stuckinny Posted January 6, 2014 Posted January 6, 2014 At least we fleeced the colts on the Jerry Hughs for Kelvin SHephard deal...Da'Rick just evens it out alittle!
thebandit27 Posted January 6, 2014 Posted January 6, 2014 At least we fleeced the colts on the Jerry Hughs for Kelvin SHephard deal...Da'Rick just evens it out alittle! I don't think Da'Rick and his 15 receptions make up for Jerry Hughes and his double-digit sacks.
LB3 Posted January 6, 2014 Posted January 6, 2014 i think where you diverge reading this is thinking that rogers was a standard issue number 6 guy like hogan, or roosevelt, or aiken or ruvell martin, or about 100 others that bounce around the league and never have a shot to be a CJ, or stevie, or.... while he was low on the depth chart he was probably our most physically talented guy in the entire stable of WRs and TEs not just this year but over the last several as well - and hes shown football production at a high level with that talent. he has the ability to be our #1 some day, if he can get his act together and THAT does earn a lot of guys around the league longer leashes than you would see your average #6 getting. would he have ever reached it - who knows, but kirby and i, and i think even you, agree hogan wont. Wait... You must not have seen my post earlier in this thread where I predicted Chris Hogan being NFL MVP in 2014. I agree. I don't think that Hogan will ever be a number one or probably even a number two receiver in this league. I think Rogers could be a legit number one, but I'm not holding my breath. Wasted talent is a routine occurrence. To me, the fact that he didn't get drafted due to negative feedback, paired with the fact that Chris Hogan beat him out on work ethic alone (I just can't think the staff or anyone could say CH is a more talented WR), that it speaks volumes. Maybe he gets his act together and makes us truly regret the move, but I'm not going to lose sleep over it til it happens over the course of more than just one game or one awesome catch.
DrDawkinstein Posted January 6, 2014 Posted January 6, 2014 Just a warning, if this thread reaches 50 pages Da'Rick gets an automatic spot on the Pro Bowl team, and then the Bills look REALLY stupid.
NoSaint Posted January 6, 2014 Posted January 6, 2014 (edited) Wait... You must not have seen my post earlier in this thread where I predicted Chris Hogan being NFL MVP in 2014. I agree. I don't think that Hogan will ever be a number one or probably even a number two receiver in this league. I think Rogers could be a legit number one, but I'm not holding my breath. Wasted talent is a routine occurrence. To me, the fact that he didn't get drafted due to negative feedback, paired with the fact that Chris Hogan beat him out on work ethic alone (I just can't think the staff or anyone could say CH is a more talented WR), that it speaks volumes. Maybe he gets his act together and makes us truly regret the move, but I'm not going to lose sleep over it til it happens over the course of more than just one game or one awesome catch. ill say i can cheers to that and agree to disagree with little frustration - unlike some of the arguments ive seen levied in favor of the cut that drive me a bit crazy. ill agree that rogers could have been all kinds of terrible behind the scenes or there very well could be more to the story.... but i suspect it was a matter of preference and a philosophy of not wanting to take the time/effort to develop that type of guy more than anything and that worries me immensely going forward. similarly im very worried about the decision on crossman, and a few others that independently wouldnt be the end of the world but collectively have my optimism that we have the right decision makers in place waning a bit right now. Edited January 6, 2014 by NoSaint
LB3 Posted January 6, 2014 Posted January 6, 2014 .... but i suspect it was a matter of preference and a philosophy of not wanting to take the time/effort to develop that type of guy more than anything and that worries me immensely going forward. If that was indeed the case, my stance on this matter would drastically change. I have to hope it wasn't. The Crossman retention does concern me WRT what is says about his positron on accountability.
Kemp2Warlick Posted January 6, 2014 Posted January 6, 2014 NFL Network @nflnetwork4m Top 3 Catches: Wild Card Weekend #2. @DaRickRogers: Da'Truth WATCH: http://on.nfl.com/1a1OpTZ ...just adding fuel to the fire..
