Saint Doug Posted January 11, 2014 Posted January 11, 2014 Either way, move on. Bills are getting better. This new staff does get the benefit of the doubt. They are a completely new regime. The Bills are getting better? Couldn't be based on their record. Teams which improve usually get better as the season progresses. First half of season: 3-5. Second half? 3-5. And the Bills played a string of bottom dwellers (Jags, TB, Atl) the 2nd half. Strength of schedule was much higher the 1st half.
NoSaint Posted January 11, 2014 Posted January 11, 2014 The Bills are getting better? Couldn't be based on their record. Teams which improve usually get better as the season progresses. First half of season: 3-5. Second half? 3-5. And the Bills played a string of bottom dwellers (Jags, TB, Atl) the 2nd half. Strength of schedule was much higher the 1st half. I thought you'd take issue with the "completely new regime" given it's still Russ and even Whaley was part of the old regime (and of course guys like littman, overdorf etc, but I don't think they are in this decision). It's tough to completely divorce this go around from the last even though we do have a good amount of new faces.
section122 Posted January 12, 2014 Posted January 12, 2014 Well since we got a weeks overreaction of how amazing this guy is going to be because of his huge game changing (1) catch last week, can we get this week to be overreaction about how terrible he is and how justified the Bills were in cutting him?
Bangarang Posted January 12, 2014 Posted January 12, 2014 Stellar performance by Da'Rick Truly showed what this team was missing.
Kirby Jackson Posted January 12, 2014 Posted January 12, 2014 Well since we got a weeks overreaction of how amazing this guy is going to be because of his huge game changing (1) catch last week, can we get this week to be overreaction about how terrible he is and how justified the Bills were in cutting him? You are about 56 pages too late on your thoughts. As has been said a million times in this thread it is not so much about Da'Rick the player and more about that type of player (ie Mike Jasper, Jason Peters, etc..). It is about roster construction and guys with upside and question marks. As stated earlier this has been one of the better threads on this board. It is some of the better posters on this board relaying their thoughts on how a winner is built.
Maury Ballstein Posted January 12, 2014 Posted January 12, 2014 I might have said this 40 pages ago Da'who cares. Udfa legend
section122 Posted January 12, 2014 Posted January 12, 2014 You are about 56 pages too late on your thoughts. As has been said a million times in this thread it is not so much about Da'Rick the player and more about that type of player (ie Mike Jasper, Jason Peters, etc..). It is about roster construction and guys with upside and question marks. As stated earlier this has been one of the better threads on this board. It is some of the better posters on this board relaying their thoughts on how a winner is built. Yes it has been some of the better posters beating the same dead horse all week long. It's impossible to separate the player from the conversation though. There are some knuckleheads that end up getting it and turning it around. There are others that don't. Question marks vary player to player as does the results. You can't say that this has nothing to do with the player.
Prickly Pete Posted January 12, 2014 Posted January 12, 2014 At least he had two pretty good drops. haha. The one kinda reminded me of the TJ "jump" drop. This guy is developing into a legend. Maybe he will be the Bill's "Taro".
Rob's House Posted January 12, 2014 Posted January 12, 2014 Yes it has been some of the better posters beating the same dead horse all week long. It's impossible to separate the player from the conversation though. There are some knuckleheads that end up getting it and turning it around. There are others that don't. Question marks vary player to player as does the results. You can't say that this has nothing to do with the player. I would agree that it does have something to do with the actual player, but the conversation is bigger than that. It's more a discussion of what is the best approach for the Bills to take. Some think the team should prioritize talent and try to work with players with attitudinal issues. Others think the team should prioritize attitude and get rid of people who aren't with the program. It also raises questions of whether you take the guy that helps you win now or the guy that might help you win tomorrow. Da'Rick Rogers is just a real world example people use to illustrate their take on the situation as it pertains to those philosophies..
artmalibu Posted January 12, 2014 Posted January 12, 2014 At least he had two pretty good drops. I thought it was 3, we wouldn't want to cheat him on the stat sheet.
Prickly Pete Posted January 12, 2014 Posted January 12, 2014 (edited) I would agree that it does have something to do with the actual player, but the conversation is bigger than that. It's more a discussion of what is the best approach for the Bills to take. Some think the team should prioritize talent and try to work with players with attitudinal issues. Others think the team should prioritize attitude and get rid of people who aren't with the program. It also raises questions of whether you take the guy that helps you win now or the guy that might help you win tomorrow. Da'Rick Rogers is just a real world example people use to illustrate their take on the situation as it pertains to those philosophies.. Every team balances somewhere between those extremes (usually), and the Bills have other players that fit the "developmental" mold, Da'Rick just isn't one of them. It wasn't that big of a decision, or somehow indicative of complete incompetence in the Bills organization. No one even knows all the reasons why he was released, so there are conclusions being drawn based on rampant speculation. Silliness... Edited January 12, 2014 by Marauder'sMicro
Kirby Jackson Posted January 12, 2014 Posted January 12, 2014 I would agree that it does have something to do with the actual player, but the conversation is bigger than that. It's more a discussion of what is the best approach for the Bills to take. Some think the team should prioritize talent and try to work with players with attitudinal issues. Others think the team should prioritize attitude and get rid of people who aren't with the program. It also raises questions of whether you take the guy that helps you win now or the guy that might help you win tomorrow. Da'Rick Rogers is just a real world example people use to illustrate their take on the situation as it pertains to those philosophies.. Well said. This is not a surface conversation. It seems to be little deeper that certain posters can contemplate. All of us want what is best or the Bills and we just disagree on how to go about assembling the team. The people that are making this about Da'Rick's performances (both good and bad) are just not keeping up with the topic. It wasn't about the player when he had 100+ yards and 2 TDs and it is not about the player when he goes without a catch. What is best for the Bills both short and long term?
