BuffaloBill Posted November 22, 2013 Share Posted November 22, 2013 Four score and seven years ago our fathers brought forth on this continent a new nation, conceived in liberty, and dedicated to the proposition that all men are created equal. Now we are engaged in a great civil war, testing whether that nation, or any nation so conceived and so dedicated, can long endure. We are met on a great battlefield of that war. We have come to dedicate a portion of that field, as a final resting place for those who here gave their lives that that nation might live. It is altogether fitting and proper that we should do this. But, in a larger sense, we can not dedicate, we can not consecrate, we can not hallow this ground. The brave men, living and dead, who struggled here, have consecrated it, far above our poor power to add or detract. The world will little note, nor long remember what we say here, but it can never forget what they did here. It is for us the living, rather, to be dedicated here to the unfinished work which they who fought here have thus far so nobly advanced. It is rather for us to be here dedicated to the great task remaining before us—that from these honored dead we take increased devotion to that cause for which they gave the last full measure of devotion—that we here highly resolve that these dead shall not have died in vain—that this nation, under God, shall have a new birth of freedom—and that government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted November 22, 2013 Share Posted November 22, 2013 Four score and seven years ago our fathers brought forth on this continent a new nation, conceived in liberty, and dedicated to the proposition that all men are created equal. Now we are engaged in a great civil war, testing whether that nation, or any nation so conceived and so dedicated, can long endure. We are met on a great battlefield of that war. We have come to dedicate a portion of that field, as a final resting place for those who here gave their lives that that nation might live. It is altogether fitting and proper that we should do this. But, in a larger sense, we can not dedicate, we can not consecrate, we can not hallow this ground. The brave men, living and dead, who struggled here, have consecrated it, far above our poor power to add or detract. The world will little note, nor long remember what we say here, but it can never forget what they did here. It is for us the living, rather, to be dedicated here to the unfinished work which they who fought here have thus far so nobly advanced. It is rather for us to be here dedicated to the great task remaining before us—that from these honored dead we take increased devotion to that cause for which they gave the last full measure of devotion—that we here highly resolve that these dead shall not have died in vain—that this nation, under God, shall have a new birth of freedom—and that government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakeYouToTasker Posted November 22, 2013 Share Posted November 22, 2013 Lincoln: Top three worst Presidents of all time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted November 22, 2013 Share Posted November 22, 2013 Lincoln: Top three worst Presidents of all time. Oh boy! Yes, he promised that if you like your slaves, you can keep your slaves! Horrible! Lincoln was the best President the country ever had...he ended slavery! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakeYouToTasker Posted November 22, 2013 Share Posted November 22, 2013 Oh boy! Yes, he promised that if you like your slaves, you can keep your slaves! Horrible! Lincoln was the best President the country ever had...he ended slavery! Um... no he didn't. He started a war that saw the greatest amount of American deaths ever realized in combat; and put in place decades of resentments that have led directly to most of the problems we see in government today. The Civil War was as an elective war fought for the purpose of Henry Clay's economic visions. Slavery was phasing itself out; and the issue would have been settled peacefully as it was in every other country in the modern world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMadCap Posted November 22, 2013 Share Posted November 22, 2013 Oh boy! Yes, he promised that if you like your slaves, you can keep your slaves! Horrible! Lincoln was the best President the country ever had...he ended slavery! Perhaps he is though as such now, but back then, he was and IS the most divisive president in US history. States actually seceeded from the Union over his election... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted November 22, 2013 Share Posted November 22, 2013 Oh boy! Yes, he promised that if you like your slaves, you can keep your slaves! Horrible! Lincoln was the best President the country ever had...he ended slavery! Seeing you had posted in this thread I opened it to see what jokes you might have made of all of the soldiers killed at Gettysburg. I congratulate you on your self control. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakeYouToTasker Posted November 22, 2013 Share Posted November 22, 2013 Perhaps he is though as such now, but back then, he was and IS the most divisive president in US history. States actually seceeded from the Union over his election... Winners of war rewrite and revise history as they see fit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
....lybob Posted November 22, 2013 Share Posted November 22, 2013 5 versions of Lincoln's speech http://www.abrahamlincolnonline.org/lincoln/speeches/gettysburg.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted November 22, 2013 Share Posted November 22, 2013 Um... no he didn't. He started a war that saw the greatest amount of American deaths ever realized in combat; and put in place decades of resentments that have led directly to most of the problems we see in government today. The Civil War was as an elective war fought for the purpose of Henry Clay's economic visions. Slavery was phasing itself out; and the issue would have been settled peacefully as it was in every other country in the modern world. You are so wrong on so many levels its no where even near funny. First off Lincoln didn't start any war, at worst he should have backed down to South so they didn't attack an American Fort. Slavery was not being phased out, the South was expanding it, and wanted Cuba as another slave state and Henry Clay's plan was nothing but Hamilton's same plan and later the Republican plan that turned us into the economic super power we became. