dubs Posted January 9, 2014 Posted January 9, 2014 Nope If you're Aunt had a **** she'd be you're uncle. In other words, it doesn't matter.
KOKBILLS Posted January 9, 2014 Posted January 9, 2014 Why are you people even talking about this thread who cares if we have this f****** guy. The guy is a loser... Good talk!!!
dubs Posted January 9, 2014 Posted January 9, 2014 I don't understand how people don't understand the risk/reward concept and apply it here. Keeping Da"rick Rogers on a team that needs exactly what he has the potential to be, on a team that wasn't winning anything this year, in the hopes that he develops and becomes a great receiver is the very DEFINITION of low risk potential/high reward potential. If the kid made the team and really did something to screw up or showed that there is no way he was going to 'get it' here in Buffalo, then guess what. CUT HIM and sign Chris Hogan or any of the other dozens of Chris Hogan type receivers that you can open your window and spit on in the NFL.
Kirby Jackson Posted January 9, 2014 Posted January 9, 2014 I don't understand how people don't understand the risk/reward concept and apply it here. Keeping Da"rick Rogers on a team that needs exactly what he has the potential to be, on a team that wasn't winning anything this year, in the hopes that he develops and becomes a great receiver is the very DEFINITION of low risk potential/high reward potential. If the kid made the team and really did something to screw up or showed that there is no way he was going to 'get it' here in Buffalo, then guess what. CUT HIM and sign Chris Hogan or any of the other dozens of Chris Hogan type receivers that you can open your window and spit on in the NFL. Ha ha, I have spent 52 pages trying to say exactly what you just so eloquently stated. Well done, sir. I don't even look at it as risk reward as there was no risk!! It was a free look.
NoSaint Posted January 9, 2014 Posted January 9, 2014 Ha ha, I have spent 52 pages trying to say exactly what you just so eloquently stated. Well done, sir. I don't even look at it as risk reward as there was no risk!! It was a free look. yup, full circle to the first arguments of page 1 im sure - without even looking.
Dibs Posted January 9, 2014 Posted January 9, 2014 I don't understand how people don't understand the risk/reward concept and apply it here. Keeping Da"rick Rogers on a team that needs exactly what he has the potential to be, on a team that wasn't winning anything this year, in the hopes that he develops and becomes a great receiver is the very DEFINITION of low risk potential/high reward potential. ..... At what point would you have cut him though? If he took a dump on the GMs desk......would you show him the door regardless of the risk/reward? How about if he told the coaches to F@#k off.....keep him? What about if he turned up stoned to team meetings.....or didn't bother turning up? Nobody knows the reasons for why he was let go......so bashing the Bills over this is a rather futile exercise IMO.
dubs Posted January 9, 2014 Posted January 9, 2014 (edited) yup, full circle to the first arguments of page 1 im sure - without even looking. It gets pretty frustrating. I actually like Marrone, Whaley and most of the coaching staff. I think they made a pretty easy mistake to make. I get what they were trying to do, send a message. It's like they saw Invincible and thought Chris Hogan was Vince Papale (sp?) or something. I can't really crucify them for this mistake. But make no mistake, it was a mistake. Even if Rogers never catches another ball in the NFL, because you have a guy with that talent and you give it some time to see how it plays out. Ha ha, I have spent 52 pages trying to say exactly what you just so eloquently stated. Well done, sir. I don't even look at it as risk reward as there was no risk!! It was a free look. ha. thanks, we see eye to eye on this! Edited January 9, 2014 by dubs
Kirby Jackson Posted January 9, 2014 Posted January 9, 2014 At what point would you have cut him though? If he took a dump on the GMs desk......would you show him the door regardless of the risk/reward? How about if he told the coaches to F@#k off.....keep him? What about if he turned up stoned to team meetings.....or didn't bother turning up? Nobody knows the reasons for why he was let go......so bashing the Bills over this is a rather futile exercise IMO. Depends on the player: Colin Brown gets cut for dumping in the men's room, Rogers on the coaches' desk and Calvin Johnson on the coaches' wife.
