13player Posted November 21, 2013 Posted November 21, 2013 (edited) Looking back over the years at the superbowl winners there is really not much that impressed me. The parity in the league is overwhelming that any team could win, any year. I think the Bills are closer than everyone thinks but they got to make the right moves in the off season. A couple of quick moves and I think the Bills are in the Superbowl discussions. 1) Sign Byrd and make him the highest paid safety. 2) Trade Stevie Johnson (hopefully for a second or third) 3) Draft the best biggest reciever available with the first pick ( get a real #1 reciever) 4) Draft a LG with your second pick 5) sign another big tightend in free agency (the best available) 6) use the second you get for Stevie and take the best pash rusher available 7) Draft a new running back in the third ( freds getting old we need another brusher) 8) remaining draft picks load up on Linemen and corners never have enough of either of those spots. 9) EJ is getting better and will grow more into the position I think those moves make us a serious superbowl contender next year or two. IMHO. Edited November 21, 2013 by 13player
26CornerBlitz Posted November 21, 2013 Posted November 21, 2013 Looking back over the years at the superbowl winners there is really not much that impressed me. The parity in the league is overwhelming that any team could win, any year. I think the Bills are closer than everyone thinks but they got to make the right moves in the off season. A couple of quick moves and I think the Bills are in the Superbowl discussions. 1) Sign Byrd and make him the highest paid safety. 2) Trade Stevie Johnson (hopefully for a second or third) 3) Draft the best biggest reciever available with the first pick ( get a real #1 reciever) 4) Draft a LG with your second pick 5) sign another big tightend in free agency (the best available) 6) use the second you get for Stevie and take the best pash rusher available 7) Draft a new running back in the third ( freds getting old we need another brusher) 8) remaing draft picks load up on Linemen and corners never have enough of either of those spots. 9) EJ is getting better and will grow more into the position I think those moves make us a serious superbowl contender next year or two. IMHO. That would definitely be a world's record for GM productivity in one week.
GunnerBill Posted November 21, 2013 Posted November 21, 2013 When you looked at these past Superbowl winners - did you find many that traded away their best receiver the off season before making a Superbowl run?
13player Posted November 21, 2013 Author Posted November 21, 2013 Well it would be, maybe you need a little longer but I think you get the point
Alphadawg7 Posted November 21, 2013 Posted November 21, 2013 (edited) When you looked at these past Superbowl winners - did you find many that traded away their best receiver the off season before making a Superbowl run? Except I would argue that next year Stevie wouldn't be our best WR anymore. If I had to choose one of the 2 scenarios of: Stevie, Woods, Goodwin Or Woods, Goodwin, and an extra 2nd or 3rd round pick and the extra cap relief Then I choose option 2 all day long. Stevie has chronic leg muscle tissue injuries, shows up small in big moments, disappears all the time in meaningful games, and made a career of getting to a measly 1000 yards barely through compiling lots of garbage time stats in blow outs with Fitzy to make his season look more impressive on the stat sheet. And I say this as a guy who has always liked Stevie and even defended him. But facts are facts, and at this point of his career he hasn't figured out how to matter when it counts the most nor stay on the field. And given his lack of off season dedication to make sure he fixes those areas, he has stopped earning the benefit of the doubt from me and I see more value in starting Woods and Goodwin and dumping his salary and getting a draft pick we can use. Edited November 21, 2013 by Alphadawg7
GunnerBill Posted November 21, 2013 Posted November 21, 2013 Well so far this season he has the most catches for the most yards and the joint most touchdowns. The idea that we can trade him away and draft the "big receiver" everyone keeps talking about and get better in said receiver's rookie year is strange to me.
nucci Posted November 21, 2013 Posted November 21, 2013 Looking back over the years at the superbowl winners there is really not much that impressed me. The parity in the league is overwhelming that any team could win, any year. I think the Bills are closer than everyone thinks but they got to make the right moves in the off season. A couple of quick moves and I think the Bills are in the Superbowl discussions. 1) Sign Byrd and make him the highest paid safety. 2) Trade Stevie Johnson (hopefully for a second or third) 3) Draft the best biggest reciever available with the first pick ( get a real #1 reciever) 4) Draft a LG with your second pick 5) sign another big tightend in free agency (the best available) 6) use the second you get for Stevie and take the best pash rusher available 7) Draft a new running back in the third ( freds getting old we need another brusher) 8) remaining draft picks load up on Linemen and corners never have enough of either of those spots. 9) EJ is getting better and will grow more into the position I think those moves make us a serious superbowl contender next year or two. IMHO. I'm guessing the week I'm a GM is during draft week. I'm a big fan of Byrd and would like him signed long-term. You can do that and draft a G in the same week.