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMadCap Posted November 22, 2013 Share Posted November 22, 2013 Winners of war rewrite and revise history as they see fit. Perhaps. I do not see what that has to do with Lincoln though. Unless you are one of those that believes Lerone Bennett... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted November 22, 2013 Share Posted November 22, 2013 Four score and seven years ago our fathers brought forth on this continent a new nation, conceived in liberty, and dedicated to the proposition that all men are created equal. Now we are engaged in a great civil war, testing whether that nation, or any nation so conceived and so dedicated, can long endure. We are met on a great battlefield of that war. We have come to dedicate a portion of that field, as a final resting place for those who here gave their lives that that nation might live. It is altogether fitting and proper that we should do this. But, in a larger sense, we can not dedicate, we can not consecrate, we can not hallow this ground. The brave men, living and dead, who struggled here, have consecrated it, far above our poor power to add or detract. The world will little note, nor long remember what we say here, but it can never forget what they did here. It is for us the living, rather, to be dedicated here to the unfinished work which they who fought here have thus far so nobly advanced. It is rather for us to be here dedicated to the great task remaining before us—that from these honored dead we take increased devotion to that cause for which they gave the last full measure of devotion—that we here highly resolve that these dead shall not have died in vain—that this nation, under God, shall have a new birth of freedom—and that government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth. Obama fixed it for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted November 22, 2013 Share Posted November 22, 2013 Perhaps he is though as such now, but back then, he was and IS the most divisive president in US history. States actually seceeded from the Union over his election... Yes, think about that! An ELECTION caused them to try and break up the government. He didn't even do anything yet! His hatred of slavery was enough to make south leave. Listen, if a guy hating slavery made him hated, he's alright in my book Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMadCap Posted November 22, 2013 Share Posted November 22, 2013 Yes, think about that! An ELECTION caused them to try and break up the government. He didn't even do anything yet! His hatred of slavery was enough to make south leave. Listen, if a guy hating slavery made him hated, he's alright in my book No. Not just any election. His particular election was the tipping point... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted November 22, 2013 Share Posted November 22, 2013 Winners of war rewrite and revise history as they see fit. So do the losers. Jefferson Davis wrote his history book. It was amusing how he claimed that agitators in the North made a big, unnecessary fuss about American soldiers being fired upon in Ft Sumter. Unreal No. Not just any election. His particular election was the tipping point... Yes, an election. Just an election. Lincoln wasn't going to allow any more slave states Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
....lybob Posted November 22, 2013 Share Posted November 22, 2013 Yes, think about that! An ELECTION caused them to try and break up the government. He didn't even do anything yet! His hatred of slavery was enough to make south leave. Listen, if a guy hating slavery made him hated, he's alright in my book Who knows the last thing I read was that Lincoln was meh about slavery but the South thought he was a gun ho abolitionist leading to their overreaction Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted November 22, 2013 Share Posted November 22, 2013 Who knows the last thing I read was that Lincoln was meh about slavery but the South thought he was a gun ho abolitionist leading to their overreaction Don't confuse Lincoln with this: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drinkTHEkoolaid Posted November 22, 2013 Share Posted November 22, 2013 Obama fixed it for you. It's cute that Herr Obama wants to pick and choose what parts of history to commemerate, its telling what parts of history he changes to fit his revisionist mentality and ideology. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakeYouToTasker Posted November 22, 2013 Share Posted November 22, 2013 (edited) First off Lincoln didn't start any war, at worst he should have backed down to South so they didn't attack an American Fort. In the States Rights era of American history, the seceeding of South Carolina rendered those forts the soveriegn property of South Carolina. The soldiers holding the fort were given the option over a lenghty period of time to peaceably surrender the fort, and remove themselves back to the still soveriegn American lands. Instead Lincoln ordered that they "hold the fort until fired upon", an act that would logically be required by a State who had just asserted it's own soveriegnty, after which Lincoln declared war on South Carolina. This single action of Lincoln's forced the hands of all other Southern states which had been against secession until this time, being unwilling, given their own right to declare soveriengty, to go to war against another state for simply acting on this right. Slavery was not being phased out, the South was expanding it, and wanted Cuba as another slave state While slave territory was increasing, technological advances and the costs of slave farming relative to the cheap labor resulting from immigrant influxes were rapidly making it economically unadvantageous to utilize slave labor; and thus the actual use of slaves was decreasing, as it did naturally everywhere else in the world. and Henry Clay's plan was nothing but Hamilton's same plan and later the Republican plan that turned us into the economic super power we became. The Clay Plan was the Whig Plan, which destroyed the party. It also had the undesirable side-effect (intended effect) of bankrupting every state government who readilly participated in it. It was only the private ventures of the time who wound up with any degree of success. It was the ultimate venture into Mercantile economic policy. Edited November 22, 2013 by TakeYouToTasker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nanker Posted November 22, 2013 Share Posted November 22, 2013 http://norvig.com/Gettysburg/sld001.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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