dubs Posted January 9, 2014 Posted January 9, 2014 Depends on the player: Colin Brown gets cut for dumping in the men's room, Rogers on the coaches' desk and Calvin Johnson on the coaches' wife. At what point would you have cut him though? If he took a dump on the GMs desk......would you show him the door regardless of the risk/reward? How about if he told the coaches to F@#k off.....keep him? What about if he turned up stoned to team meetings.....or didn't bother turning up? Nobody knows the reasons for why he was let go......so bashing the Bills over this is a rather futile exercise IMO. Rogers was cut along with a few other players during a round of cuts in training camp. If he did any of those things, he would be cut on the spot. The staff wouldn't wait to cut him.
thebandit27 Posted January 9, 2014 Posted January 9, 2014 I hope that this will be my final post in this thread, and that it will explain the stance that I believe (not know or have been told, but believe) is what the coaching staff was thinking when they cut Rogers. They were very public when they signed him that he was on a one-strike-and-your-gone opportunity; that he needed to show his absolute best if he wanted to make the team. By all accounts, he made some nice plays in training camp; there were also plenty accounts that he looked unprepared, and one report of Marrone getting on his case for taunting a teammate after a routine catch. My belief is that the coaching staff felt that Rogers wasn't close to making the most of his opportunity, and so they stuck by their word and cut him. I don't think there's anything wrong with that.
NoSaint Posted January 9, 2014 Posted January 9, 2014 At what point would you have cut him though? If he took a dump on the GMs desk......would you show him the door regardless of the risk/reward? How about if he told the coaches to F@#k off.....keep him? What about if he turned up stoned to team meetings.....or didn't bother turning up? Nobody knows the reasons for why he was let go......so bashing the Bills over this is a rather futile exercise IMO. those all seem like they would be viable reasons - but we have no indication that anything in that realm ever happened. we have that he was outworked by chris hogan (which what that amounts to, we dont really know), stood over ron brooks after catching a ball, didnt run out what he thought to be an incomplete pass and turned out to be a fumble, and missed his spot in some camp drills as the rough list of documented offenses. ive said atleast a dozen times that for all we know he couldve been getting high at practice but it doesnt seem to be the case, even in K9s inside insights. it seems they wanted 1) more instant contributions 2) work ethic over physical talent when making the decision. kirby, myself, and several others would say that a guy like hogan hardly warranted having the debate, yet alone making the decision they did unless theres something much bigger that went on behind the scenes. I hope that this will be my final post in this thread, and that it will explain the stance that I believe (not know or have been told, but believe) is what the coaching staff was thinking when they cut Rogers. They were very public when they signed him that he was on a one-strike-and-your-gone opportunity; that he needed to show his absolute best if he wanted to make the team. By all accounts, he made some nice plays in training camp; there were also plenty accounts that he looked unprepared, and one report of Marrone getting on his case for taunting a teammate after a routine catch. My belief is that the coaching staff felt that Rogers wasn't close to making the most of his opportunity, and so they stuck by their word and cut him. I don't think there's anything wrong with that. i dont think you are far off in your assessment, as much as we disagree with what type of strike(s) would warrant that decision.
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted January 9, 2014 Posted January 9, 2014 Why must this be some huge philosophical debate. The team had to make cuts and take the best WRs for their team. Da'Rick didn't make da'cut. He was beat out by other UDFAs. We don't know why. If we are saying the choice was down to hogan and Rogers, Maybe Hogan showed some flashes of potential too. Maybe he just wanted it more. Either way Hogan earned the job in the opinion of the bills organization. Either way Da'Rick did not earn the job. Why is really irrelevant. Btw Both guys are similar size and similar speed. One has 10 catches and one has 14. Only time will tell who hasa better career. Hogan and Da'Rick made mistakes in college. One played in an inferior league after drug problems, the other failed to play college ball at all really with the exception of a fifth year at Maro-wherever after spending 4 years playing only lacrosse. Let's just see where we end up in the end.
HurlyBurly51 Posted January 9, 2014 Posted January 9, 2014 Didn't the Colts just pick up Deion Branch on Monday? I'm sure it was just for info in Belicheat and nothing to do with Rogers.
