Victory for Iran

[....lybob]

That's some high level long term strategic thinking from a group who couldn't get a website going in two years.

Comforting the afflicted and afflicting the comfortable, sometimes things have to get worse before they get better.

[B-Man]

Iran’s Nuclear Future: Looking Past America

 

FTA:

 

While reading the piece, I noticed an accompanying photo — a picture of Iranian foreign minister Mohammad JavadZarif shaking the hand of Secretary of State John Kerry after the deal was signed. In a plain and powerful way, the seemingly innocuous photo tells the entire story of this deal. Check out the photo here.

 

Sometimes a picture really is worth a thousand words. The Americans, posturing tough. The Iranians, smiling. Secretary Kerry glaring at Foreign Minister Zarif, as if to say “We mean business mister, can’t you tell? You’d better keep your word.” But Zarif is not glaring back, he’s looking right past Kerry and the Americans. He sees Iran’s nuclear future, and likes what he sees.

 

The photo neatly sums up the result of the deal. The administration desperately wanted a diplomatic deal with Iran, because it’s never actually been serious about doing what is necessary to prevent an Iranian bomb. This short-term deal is a chance to look tough, without actually preventing the capacity Iran needs to eventually get a bomb.

 

The Iranians not only brokered a deal that did not suspend current uranium enrichment, but more significantly, they got the Americans to effectively recognize the right to Iranian uranium enrichment. Even the usually feckless United Nations is unwilling to make these concessions.

 

 

Keep reading this post . . .

 

 

 

 

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[DC Tom]

The Iranians not only brokered a deal that did not suspend current uranium enrichment, but more significantly, they got the Americans to effectively recognize the right to Iranian uranium enrichment. Even the usually feckless United Nations is unwilling to make these concessions.

 

What a surprise. Not unlike how a "red line" applied to a regime that lost its "legitimate right to rule" turned into de facto and de jure official recognition of that regime.

 

Next up: an agreement with the Hutus that Tutsis are cockroaches.

[B-Man]

Dennis Miller Show ✔ @DennisDMZ Follow

 

BiBi...just think of it as one less phone call you gotta make when it's go time.

 

10:57 PM - 24 Nov 2013

 

 

 

Compare and Contrast.............tweets edition

 

 

 

 

Benjamin NetanyahuVerified account ‏@netanyahu

For years the intl community has demanded that Iran cease uranium enrichment. Now it consents to it, in direct contravention of UNSC res 3/5

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Barack ObamaVerified account ‏@BarackObama

Magnets are cool. http://OFA.BO/ddjjQc

 

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[DC Tom]

Magnets are cool. http://OFA.BO/ddjjQc

 

"Free magnets, just pay $10."

 

It's just a complete !@#$ing mystery why this crack economic team couldn't create health care reform that made a lick of sense...

[dayman]

So the article said the relief is valued at $7B? And that the restriction on enrichment are minimal. Sounds like a token deal that really has no indication on what the final deal will be, but has some indication that a final deal is possible.

[DC Tom]

So the article said the relief is valued at $7B? And that the restriction on enrichment are minimal. Sounds like a token deal that really has no indication on what the final deal will be, but has some indication that a final deal is possible.

 

Key point that some people are missing, too: the $7B relief is relief from sanctions - it's already Iranian money, we're just finally making it available to them.

 

Seen lots of places stupidly claiming it's an aid package, out of our own pockets.

[dayman]

Key point that some people are missing, too: the $7B relief is relief from sanctions - it's already Iranian money, we're just finally making it available to them.

 

Seen lots of places stupidly claiming it's an aid package, out of our own pockets.

 

I mean we're giving them $7B of their own money back to them. That is our concession? I'd say that getting any sort of slow down in exchange for that at this point is fine.

[Trump_is_Mentally_fit]

Oh man, Obama wants to bomb Syria and he's a warmonger

 

Now he wants to reach a deal with Iran and the right wing idiots are jumping and pulling their little peckers screaming that that he's weak and not standing up to evil and leaving our Israel to the devils.

 

Blah blah blah....

[DC Tom]

I mean we're giving them $7B of their own money back to them. That is our concession? I'd say that getting any sort of slow down in exchange for that at this point is fine.

 

Yes, it's like I said: a good first step, but that's all it is.

 

The only problem being, after the Syrian "red line," is there anyone on the planet that would expect this administration to do anything more than talk tough about violations?

