YoloinOhio Posted December 16, 2013 Share Posted December 16, 2013 Haven't seen it mentioned but Luck was also picked on a seam pass to Rogers who appeared to half ass the route allowing the DB to get in good position. He also didn't fight for the ball... I did see that. It didn't surprise me after watching him in training camp. Happens to a lot of rookie WRs (and non-rookies) so wasn't going to get overly pointed about it (just like not overly pointed about last week's game) but Luck seemed to not go to him often, maybe he doesn't trust him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted December 16, 2013 Share Posted December 16, 2013 I did see that. It didn't surprise me after watching him in training camp. Happens to a lot of rookie WRs (and non-rookies) so wasn't going to get overly pointed about it (just like not overly pointed about last week's game) but Luck seemed to not go to him often, maybe he doesn't trust him. For some reason, Da'Rick (and some fans here) think he is Randy Moss. Moss was a once a generation talent. Rogers is an undrafted rookie. If he practiced like Chris Hogan, he'd be here still. Why folks wanna blame the coaches for that is beyond me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted December 16, 2013 Share Posted December 16, 2013 For some reason, Da'Rick (and some fans here) think he is Randy Moss. Moss was a once a generation talent. Rogers is an undrafted rookie. If he practiced like Chris Hogan, he'd be here still. Why folks wanna blame the coaches for that is beyond me. Who thinks that he is Randy Moss? So far, I have seen a bunch of people say that they have no idea if he will be good. All that anyone said is that he has a lot of talent and that he would be a better pro than Hogan. So far all of that is true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurmal34 Posted December 16, 2013 Share Posted December 16, 2013 It's not hard to understand. He didn't work hard enough in camp to make the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted December 16, 2013 Share Posted December 16, 2013 It's not hard to understand. He didn't work hard enough in camp to make the team. That is the crux of the argument. Since when does hard work mean more than talent? This team is once again 5-9 and it is because of these types of decisions. It is a microcosm for the last 10 years. I have no idea if Rogers can play but I know that Hogan can't. If there was a viable alternative then fine, but there was not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurmal34 Posted December 16, 2013 Share Posted December 16, 2013 (edited) That is the crux of the argument. Since when does hard work mean more than talent? Every. Single. Time. Talent means nothing if you are not working hard. Rogers simply didn't work hard enough to make the club. Thus, he was cut. I have no idea if Rogers can play but I know that Hogan can't. Yes, you do. Rogers proved he can't play by not putting in the effort requred to make the team. You already know this. Edited December 16, 2013 by Thurmal34 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted December 16, 2013 Share Posted December 16, 2013 Every. Single. Time. Talent means nothing if you are not working hard. Rogers simply didn't work hard enough to make the club. Thus, he was cut. Yes, you do. Rogers proved he can't play by not putting in the effort requred to make the team. You already know this. I will go back to the question from earlier. We know "why" he was cut. Are the Bills in a better place with Hogan, Graham, Easley than they would have been had they kept Rogers? The guy that they kept has 8 catches and 73 yards on the season. There was no reason to not roll with the talented guy and if he didn't develop let him go. There was no risk involved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurmal34 Posted December 16, 2013 Share Posted December 16, 2013 There was no reason to not roll with the talented guy and if he didn't develop let him go. Of course there was. Your second sentence proves it out. You don't roll with the talented guy because as was already stated, he didn't do enough to make the team in the first place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted December 16, 2013 Share Posted December 16, 2013 Since when does hard work mean more than talent? Did I just read that? People need to accept the fact that Rogers being let go has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO WITH CHRIS HOGAN! He wasn't caught up in any kind of numbers game. Indeed, if you were to ask Marrone, Hilliard, or anyone else who had the most physical talent in the entire group, they'd all say Rogers, hands down. He simply didn't exhibit enough of everything else to convince them he was worthy of a roster spot. And when you have 60 other guys fighting for jobs that HAVE exhibited the other essentials required of a pro football player, the decision is an easy one. Oh, and it would have helped if Rogers were a little more receptive to veteran leadership. The best thing to happen to him was getting kicked to the curb and getting another chance. For his sake, I hope he continues to mature and develop. But this incessant decrying of the staff's decision to let him go is beyond ridiculous. Those folks may want to prepare themselves to know that cutting players with all the physical talent in the world is gonna happen again. And again. GO BILLS!