FireChan Posted January 7, 2014 Posted January 7, 2014 Colts' fans takes are interesting. http://forums.colts.com/topic/25176-crazy-catch-by-rogers/
Kirby Jackson Posted January 7, 2014 Posted January 7, 2014 It's a balance, between experience and teaching new guys. Really, it's not that big of a deal, and it doesn't reveal some kind of deficiency in the coaches. They know more about the situation than we do. Whining about this all season is really ridiculous. I do agree on the balance for sure. I just don't see any reason to use any resources on scrubs. I'd rather have boom or bust guys like Rogers, Mike Jasper, etc... At worst they are as good as the last couple of players. At best they are effective NFL players.
Kirby Jackson Posted January 7, 2014 Posted January 7, 2014 Colts' fans takes are interesting. http://forums.colts.com/topic/25176-crazy-catch-by-rogers/ Someone said it earlier but there is no reason that anyone can say that he was worse for the Bills than the last couple of WR. People have just dug in their heels and decided that they didnt like him. As the season has gone on those that have defended him have predictably gotten more and more ammo. The case just keeps getting stronger. Those that defended the scrubs have provided some of the weakest arguments in any of the threads out there and that's part of the reason that this has spun out of control. All the detractors say is, "Oh, he's a legend. He made 1 play!" That is 1 more play at WR than CH or ME has made in their careers. I think that even the biggest detractors must admit that he will have a better career than both Easley & Hogan (probably Graham too) combined. So, why would anyone defend a decision that so obviously made the football team worse?
NastyNateSoldiers Posted January 7, 2014 Posted January 7, 2014 What did DR produce exactly? In preseason Hogan played better. And since none of us were on the inside to know the daily ins and outs about commitment level etc. there really is no reason to question DR’s release. It could be getting cut woke him up enough to be somewhat productive with the Colts. I watched the entire preseason all our games, Where was these plays by Hogan? If anything Kuafman had a way better preseason then both of them and he deserved the roster spot. What I did see was DR score a nice Td on a fade route. Which btw none of our wr's have done all season. Im tired of reading bout Hogans preseason. What he had a couple of 5yd catches with no separation.. The kid made the team cause of his knowledge of the offense that's bout it
drnykterstein Posted January 7, 2014 Posted January 7, 2014 Colts' fans takes are interesting. http://forums.colts....atch-by-rogers/ Yeah. Colts are still alive and something tells me they don't give a crap about Jerry Hughes at all.
FireChan Posted January 7, 2014 Posted January 7, 2014 Yeah. Colts are still alive and something tells me they don't give a crap about Jerry Hughes at all. They all attribute that incredible catch as the momentum shifter and I agree. Da'Rick did a lot for them besides the stat sheet.
dubs Posted January 7, 2014 Posted January 7, 2014 Colts' fans takes are interesting. http://forums.colts....atch-by-rogers/ This is so perfect. Makes me sick.
Dorkington Posted January 7, 2014 Posted January 7, 2014 And our guys can't even catch wide open passes. Good call, Marrone and co.!
26CornerBlitz Posted January 7, 2014 Author Posted January 7, 2014 And our guys can't even catch wide open passes. Good call, Marrone and co.! This kind of catch from a big, physical, fast WR is a missing element from the Bills' passing game. Rogers is exactly the kind of WR that the Bills will be looking at in the upcoming draft. A little patience can go a long way both literally and figuratively.
dubs Posted January 7, 2014 Posted January 7, 2014 And our guys can't even catch wide open passes. Good call, Marrone and co.! ugh…i probably need to stop coming to this topic. Every time I come back I get more disappointed with the decision. I was out during the game and just remember thinking, "what a catch!". I didn't even realize it was THIS good. Kid can ball, plain and simple.
Storm Front Posted January 7, 2014 Posted January 7, 2014 Sad thing is, if he was on the Bills he probably wouldn't get to play because Hackett and Maron would still be trying to get the ball to Graham instead. The Bills make me sick. Everyone was so excited about Rogers and then we let him go without any real explanation. What the hell.
thebandit27 Posted January 7, 2014 Posted January 7, 2014 This kind of catch from a big, physical, fast WR is a missing element from the Bills' passing game. Rogers is exactly the kind of WR that the Bills will be looking at in the upcoming draft. A little patience can go a long way both literally and figuratively. I'm hoping they'll look for a guy that is far better than Rodgers
YoloinOhio Posted January 7, 2014 Posted January 7, 2014 I'm hoping they'll look for a guy that is far better than Rodgers This draft is loaded with WRs. Maybe they will be worse off, so to speak, for having to "waste" a pick on one instead of having one who was undrafted. Or maybe it won't be a waste and he'll turn out to be better overall.
starrymessenger Posted January 7, 2014 Posted January 7, 2014 This draft is loaded with WRs. Maybe they will be worse off, so to speak, for having to "waste" a pick on one instead of having one who was undrafted. Or maybe it won't be a waste and he'll turn out to be better overall. Nope. Even if they land Sammy Watkins DR should probably be on the roster anyway because there are 2 or 3 guys who have no business being there. No question DR is a very raw prospect and there is no guarantee he will amount to anything. But it is also clear that he is loaded with talent and that he is trying to make a go of it. When he cut him Marrone acknowledged DRs talent but said he was looking for immediate production and not down the road. We'll he didn't get that production from CJ, Easley, Hogan and Kauffman (who was let go after DR). I guess we are just not in the business of developing raw talent (tho I thought that's what coaches are supposed to do). Oh wait! EJ is as raw as they come. While DR prolly had late first or early second round talent, EJ would almost certainly go third or later if he was in this years draft. But EJ aced the interview process. He's a good boy and we like him. Ok, but that does not win many football games. One may wonder why so lengthy a thread is dedicated to a raw prospect and a head case. The reason is that it has little to do with DR, who is gone for good. It had to do with Marrone who is still here.
