even consider not giving EJ one more full season before making a decision would just be awful. And we'd run the next guy out of town after his first struggles as well. Just my opinion.
NoSaint Posted December 4, 2013 Posted December 4, 2013 (edited) You're a very good poster but I disagree with you here for a few reasons. 1) W-L record is such a terrible way to judge a QB. EJ lost the ATL game despite helping us score 31, leaving the field with a lead, then after the defense gave up the lead, he again led us in position to try a very easy GW fg, and then in overtime, he had us driving again and another fumble (terrible run-on sentence I know). He was leading us on a drive against Cleveland that put us up late in the 3rd quarter and then left the game. He left the field in his 1st start against NE with the lead. EJ got 3 losses in those 3 games. Alex Smith is 9-3 and won a game against the Jeff Tuel-led Bills in which the Bills outgained the Chiefs by over 200 yards and KC didn't score an offensive td. He got a W. Win-loss is very misleading stat unless you are probably one of the top 5 guys in the league (Rodgers, Brady, Peyton, Brees, etc.) 2) Again, his numbers match up pretty well with a lot of rookie qbs and is even better than a good share of really good QBs in their rookie years. Currently, his numbers are basically on par with Andrew Luck's number and this is Luck's 2nd year. 3) He missed 2 weeks of his first training camp and then a month of 1st season. Those are huge for a young QB. Basically, the worst thing you can do is give up on a young QB too early. This isn't JP Losman. Any rational fan can see some definite positives from EJ this year. People like to point to the Pittsburgh game but how about leading a game winning drive against a top 3 defense in Carolina? How about avenging his worst game of the season against the Jets and lighting them up in a very windy day without his top 2 reasons. The only reason you would even consider another QB is because of injury concerns with EJ. Another injury would worry me greatly. But IMO, to even consider not giving EJ one more full season before making a decision would just be awful. And we'd run the next guy out of town after his first struggles as well. Just my opinion. oh, no harm in disagreeing. i like EJ too, and am not in the crowd advocating replacing him with a top draft pick or anything - simply saying he still has to prove hes the starter for week 17 of next year, while 20+ guys likely have that wrapped up unless they are injured. his couple of injuries, though perhaps fluky, could be something that a vet qb looks at (or our front office) too. hes definitely not in the "must replace crowd" but if you had to pick a guy penciled in as week one starter most likely to not make it through the year hes got to be on the upper third of the list. who his backup ends up being of course changes the discussion wildly, as i dont think you bench him unless he both plays poorly consistently AND has a viable backup. Edited December 4, 2013 by NoSaint
RyanC883 Posted December 4, 2013 Posted December 4, 2013 I'd like to take a shot with Vick. He's been cool as Foles backup, and he could compete for the starting job unlike most others in the list, which should bring out the best in both QB's. Here is what I would actually do: Keep Thad, and bring in Savage from Pitt as an un-drafted FA to challenge Tuel. Savage can throw lazers all over the field, is big, and can stay in the pocket with pressure. So, Thad is the backup, with Savage challenging Tuel.
Dorkington Posted December 4, 2013 Posted December 4, 2013 (edited) I'm ok with: EJ and Thad - open competition or EJ and high first round QB in this draft - open competition -- I haven't given up on EJ yet, but he also hasn't earned the right to be starter, no questions asked. Edited December 4, 2013 by Dorkington
NoSaint Posted December 4, 2013 Posted December 4, 2013 (edited) i guess ill list names in the short leash discussion... you have these 16 that all are essentially written in sharpie on their depth chart based on play and contract, or jobs considered "filled": Brees, Manning, Wilson, Cam, Brady, Luck, rogers, stafford, matt ryan, flacco, rivers kaepernick and romo.... cutler and rothlisberger are FAs but likely to start for their current teams, definitely starting for a team. youd have to think RG3 is here too given what they gave up but cousins could challenge him - regardless id say the redskins seat is filled by someone on the roster. the next group are guys are ones that youd fully expect to start all 2014 in here unless the perfect draft pick fell to them - dalton (probably group 1), alex smith, carson palmer, tannehill (probably group 1 unless miami really gets crazy), and probably eli manning, bradford and foles.... and then id say you have EJ, and mike glennon in the slightly precarious, promising but not proven category still before getting to maybe a locker who didnt get a good opportunity this year either and then the bottom of the barrel where you expect 2-3 of the last 8 to be replaced via draft Edited December 4, 2013 by NoSaint
Dorkington Posted December 4, 2013 Posted December 4, 2013 I almost forgot.. do we have Kolb next year? What's going on with him?
NoSaint Posted December 4, 2013 Posted December 4, 2013 I almost forgot.. do we have Kolb next year? What's going on with him? hes possible, but id guess extremely unlikely. right now nothing is going on, simply waiting in a holding pattern til the offseason.
Dorkington Posted December 4, 2013 Posted December 4, 2013 Do we have him signed? Has there ever been any word about if his concussion is career threatening? I'd rather we not be stuck with him... but our hands might be effectively tied if he's healthy, under contract and cutting him costs us money, heh.
NoSaint Posted December 4, 2013 Posted December 4, 2013 Do we have him signed? Has there ever been any word about if his concussion is career threatening? I'd rather we not be stuck with him... but our hands might be effectively tied if he's healthy, under contract and cutting him costs us money, heh. he signed a 2 year deal. you have to think that given his concussion history, and that this type of hit landed him on IR his career is at best VERY questionable moving forward.
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