26CornerBlitz Posted December 12, 2013 Author Share Posted December 12, 2013 (edited) One thing that's sticking with me on the "he has luck throwing to him" argument several made.... Wasn't it a 7 yard slant that he broke several tackles and housed- not a case of luck making a freak throw ej couldn't? ICYMI, here are Rogers two TD catches from last Sunday: WK 14 Can't-Miss Play: Da'Rick to Da'house 00:31 – Indianapolis Colts wide receiver Da'Rick Rogers runs for 69 yards and a touchdown on a reception from quarterback Andrew Luck. Indianapolis Colts wide receiver Da'Rick Rogers 2-yard touchdown 00:37 – Indianapolis Colts wide receiver Da'Rick Rogers catches his second touchdown, this one for 2 yards. Here's his Preseason TD catch from Tuel. Looks like a talented player to me. Buffalo Bills QB Jeff Tuel to wide receiver Da'Rick Rogers for TD 00:19 – Buffalo Bills quarterback Jeff Tuel completes the slant route to Da'Rick Rogers for the touchdown. Edited December 13, 2013 by 26CornerBlitz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dibs Posted December 12, 2013 Share Posted December 12, 2013 Point taken...But one is long, long gone...And the other is 32 years old so...I'm kinda wanting more... Nickell Robey says "Hi" too......and Stefan Charles is trying his best to communicate his greetings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted December 12, 2013 Share Posted December 12, 2013 ICYMI, here are Rogers two TD catches from last Sunday: WK 14 Can't-Miss Play: Da'Rick to Da'house 00:31 – Indianapolis Colts wide receiver Da'Rick Rogers runs for 69 yards and a touchdown on a reception from quarterback Andrew Luck. Indianapolis Colts wide receiver Da'Rick Rogers 2-yard touchdown 00:37 – Indianapolis Colts wide receiver Da'Rick Rogers catches his second touchdown, this one for 2 yards. Here's his Preseason TD catch from Tuel. Looks like a talented player to me. Buffalo Bills QB Jeff Tuel to wide receiver DaRick Rogers for TD 00:19 – Buffalo Bills quarterback Jeff Tuel completes the slant route to DaRick Rogers for the touchdown. Didn't you hear? It doesn't count because he surprised those two DB's by breaking their tackles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prickly Pete Posted December 13, 2013 Share Posted December 13, 2013 Didn't you hear? It doesn't count because he surprised those two DB's by breaking their tackles. I noticed that other receiver, Bizell had a similar TD, where he broke 65 tackles on the way to the end-zone. It was one game... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted December 13, 2013 Share Posted December 13, 2013 I noticed that other receiver, Bizell had a similar TD, where he broke 65 tackles on the way to the end-zone. It was one game... LaVonn Brazill... he took Wayne's spot originally but he, TY Hilton and DHB aren't going to win any playoff games. They had to roll with Rogers. We'll see how he progresses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted December 13, 2013 Share Posted December 13, 2013 I noticed that other receiver, Bizell had a similar TD, where he broke 65 tackles on the way to the end-zone. It was one game... I wish one of our 5th string guys could make a play like that in one game. Alas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prickly Pete Posted December 13, 2013 Share Posted December 13, 2013 (edited) I wish one of our 5th string guys could make a play like that in one game. Alas. You're fired! Would you like the Bills to try to trade for Da'Rick? What do the fans want? Fire the entire Bills organization? What is it? What is the point of all this rear view mirror gazing? Especially about a guy that had one decent game (and acted like a jackass) against a defense that gave up a number of big plays to non-descript WR's? What do you want to happen? Edited December 13, 2013 by Marauder'sMicro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted December 13, 2013 Share Posted December 13, 2013 (edited) You're fired! Would you like the Bills to try to trade for Da'Rick? What do the fans want? Fire the entire Bills organization? What is it? What is the point of all this rear view mirror gazing? Especially about a guy that had one decent game (and acted like a jackass) against a defense that gave up a number of big plays to non-descript WR's? What do you want to happen? To B word and moan loud enough that Doug and Doug wake up in the middle of the night. And when they wake, they inherently know to check this topic on their laptops. And read about how passing up promising talent for journeyman 6th string WR's will never win their games. Edited December 13, 