C.Biscuit97 Posted January 7, 2014 Posted January 7, 2014 Yeah. Colts are still alive and something tells me they don't give a crap about Jerry Hughes at all. Yeah, who needs a double digit sack guy when u just gave up 45 points to Alex Smith. Their defense is terrible. Perhaps, we should trade Hughes for the great Rogers. This thread is embarrassing. At least we have a #1 elite WR. Ah Bills fans. Let's trash the 7th rounder pick who worked his way up to 3 straight 1,000 yards seasons and praise the lazy, undrafted FA who can't stop smoking weed.
dubs Posted January 7, 2014 Posted January 7, 2014 Yeah, who needs a double digit sack guy when u just gave up 45 points to Alex Smith. Their defense is terrible. Perhaps, we should trade Hughes for the great Rogers. This thread is embarrassing. Ah Bills fans. Let's trash the 7th rounder pick who worked his way up to 3 straight 1,000 yards seasons and praise the lazy, undrafted FA who can't stop smoking weed. Ok, enough with the false choices and hyperbole. I don't think anyone is suggesting we had a choice between Hughes or Rogers. At one point we had and still could have both. Stevie is a good, solid, receiver. I don't think that's really being debated. Sometimes these things go off the rails, but again, did and still should have both Stevie and Da'Rick on the roster. Where are you getting this information that DR is addicted to weed and lazy? Honestly? Other than things he did years ago, there hasn't been any mention of him being a pothead or lazy.
Kirby Jackson Posted January 7, 2014 Posted January 7, 2014 (edited) At this point there is no reasonable argument that the Bills are better off with the guys that they kept over Rogers. I haven't even seen anyone try to argue it. They just downplay what he has done. There is no consideration of the future and how muh the gap will widen between him and the scrubs on the Bills roster. So far his stats, potential, size, speed and college pedigree are all superior to the scrubs. I am not sure what anyone likes better about the scrubs? I guess that Easley because is an elite gunner so he gets a bit of a pass from me. I have no earthly idea why they bothered with CH. This whole debate was a 1st RD TKO followed by 45 pages of Rogers supporters dancing in the end zone. I come here for good healthy Bills discussion. I find it maddening when someone blindly defends mistakes that are obvious. There is no argument whether CH over Rogers was the right decision and there is no argument that Danny Crossman deserves that position. We are well aware that we cannot impact these choices but that is not a reason that they should not be discussed. We can barely influence any of the topics that we discuss on here (attendance and a few others we can). I have been a Marrone supporter and think that he has the mentality and approach to be a good head coach. With that being said he has made a few decisions that just make no sense. I hope that he continues to grow as does the rest of the team. Edited January 7, 2014 by Kirby Jackson
YoloinOhio Posted January 7, 2014 Posted January 7, 2014 Nope. Even if they land Sammy Watkins DR should probably be on the roster anyway because there are 2 or 3 guys who have no business being there. No question DR is a very raw prospect and there is no guarantee he will amount to anything. But it is also clear that he is loaded with talent and that he is trying to make a go of it. When he cut him Marrone acknowledged DRs talent but said he was looking for immediate production and not down the road. We'll he didn't get that production from CJ, Easley, Hogan and Kauffman (who was let go after DR). I guess we are just not in the business of developing raw talent (tho I thought that's what coaches are supposed to do). Oh wait! EJ is as raw as they come. While DR prolly had late first or early second round talent, EJ would almost certainly go third or later if he was in this years draft. But EJ aced the interview process. He's a good boy and we like him. Ok, but that does not win many football games. One may wonder why so lengthy a thread is dedicated to a raw prospect and a head case. The reason is that it has little to do with DR, who is gone for good. It had to do with Marrone who is still here. Fair point there!
GG Posted January 7, 2014 Posted January 7, 2014 Actually there were several valid reasons why the ENTIRE BILLS ORGANIZATION decided to cut ties with Rogers when it did, based on how he performed this summer and what they thought was needed to turn him around in light of how they needed to build their imprint on the team vs the ongoing crusade over Colts 5th WR, who keeps moving up the line due to injuries. Where were these threads when Bills cut Derek Hagan who had a much more impressive college & pro career? You can make fun of Hogan or Easley, but they did contribute to the tewam this year, something that Rogers would not have. I don't even know why you go back to arguing it. Rogers would not have been activated had Colts WRs stayed healthy. Bills did not lose WRs for the season, so at best, Rogers would have remained on the PS. So why did your argument twist again on your crusade? If the argument is for next season, then Bills can get equivalent performance in later rounds. I don't see much difference between Rogers & Denarius Moore, who was taken in the 5th round. You also can't discount Kaufman, who clearly outplayed Rogers in the summer. It's easy to beat up on Hogan, but fact is that he contributed to the team, while Rogers would not have.
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