Rob's House Posted January 6, 2014 Posted January 6, 2014 1389013841[/color]' post='3026972']Who cares what he did in college. All I know is that he did zero to earn a spot on his first pro team. If he learned enough to stick with Colts, more power to him. There are dozens of decent college players coming out every year who don't amount to squat in the NFL. I think what he was getting at is that to the average fan he was just some guy that was supposed to be good and fell in the draft. To people who followed college football and actively evaluated the WR class, Rogers was considered a 1st-2nd rd talent. Even with the off-field issues most had him mocked in the 3rd or 4th. If You'd put a mock in your sig listing him in the 4th or 5th people would have told you he wouldn't have been available. I for one was stoked to see we signed him after the draft. In the 6th and 7th I was watching hoping we'd call his name. I get what you're saying and I'm not arguing the point, just offering some context that might explain why it grates on so many nerves to watch this guy succeed after we cast him aside.
26CornerBlitz Posted January 6, 2014 Author Posted January 6, 2014 NFL Network @nflnetwork4m Top 3 Catches: Wild Card Weekend #2. @DaRickRogers: Da'Truth WATCH: http://on.nfl.com/1a1OpTZ ...just adding fuel to the fire.. 7-11 could do that better.
bobobonators Posted January 7, 2014 Posted January 7, 2014 Wow I never wouldve predicted 44 pages. Imagine da'rick makes a game winning catch in playoffs? :w00t:
prissythecat Posted January 7, 2014 Posted January 7, 2014 Wow I never wouldve predicted 44 pages. Imagine da'rick makes a game winning catch in playoffs? :w00t: Yes. This thread would likely blow up to 100 pages .
NoSaint Posted January 7, 2014 Posted January 7, 2014 (edited) I think what he was getting at is that to the average fan he was just some guy that was supposed to be good and fell in the draft. To people who followed college football and actively evaluated the WR class, Rogers was considered a 1st-2nd rd talent. Even with the off-field issues most had him mocked in the 3rd or 4th. If You'd put a mock in your sig listing him in the 4th or 5th people would have told you he wouldn't have been available. I for one was stoked to see we signed him after the draft. In the 6th and 7th I was watching hoping we'd call his name. I get what you're saying and I'm not arguing the point, just offering some context that might explain why it grates on so many nerves to watch this guy succeed after we cast him aside. Exactly the point I was making. Or atleast trying to. To act like seeing him play a full season doesn't matter cause he had a less than stellar 10 or 15 days of training camp that you heard second hand reports on is definitely a bit of a hot button for me. That's not just da'rick but a lot of young players discussed on this board. (The tuel over ej crowd being another example that drove me nuts - ignore their physical skills and college résumé, and look at 6 drives in a preseason game!) Just because someone hasn't watched them for 1, or even sometimes 4 years in college they act like that's totally irrelevant when discussing a players ability or potential. It's not the end all or the draft would be a lot easier and there'd be no busts but combining past performance, in the SEC nonetheless, with great athleticism.... It isn't exactly going out on that shaky of a limb to say I want to collect guys with that college track record. Some will bust but you'll get a lot of great ones too. In this case you didnt even have to weigh him against another use of a premium pick, or noteworthy cap dollars or a guy we couldn't replace easily on the 53..... He was a totally free lottery ticket for 2014 and beyond and instead we kept one that didnt win lastnights drawing. Edited January 7, 2014 by NoSaint
3rdand12 Posted January 7, 2014 Posted January 7, 2014 ill say i can cheers to that and agree to disagree with little frustration - unlike some of the arguments ive seen levied in favor of the cut that drive me a bit crazy. ill agree that rogers could have been all kinds of terrible behind the scenes or there very well could be more to the story.... but i suspect it was a matter of preference and a philosophy of not wanting to take the time/effort to develop that type of guy more than anything and that worries me immensely going forward. similarly im very worried about the decision on crossman, and a few others that independently wouldnt be the end of the world but collectively have my optimism that we have the right decision makers in place waning a bit right now. I wish you would try not to transfer emotions from one situation to the next.Crosman and Rogers have nothing in common except what we fans attempt to string up. Me included . I make my own connections deciphering the patterns that Marrone generates. Let us stand fast and see what becomes , and less so conjecture negative presumption. : )