KOKBILLS Posted January 9, 2014 Posted January 9, 2014 At what point would you have cut him though? If he took a dump on the GMs desk......would you show him the door regardless of the risk/reward? How about if he told the coaches to F@#k off.....keep him? What about if he turned up stoned to team meetings.....or didn't bother turning up? Nobody knows the reasons for why he was let go......so bashing the Bills over this is a rather futile exercise IMO. I don't know Dibs... It surprises me a bit that, with everything this organization has been through over these years, there are some folks who are quick to assume Rogers was some sort of ticking time-bomb while completely ignoring the possibility that our HC simply made a poor decision... I would say, based on what I've seen here over the years, that the possibility was going to be great that Marrone made the wrong call on Rogers...It was my gut feeling the minute I heard rumors that Rogers was on the bubble...And that's why I'm not surprised at all that another NFL HC has managed to get Rogers on the field, and get some sort of contribution out of him... I realize it's a pessimistic view on Marrone...But it's not the kind of thing that I want to run him out of town over either...I would LOVE to hear Marrone come out and say that...in retrospect...he may look at a similar situation differently now based on how this turned out...For me, it's just easy to get to the place where it was the Coaches fault and not the players in this situation...But admittedly that may just be me...
artmalibu Posted January 9, 2014 Posted January 9, 2014 It cool that we all have different opinions!!! At some point I give the coaches the benefit of the doubt. I hardly think that 14 receptions in enough to create an "I told you so". The coaches had him in camp and didnt think he was the guy for the team, that doesn't mean he will never make a good receiver. Most 4th and 5th receivers make the team for special teams work, and we didnt see him at all on special teams at all. I dont think any of us here saw he enough to make the call if it was a good cut or not. Time will tell if he was the fish the got away. That does not seem to be a problem for the bills, because they have not always brought in good talent. If he was cut by the Bills and then signed by another team, earned a starting position, made some big contributions right away it would be different.
artmalibu Posted January 9, 2014 Posted January 9, 2014 That's exactly what seems to be happening with him in Indy. http://3.bp.blogspot...320/rogers1.gif You think TJ Graham is making that catch? LOL. What a 1 catch highlight reel? What else do you got? lol And yea TJ beat him out. Not to mention Rogers 14 receptions Graham 23. You guys must think the coaches want to loose.
NoSaint Posted January 9, 2014 Posted January 9, 2014 What a 1 catch highlight reel? What else do you got? lol And yea TJ beat him out. Not to mention Rogers 14 receptions Graham 23. You guys must think the coaches want to loose. well, i dont think they WANT to lose, but i think plenty of coaches make the wrong choices on a regular basis. even the good ones. this one just stands out as it seems like it shouldve been rather simple to get right and no one has presented a reason why we did get it right beyond "but what if rogers making the team made everyone else stop working or smoke pot and stuff." otherwise, its simply "maybe he was worse than we knew" or "he wouldnt have hogans 6 special teams tackles" and to your earlier point that none of us saw enough of him - several of us saw a lot of him at tennessee - thats why we are frustrated. it seems a recurring theme is the ones that saw the least are saying no one knows what kind of talent he has.
Rob's House Posted January 9, 2014 Posted January 9, 2014 Maybe no secret but not one of the 32 NFL teams was willing to take a flyer on him in the draft, why not? Are they all that stupid? Do you think he turned down a lot of other teams to sign with the Bills as a UDFA? And what exactly did you see in camp that the staff missed. I didnt see you post any cheers about Roby in August who made a much larger impact as a UDFA than Rogers. Or any other of the colts receivers. As a matter of fact he did. There was an article or two about that immediately after the draft. It's like Burfict - No one wanted to have to explain why they burned a draft pick on the guy with character concerns, but once they could bring him in w/o consequence a lot of teams were interested.
Nitro Posted January 9, 2014 Posted January 9, 2014 I think the kid has talent. I see him play here in Indy but he has the boom/bust cloud over his head. I think Marrone and plenty of other coaches and personnel types shy away from talented street free agents when issues arise. The knock was he could not grasp the offense. I think that he could have helped the Bills.
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