mannc Posted November 24, 2013 Posted November 24, 2013 I am certain there are people on the staff of every coached football team from 7th grade up that tell the head coach the situations so that he doesn't miss something. If you think Tresman didn't know exactly what was going on then that explains a lot. Things you do not know about that situation: What is best strategy for our football team? Does our offense need those timeouts while moving down the field? How do the Ravens play a team with no time-outs vs a team with time outs? Where can we be most likely to succeed based on our scouting of the opponent? Is there a better opportunity for chunk yardage if we have time outs? If we have no time outs are the Ravens going to force us to check-down or force a throw into trouble? Its like MTV used to say: You think you know, but you have no idea. And I have no idea what your point is. Are you saying that us dummies watching from the stands can't judge when the coach has made a poor game management decision?
BillsFan-4-Ever Posted November 24, 2013 Posted November 24, 2013 if a high risk call work they are a genius, if not they are seen as poor game managers
mannc Posted November 24, 2013 Posted November 24, 2013 I totally agree with Thurmal34. Head Coaches make decisions that sometimes fans in the stadium and tv viewers don't agree with or think are obviously incorrect precisely because they are NOT caught up in the game day atmosphere. They know their percentages, they know their play book and they know the capability of their players better than anyone. So sometimes they will make calls that might appear odd. I said it the other day in another thread about Sean Payton with the Saints snapping the ball at 2.03.... he has Drew Brees, so that factors into his decisions on game management (he might not call the same plays in and around the 2minute warning if Rex Grossman for example was his Quarterback). I though Trestman's explanation made sense and I actually thought Doug Marrone's explanation on the punt at Pitt made sense too, even though I like everyone else watching on TV thought it looked crazy at the time. I could not disagree more. The entire point is that NFL coaches frequently ignore mathematical probababilities in favor of conventional wisdom and fear of being second guessed, not because of some unique insight that they as coaches have. The OP theorizes that the coaches might also blow it because they get caught up in the moment and lose perspective, which is also a possibility. And if you think Marrone's explanation for that punt made sense, you are just wrong.
machine gun kelly Posted November 24, 2013 Posted November 24, 2013 We've experienced this offensive coaching staff improve in their management throughout the year. Just look to the chief's game. What an excellent game plan and well managed. Marrone can't control he had a horrible QB to deal with who singlehandedly lost that game along with my least favorite WR in Graham. Pettine is fantastic and has a very well disciplined defense. If they were not on the field so much they would be known as one of the best in the league. The problem is the obvious. We have a rookie QB who was out for more than half of the season including pre-season. The back ups were not that good (Lewis was ok), and we desperately needed a back up like Hassleback, but none are available. The lesson is next year we draft strong again, and pick up an available smart older QB to help Marrone with Manuel, and be game ready at any time. I would love to have a smart QB like Hassleback there for us. We'll see. Each of us can scrutinize every move of the coaches, but the obvious is sometimes the answer. EJ needs to make no more bonehead moves like in Cleveland as he now see when he gets hurt for a month, it kills the team. Get out of bounds and are record looks different. I bet we would have beat celveland, possibly KC, and Cincy. Now we are 7-4, going into the soft part of the season. We finish 10-6 to 11-5 and making our first playoff birth in 13 years.
vegas55 Posted November 24, 2013 Author Posted November 24, 2013 We've experienced this offensive coaching staff improve in their management throughout the year. Just look to the chief's game. What an excellent game plan and well managed. Marrone can't control he had a horrible QB to deal with who singlehandedly lost that game along with my least favorite WR in Graham. Pettine is fantastic and has a very well disciplined defense. If they were not on the field so much they would be known as one of the best in the league. The problem is the obvious. We have a rookie QB who was out for more than half of the season including pre-season. The back ups were not that good (Lewis was ok), and we desperately needed a back up like Hassleback, but none are available. The lesson is next year we draft strong again, and pick up an available smart older QB to help Marrone with Manuel, and be game ready at any time. I would love to have a smart QB like Hassleback there for us. We'll see. Each of us can scrutinize every move of the coaches, but the obvious is sometimes the answer. EJ needs to make no more bonehead moves like in Cleveland as he now see when he gets hurt for a month, it kills the team. Get out of bounds and are record looks different. I bet we would have beat celveland, possibly KC, and Cincy. Now we are 7-4, going into the soft part of the season. We finish 10-6 to 11-5 and making our first playoff birth in 13 years. The OP states in the first sentence that Marrone is a great coach. And it's agreed that the game plan is usually very good and that Pettine has done wonders. But that has nothing to do with game day management
Thurmal34 Posted November 24, 2013 Posted November 24, 2013 INFL coaches frequently ignore mathematical probababilities in favor of conventional wisdom and fear of being second guessed, not because of some unique insight that they as coaches have. People that eschew math in favor of instinct are idiots. Math wins every single time. Decisions based on proven formulas are always correct.
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted November 25, 2013 Posted November 25, 2013 LOL You serious? Yeah. I am serious. Why should the head coach be tasked with in game management? He should delegate it. Check out the week in the life of John harbaugh thread, which describes his job duties. with being in charge of the whole operation, it makes sense for someone with a clear head to manage game day strategy calls.
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