 

Oh man, Obama wants to bomb Syria and he's a warmonger

 

Now he wants to reach a deal with Iran and the right wing idiots are jumping and pulling their little peckers screaming that that he's weak and not standing up to evil and leaving our Israel to the devils.

 

Blah blah blah....

 

Just to be absolutely clear: you are completely, irretrievably, hilariously unable to discuss either topic (Iran or Syria).

[dayman]

Yes, it's like I said: a good first step, but that's all it is.

 

The only problem being, after the Syrian "red line," is there anyone on the planet that would expect this administration to do anything more than talk tough about violations

 

Well you just "reinstate full and/or enhanced sanctions." That is easily done, at least as it applies to only the U.S. In any event I think this brings more attention to their reactors than anything...there will be a microscope on everything that is going on there now if anything I think that is a win for those against it.

[Trump_is_Mentally_fit]

 

 

 

 

 

Just to be absolutely clear: you are completely, irretrievably, hilariously unable to discuss either topic (Iran or Syria).

 

Well, I'm not going to shoot my mouth off and act like know it all like you. So what? That doesn't make some the idiotic things you have said any more intelligent

[B-Man]

to some its a matter of survival and not "community organizing"

 

 

 

 

Source: Netanyahu Scolded Obama in Phone Call on Iran Deal

 

"The prime minister made it clear to the most powerful man on earth that if he intends to stay the most powerful man on earth, it's important to make a change in American policy because the practical result of his current policy is liable to lead him to the same failure that the Americans absorbed in North Korea and Pakistan, and Iran could be next in line."

 

That was the message conveyed by Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu to President Barack Obama in a private telephone call Sunday to discuss the interim deal on Iran's nuclear program, according to a senior Israeli lawmaker in Netanyahu's ruling coalition, as reported by the Jerusalem Post.

 

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Peace/2013/11/25/Source-Netanyahu-Scolded-Obama-in-Phone-Call-on-Iran-Deal

[Koko78]

I think everyone makes this too complex. John Kerry negotiated the deal. Air go it is a bad deal because John Kerry is a loser.

 

Well he was against it before he was for it. Then he gave himself a purple heart for the paper cut he received looking over the text of the deal.

[3rdnlng]

Oh man, Obama wants to bomb Syria and he's a warmonger

 

Now he wants to reach a deal with Iran and the right wing idiots are jumping and pulling their little peckers screaming that that he's weak and not standing up to evil and leaving our Israel to the devils.

 

Blah blah blah....

 

Just how many right wing little peckers have you inspected?

[DC Tom]

Well, I'm not going to shoot my mouth off and act like know it all

 

And yet, you do.

[K-9]

Anyone seen the Iranian guy with the blue turban?

[B-Man]

Check out this White House statement from today;....................... Worst timing ever?

 

 

 

 

 

 

Hmm, wasn’t there just a deal made with Iran? Don’t you think that perhaps bringing Mr. Levinson home should have been part of the deal?

 

Nah! Pastor Saaed was not included either as both Martha MacCallum and Sarah Palin pointed out.

 

But, hey, the White House is totally committed, guys.

 

 

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[IDBillzFan]

Hmm, wasn’t there just a deal made with Iran? Don’t you think that perhaps bringing Mr. Levinson home should have been part of the deal?

 

There's probably a better chance that, as part of their negotiating strategy, the WH told Iran they could keep Levinson AND get their money if they will just sign a deal sometime in the next 90 days.

 

To think this administration has any respect for Americans captured or murdered in another country is a fool's game. They don't care about the Benghazi Four, they don't care Brian Terry and they should the hell don't care about a Christian pastor.

 

But hey...helluva money grab in LA yesterday. Obama and Magic Johnson are tighter than two fingers up a pig's nose.

[DC Tom]

Check out this White House statement from today;....................... Worst timing ever?

 

 

 

 

 

 

Hmm, wasn’t there just a deal made with Iran? Don’t you think that perhaps bringing Mr. Levinson home should have been part of the deal?

 

Nah! Pastor Saaed was not included either as both Martha MacCallum and Sarah Palin pointed out.

 

But, hey, the White House is totally committed, guys.

 

 

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The White House chose not to attach an irrelevant matter of internal Iranian criminal law to an international agreement on non-proliferation?

 

You're criticizing them for doing something RIGHT for once?