ICanSleepWhenI'mDead Posted November 21, 2013 Posted November 21, 2013 I would check on Ralph's health so that I would have a better idea if I would be able to keep the job until the end of the week.
Alphadawg7 Posted November 21, 2013 Posted November 21, 2013 Looking back over the years at the superbowl winners there is really not much that impressed me. The parity in the league is overwhelming that any team could win, any year. I think the Bills are closer than everyone thinks but they got to make the right moves in the off season. A couple of quick moves and I think the Bills are in the Superbowl discussions. 1) Sign Byrd and make him the highest paid safety. 2) Trade Stevie Johnson (hopefully for a second or third) 3) Draft the best biggest reciever available with the first pick ( get a real #1 reciever) 4) Draft a LG with your second pick 5) sign another big tightend in free agency (the best available) 6) use the second you get for Stevie and take the best pash rusher available 7) Draft a new running back in the third ( freds getting old we need another brusher) 8) remaining draft picks load up on Linemen and corners never have enough of either of those spots. 9) EJ is getting better and will grow more into the position I think those moves make us a serious superbowl contender next year or two. IMHO. I am with you on a lot of this. However, I would say its hard to determine how to use this picks this early. I think first round could easily be a top OL, LB, TE, or WR. I also don't think we need a pass rusher in the first 4 rounds. I think OL, TE, WR, and LB are bigger needs as our pass rush has been much improved. I definitely do not agree with taking a RB in the 3rd...we can find value way later, on FA market, etc. I agree on the Stevie move and even started a thread about it last week. I have never been a trade our better players guy, but Stevie has hit his ceiling and its not that high. He's been around too long to still not be working on strength and conditioning in the offseason and his dropsies.
Big Turk Posted November 21, 2013 Posted November 21, 2013 (edited) Lol, we lead the NFL in sacks, have more sacks already than all of last year, and are on pace to set a franchise record for sacks, and we need a pass rusher? Huh? As much as I like Stevie, if that money is the difference between signing Byrd and letting him walk, I'm giving it to Byrd all day...he can be a game changer, especially in this D where the QB has to get the ball out quick Edited November 21, 2013 by matter2003
13player Posted November 21, 2013 Author Posted November 21, 2013 (edited) Not sure why your laughing, your right we are leading at pass rush and you want to stay that way if you want to win, you better get some depth at that position because after you get past the starting 4 and hughes we got nothing. What kills anyteam is no depth at key positions or have you forgot the start of the seand with no great corners, mind you they did ok but we did not win enough games without Byrd, leodis, gilmore you could have argued we dont need and corners in August, you would have wrong. same thing with pass rushing. Edited November 21, 2013 by 13player
thewildrabbit Posted November 21, 2013 Posted November 21, 2013 (edited) That would definitely be a world's record for GM productivity in one week. ... Build thru the draft. Draft a LBer, TE, LG, RT in whatever order. Stop letting the top talent on the team leave, sign Byrd. Keep Stevie, and let him get healthy. They have the QB and defense, so this team is not that far away... if only they figure out how to run the ball to control the LoS & clock properly. Edited November 21, 2013 by FeartheLosing
K D Posted November 21, 2013 Posted November 21, 2013 If I was GM for the week I would probably take an expensive vacation and enjoy my large paycheck. It's the bye week
Bangarang Posted November 21, 2013 Posted November 21, 2013 Lol, we lead the NFL in sacks, have more sacks already than all of last year, and are on pace to set a franchise record for sacks, and we need a pass rusher? Huh? As much as I like Stevie, if that money is the difference between signing Byrd and letting him walk, I'm giving it to Byrd all day...he can be a game changer, especially in this D where the QB has to get the ball out quick Just to be clear, cutting Stevie results in a lot of money in dead cap space. I also believe the best we would get for him is a 3rd round pick. Why are people so eager to take a position that looks to be one of our strongest with good depth and making a need? People talk about having a #1 WR like these big physical specimens grow on trees. Why can't we have good route runners that get open like Stevie and Woods. Have burners in Goodwin and Graham. And just draft an athletic TE to create another problem over the middle? That sounds like a better recipe for success. But what do I know?