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted December 16, 2013 Share Posted December 16, 2013 Every. Single. Time. Talent means nothing if you are not working hard. Rogers simply didn't work hard enough to make the club. Thus, he was cut. Yes, you do. Rogers proved he can't play by not putting in the effort requred to make the team. You already know this. that, or the possibility that our coaching mightve mishandled the player? ive said time and time again, its possible anything and everything happened behind the scenes and he was smoking at training camp for all we know.... but it seems hard for many to say "you know what, maybe the front office blew this one" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted December 16, 2013 Author Share Posted December 16, 2013 that, or the possibility that our coaching mightve mishandled the player? ive said time and time again, its possible anything and everything happened behind the scenes and he was smoking at training camp for all we know.... but it seems hard for many to say "you know what, maybe the front office blew this one" I think we can discount the "smoking" issue. If that was the case, he'd still be unemployed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurmal34 Posted December 16, 2013 Share Posted December 16, 2013 (edited) that, or the possibility that our coaching mightve mishandled the player? TC isn't the time to be "handling" players. It's incumbent upon the player to do everything in his power during that time to catch the coaching staff's eye and essentially force them to keep him on the roster. Clearly, Rogers did not do that. Thus, he was released. Edited December 16, 2013 by Thurmal34 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted December 16, 2013 Share Posted December 16, 2013 Oh, and it would have helped if Rogers were a little more receptive to veteran leadership. The best thing to happen to him was getting kicked to the curb and getting another chance. For his sake, I hope he continues to mature and develop. But this incessant decrying of the staff's decision to let him go is beyond ridiculous. which vet leadership was he not receptive to? Is there a story there, or just a general statement? (i know sometimes you have inside info, sometimes its simply opinion, and im not always sure which is which) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted December 16, 2013 Share Posted December 16, 2013 that, or the possibility that our coaching mightve mishandled the player? ive said time and time again, its possible anything and everything happened behind the scenes and he was smoking at training camp for all we know.... but it seems hard for many to say "you know what, maybe the front office blew this one" Blew it based on what, exactly? Based on the body of work he displayed to be evaluated? The front office has blown and will continue to blow decisions on players. As will EVERY other team in the league. Nature of the beast. But based on what he did in camp, the Rogers decision was an easy one at the time. GO BILLS!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted December 16, 2013 Share Posted December 16, 2013 I think we can discount the "smoking" issue. If that was the case, he'd still be unemployed. you get my general point though, that just about anything couldve happened that we didnt hear about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted December 16, 2013 Share Posted December 16, 2013 So still no one thinks that the team is in a better place? Again, Rogers has played in two games and has like 130 yards and 2 TDS. That is more than the 6th WR that we kept will have in his career. Yes, they are absolutely linked because the spot had to go to someone. Rogers may be able to play and he may not. He has shown flashes which is more than I can say for a few guys currently on the roster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yungmack Posted December 16, 2013 Share Posted December 16, 2013 It seems to me that the real difference between the Bills receivers & Rogers is the guys throwing them the ball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted December 16, 2013 Author Share Posted December 16, 2013 you get my general point though, that just about anything couldve happened that we didnt hear about. Stipulated with the smoking exception because of my stated reasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted December 16, 2013 Share Posted December 16, 2013 (edited) It seems to me that the real difference between the Bills receivers & Rogers is the guys throwing them the ball. his 60 yard td was a slant that he took to the house. he got more yards after the catch on that play than hogan has in his pro career... possibly in his life, given his small college sample. if you include college, hogan has 3 TD receptions. the longest catch hes had since high school was 41 yards in a one catch performance against the duquesne dukes in 2010. the only game he broke 30 yards in college. a feat he still hasnt matched since. Edited December 16, 2013 by NoSaint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted December 16, 2013 Share Posted December 16, 2013 So still no one thinks that the team is in a better place? Again, Rogers has played in two games and has like 130 yards and 2 TDS. That is more than the 6th WR that we kept will have in his career. Yes, they are absolutely linked because the spot had to go to someone. Rogers may be able to play and he may not. He has shown flashes which is more than I can say for a few guys currently on the roster. Again, if you're looking at it from 2013, Bills are in a better place with Hogan because he was a bigger contributor during the year. He may not have the receiving stats, but Rogers would not have contributed on ST like Hogan has. Hogan has 6 ST tackles on the year and is a key player on the squad. Rogers would not have fulfilled that spot. Longer term is still unknown. WR is probably the easiest spot to fill with street free agents, so unless Rogers does turn into the next Randy Moss, this miss would not be a devastation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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