Prickly Pete Posted January 12, 2014 Posted January 12, 2014 Well said. This is not a surface conversation. It seems to be little deeper that certain posters can contemplate. All of us want what is best or the Bills and we just disagree on how to go about assembling the team. The people that are making this about Da'Rick's performances (both good and bad) are just not keeping up with the topic. It wasn't about the player when he had 100+ yards and 2 TDs and it is not about the player when he goes without a catch. What is best for the Bills both short and long term? Perhaps the topic should have a new title then?
Kirby Jackson Posted January 12, 2014 Posted January 12, 2014 Perhaps the topic should have a new title then? I am with you. It started when he was activated and that is how it has remained here. The topic probably should be "when to roll the dice and when to fold your hand."
Prickly Pete Posted January 12, 2014 Posted January 12, 2014 (edited) I am with you. It started when he was activated and that is how it has remained here. The topic probably should be "when to roll the dice and when to fold your hand." Sounds good. One Hogan in the hand, is worth two Da'Rick's in the bush. Edited January 12, 2014 by Marauder'sMicro
Kirby Jackson Posted January 12, 2014 Posted January 12, 2014 Sounds good. One Hogan in the hand, is worth two Da'Rick's in the bush. Ha ha, this topic will probably never end. When he has no catches certain people will jump in. When he has 100 yards the other side will jump in. The reality is that the team has some holes (nowhere near as many as they did a year or 2 ago) and as long they get better I don't care. Go Bills!!
Prickly Pete Posted January 12, 2014 Posted January 12, 2014 Ha ha, this topic will probably never end. When he has no catches certain people will jump in. When he has 100 yards the other side will jump in. The reality is that the team has some holes (nowhere near as many as they did a year or 2 ago) and as long they get better I don't care. Go Bills!! I feel the same way. The off season is always full of frustration. But hey look! They re-signed Brian Moorman!
section122 Posted January 12, 2014 Posted January 12, 2014 (edited) I would agree that it does have something to do with the actual player, but the conversation is bigger than that. It's more a discussion of what is the best approach for the Bills to take. Some think the team should prioritize talent and try to work with players with attitudinal issues. Others think the team should prioritize attitude and get rid of people who aren't with the program. It also raises questions of whether you take the guy that helps you win now or the guy that might help you win tomorrow. Da'Rick Rogers is just a real world example people use to illustrate their take on the situation as it pertains to those philosophies.. Again I will beat my own dead horse. It has everything to do with the individual player. The Bills have proven they are not beholden to any one strategy when it comes to dealing with players with behavioral problems. They drafted both Duke Williams and Kiko Alonso who had issues in college and then made the team. Duke Williams did not contribute to the team this year but was kept around all year long. As for the win now vs. win tomorrow that is a delicate balance for every team the Bills included. Some players are kept because they can help you win now and some are kept on potential. Each individual player is weighed on this scale. Is it worth the time and investment on said player? Again this has to deal with Da'Rick himself in this thread as several posters are up in arms that Chris Hogan was kept over Da'Rick. Well said. This is not a surface conversation. It seems to be little deeper that certain posters can contemplate. All of us want what is best or the Bills and we just disagree on how to go about assembling the team. The people that are making this about Da'Rick's performances (both good and bad) are just not keeping up with the topic. It wasn't about the player when he had 100+ yards and 2 TDs and it is not about the player when he goes without a catch. What is best for the Bills both short and long term? I grasp it just fine but you are lying to yourself if you think this thread doesn't have to do with Da'Rick himself. I have kept up with this topic and am fairly neutral on it. We won't know whether this was a good cut or not for quite some time. Add in the fact that none of us truly know the circumstances that led to his being cut and we may never know. If he doesn't have that "game changing catch" last week does this thread get ressurected? You yourself have railed against Hogan vs. Rogers repeatedly in this thread. Why? You think long term that HE will contribute more to the team. In post 573 of this thread you stated that you were done with this topic. Then in 576 you bumped this topic over his one catch. That was page 29!!! My original post today was completely tongue in cheek about the overreaction to his one catch and how it was proof that the Bills had screwed the pooch. What followed was 27 pages in one week!!! That is not a "simple conversation on philosophy." I will leave you with this (no that doesn;t mean I'm done with this topic)... You can not separate this conversation from the player. As I have said repeatedly each player brings his own talents, baggage, work ethic, and potential. There is no cookie cutter philosophy to who gets kept and who doesn't. Each player has his own circumstances. Edited January 12, 2014 by section122
Thurmal34 Posted January 12, 2014 Posted January 12, 2014 Hey Kirb - your point about talent is more than valid. What is your take on Rodgers not grasping the biggest opportunity of his life?
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