peteski Posted November 21, 2013 Posted November 21, 2013 I would give myself a 5 year contract extension. There is no way you trade Stevie. He has a contract that is cap friendly. Also there is no way we get more than a 3rd for him.
atlbillsfan1975 Posted November 21, 2013 Posted November 21, 2013 I agree with you OP. but instead of Stevie i would put CJ out there. I think we all know now what CJ is. He is a dynamic back with great speed but he is not a 18-22 carry guy. He is a R. Bush type of back. You could easily get a second for him in this draft and probably a third in 2015. I believe CJ contract is up after 2014 anyway, and i doubt the Bills resign him. Draft a RB in the second or third and use Freddie for another year. Keep Stevie, Goodwin, Woods, and Graham. Get a TE in the first or second. OG in first or second. LB's in FA. CB and OL&DL in later rounds.
GA BILLS FAN Posted November 21, 2013 Posted November 21, 2013 (edited) Here's what I'd do: (1) Maximize my CAP space in 2014 and 2015 by; moving Fitz's $10M in dead money from 2014 back into 2013; restructure Kyle and Mario Williams, Fred Jackson and move more money into 2013 and out of 2014 and 2015 --- extend Aaron Williams --- in other words, spend every cent of the cap space I have in 2013 and free up as much space as I can for 2014, 2015 -- I want and need financial flexibility in those years to add pieces ---- (2) In FA and draft I'd target upgrades to RG, TE, LB and CB --- I don't know Hairston prognosis, if it is bleak, I'd add OT to that list --- I would look for another RB in mid-round of draft ---- I would leave WR alone for this off-season, I just spent a 2nd and 3rd on two very talented guys -- I'd rather look for a diamond in the rough than spend high pick or precious FA $$ on another WR ---- (3) as for Byrd, I'd be willing to go Top 5 deal (average of top 5 safety contracts) -- I would not got to highest paid -- if that keeps him in Buffalo, great -- if not, I assess what I have with Searcy, Meeks, A Williams and D Williams and decide if I need to go after another safety in draft --- ----------------- ----- what's amazing is with coaching and one very good offseason the holes on this team have largely gone away --- think about it --- A Williams and McKelvin are now solid in secondary (COACHING) ---- one trade (Hughes) gives us legitimate depth at pass rush --- a couple decent FA's (Branch, Bryant) one very good UFA (Robey) and we are okay on D-Line and secondary is very close ------ one very good draft --- gives us 2 legitimate WR's --- Woods and Goodwin --- yes, we don't have a true #1 --- but he might have 3 legitimate #2's --- I'll take it ---- same draft gives us potential Pro Bowl and playmaking MLB (Kiko) ---- EJ remains a big question mark --- if he plays like the Pittsburgh game --- OUCH !! -- I'm drafting a QB in round 1 --- if he plays like he did against Jets --- I'm steering clear of drafting a QB and thinking of adding a veteran QB to help with mentoring ---- ---- Bills had a very good offseason in 2013 --- if they can replicate that again in 2014 with solid draft, one or two key FA's and find another diamond in the rough UFA --- we should be able to fill or upgrade the remaining holes --- again, A LOT -- I mean A LOT depends on QB and Manuel being "the guy" --- if he is not, we will be back to square one --- QB is that important --- Edited November 21, 2013 by TXBILLSFAN
Not at the table Karlos Posted November 21, 2013 Posted November 21, 2013 Just to be clear, cutting Stevie results in a lot of money in dead cap space. I also believe the best we would get for him is a 3rd round pick. Why are people so eager to take a position that looks to be one of our strongest with good depth and making a need? People talk about having a #1 WR like these big physical specimens grow on trees. Why can't we have good route runners that get open like Stevie and Woods. Have burners in Goodwin and Graham. And just draft an athletic TE to create another problem over the middle? That sounds like a better recipe for success. But what do I know? this!
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