Hapless Bills Fan Posted January 7, 2014 Posted January 7, 2014 (edited) I think what he was getting at is that to the average fan he was just some guy that was supposed to be good and fell in the draft. To people who followed college football and actively evaluated the WR class, Rogers was considered a 1st-2nd rd talent. Even with the off-field issues most had him mocked in the 3rd or 4th. If You'd put a mock in your sig listing him in the 4th or 5th people would have told you he wouldn't have been available. I for one was stoked to see we signed him after the draft. In the 6th and 7th I was watching hoping we'd call his name. I get what you're saying and I'm not arguing the point, just offering some context that might explain why it grates on so many nerves to watch this guy succeed after we cast him aside. I agree on the context. A big part of the issue is the receivers we kept failed to delight and amaze us. If Easley, Goodwin, and even Graham and Wood were lighting it up a bit more, it would be like "Da'Rick who?". (Course, we have to remember which one had Luck throwing to him) Shep had a decent playoff game for the Colts, but watching Kiko all season doesn't have many people pining for Shep based on his playoff appearance. The thing is, we don't know what getting kicked to the curb by the Bills may have done for Da'Rick. He may have had someone give him the wake-up call speech: "look, buddy, your attitude and work ethics just sent you from 1-2nd rnd draft pick, to underdrafted, to cut by a losing team with no-name wideouts ahead of you. Some other team gives you a chance, straighten out and fly right or enjoy the view from momma's basement." Edited January 7, 2014 by Hopeful
Prickly Pete Posted January 7, 2014 Posted January 7, 2014 (edited) If the #2 wideout (that's how he was introduced on the telecast) for the Bills, had 1 catch in a playoff game, where the QB threw for 443 yds. Everyone here would be super pissed, and say the guy had disappeared. Honestly, Hogan would have matched that performance had he played for the Colts in Da'Rick's stead. Edited January 7, 2014 by Marauder'sMicro
KOKBILLS Posted January 7, 2014 Posted January 7, 2014 but i suspect it was a matter of preference and a philosophy of not wanting to take the time/effort to develop that type of guy more than anything and that worries me immensely going forward. This pretty much sums up how I feel on the entire situation...
Prickly Pete Posted January 7, 2014 Posted January 7, 2014 (edited) This pretty much sums up how I feel on the entire situation... I understand that perspective, but it can be flipped. They have a roster full of guys that need to be developed, and there is a limited amount of "time/effort". Training camp was where rookies competed for a share of the coaches "time/effort", and apparently, Da'Rick didn't make the cut. Edited January 7, 2014 by Marauder'sMicro
Kirby Jackson Posted January 7, 2014 Posted January 7, 2014 I understand that perspective, but it can be flipped. They have a roster full of guys that need to be developed, and there is a limited amount of "time/effort". Training camp was where rookies competed for a share of the coaches "time/effort", and apparently, Da'Rick didn't make the cut. But the used the time and effort on Colin Brown, Sam Young and Chis Hogan? Why? Were those guys ever going to be able to impact your team?
Prickly Pete Posted January 7, 2014 Posted January 7, 2014 But the used the time and effort on Colin Brown, Sam Young and Chis Hogan? Why? Were those guys ever going to be able to impact your team? It's a balance, between experience and teaching new guys. Really, it's not that big of a deal, and it doesn't reveal some kind of deficiency in the coaches. They know more about the situation than we do. Whining about this all season is really ridiculous.
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