2013 by FireChan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewildrabbit Posted December 13, 2013 Share Posted December 13, 2013 That could have been a part of it, but bridging a guy who in the summer, didn't know where to stand in the huddle, where to line up on the field, missed several assignments to the guy who in early winter had a very good game, to me means it was more than just getting the hang of the play book. Isn't it up to the coaching staff to make sure the players know where to stand, to line up, and what assignments they have? To me this reeks of another bad assistant coach on this staff. NFN, in 2010 CJ Spiller was named the starter in the opener because both Lynch and Jackson had some minor injuries to overcome. That starting job lasted about 3 offensive plays, and he was promptly benched when Gailey saw he couldn't block for protections, couldn't run a route and couldn't find the hole. Fred Jackson came in for CJ and on the very next play he caught a pass with a cast on his hand. Spiller didn't play much that first season, and it was noted by many that he wasn't the sharpest tool in the shed. That doesn't discount the incredible talent of that young man, and it shows me his coaching was very lacking if it took that long for him to learn his job in Gaileys offense. Gailey had hired a bunch of his pals from his college days at GT, and some had no NFL coaching experience. Now, look what happened to Gailey, and his coaching staff of tools I look at Rodgers and see his obvious talent that clearly went unnoticed by this team, and even if Rodgers doesn't make another play for the Colts this season he has already surpassed what 7/11, Easley have done. Even if Rodgers is cut by the Colts asap. I also look at some opening day players on the roster that have since been outright cut because they were so inept at their respective jobs. Isn't it the job of the coaching staff to find the best talent at each position, coach them and put them in position on the field to make plays? So many mistakes this first year by this HC, and staff lead me to believe the Bills have some bad hires on that staff. Now it will remain to be seen if any changes are made in the off season, or will it be another year of on the job training for some assistant coaches? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prickly Pete Posted December 13, 2013 Share Posted December 13, 2013 Isn't it up to the coaching staff to make sure the players know where to stand, to line up, and what assignments they have? To me this reeks of another bad assistant coach on this staff. What should they do with a player that is an idiot, teach them how to read? All this over Da'Rick's one game performance with terrible tackling on a TD (where he danced into the end zone, down by 21), and another garbage time 2 yard TD with an opponent 21 points ahead (and probably playing backups)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewildrabbit Posted December 13, 2013 Share Posted December 13, 2013 What should they do with a player that is an idiot, teach them how to read? All this over Da'Rick's one game performance with terrible tackling on a TD (where he danced into the end zone, down by 21), and another garbage time 2 yard TD with an opponent 21 points ahead (and probably playing backups)? Which ones are the stupids? The coaches who can't teach or the players who don't get it right away? Again, since you missed it the first time. I'll reference CJ Spiller who had an amazing games in 2011, and an amazing season in 2012 with a 6.0 YPC average (2nd best in the entire NFL that year)once he became the focal point of the offense due to injuries to Fred Jackson. His talent is undeniable, and yet now this season he is being put in the wrong situations to utilize best his talents, and particular skills. CJ is currently back up to 4.6 YPC from an abysmal 2.8 YPC earlier in the year Recently against the NY Jets Spiller, 13 rushes for 6 yards screams at me that the run plays aren't working very well when the RB is being tackled before he can even get to the line of scrimmage, and yet the coaches kept running the same plays over and over trying to make it work. That game is simply a microcosm of the many problems with this new offensive scheme by the new coaching staff this year. If this was the Bills first mistake in talent evaluation I'd be taking your side in defending this coaching staff. But, its not their first mistake, as its one of many mistakes this year with both starters and backups. So, I'm done defending some of these coaches. This situation with Rodgers stings, and tends to elevate Bills fans animosity towards the team because of the lack of top play by the current receivers corps. SJ ranked 57th. Scott Chandler ranked #72. Robert Woods #96. Fred Jackson #130. TJ Graham #149. Marquise Goodwin #154. CJ Spiller #208. Chris Hogan #252 Frank Summers #274. Lee Smith #299. Chris Gragg #354. Marcus Easley #379. It doesn't matter if Rodgers never makes another play again for the colts. To me its more about the inability of this staff to get more production, and better play out of the players they chose to keep. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dibs Posted December 13, 2013 Share Posted December 13, 2013 ....If this was the Bills first mistake in talent evaluation I'd be taking your side in defending this coaching staff..... You know the guy went undrafted, yes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prickly Pete Posted December 13, 2013 Share Posted December 13, 2013 (edited) Which ones are the stupids? The coaches who can't teach or the players who don't get it right away? Again, since you missed it the first time. I'll reference CJ Spiller who had an amazing games in 2011, and an amazing season in 2012 with a 6.0 YPC average (2nd best in the entire NFL that year)once he became the focal point of the offense due to injuries to Fred Jackson. His talent is undeniable, and yet now this season he is being put in the wrong situations to utilize best his talents, and particular skills. CJ is currently back up to 4.6 YPC from an abysmal 2.8 YPC earlier in the year Recently against the NY Jets Spiller, 13 rushes for 6 yards screams at me that the run plays aren't working very well when the RB is being tackled before he can even get to the line of scrimmage, and yet the coaches kept running the same plays over and over trying to make it work. That game is simply a microcosm of the many problems with this new offensive scheme by the new coaching staff this year. If this was the Bills first mistake in talent evaluation I'd be taking your side in defending this coaching staff. But, its not their first mistake, as its one of many mistakes this year with both starters and backups. So, I'm done defending some of these coaches. This situation with Rodgers stings, and tends to elevate Bills fans animosity towards the team because of the lack of top play by the current receivers corps. SJ ranked 57th. Scott Chandler ranked #72. Robert Woods #96. Fred Jackson #130. TJ Graham #149. Marquise Goodwin #154. CJ Spiller #208. Chris Hogan #252 Frank Summers #274. Lee Smith #299. Chris Gragg #354. Marcus Easley #379. It doesn't matter if Rodgers never makes another play again for the colts. To me its more about the inability of this staff to get more production, and better play out of the players they chose to keep. Were you by any chance, one of the people whining about Aaron Maybin's "success" with the Jets? Edited December 13, 2013 by Marauder'sMicro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted December 13, 2013 Author Share Posted December 13, 2013 The Bills (Marrone) would have probably ignored the talent of a guy like Leon Lett too and cut him because he made too many mistakes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prickly Pete Posted December 13, 2013 Share Posted December 13, 2013 They could have kept ANY guys you could mention from the last 10 years, and they still would have sucked. It's not the main issue, or even near the major reasons why they have sucked for so long. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted December 13, 2013 Share Posted December 13, 2013 What should they do with a player that is an idiot, teach them how to read? All this over Da'Rick's one game performance with terrible tackling on a TD (where he danced into the end zone, down by 21), and another garbage time 2 yard TD with an opponent 21 points ahead (and probably playing backups)? This thread has been going on since before he caught a pass. It is not hindsight; it is a lack of foresight by the coaching staff and talent evaluators. You asked what it is that we want? The answer is the staff to be competent enough to make the most obvious of decisions (which this was). You are going to be wrong about players from time to time especially when there is similar talent. I would have given them a pass if they chose Justin Rogers over Nickell Roby for example. It doesn't mean that it would have been the right move but they could have justified it. The 6th WR spot is different. There was no benefit to keeping a scrub over a guy with early round talent. Do you think that the team is in a better position for keeping Hogan over Rogers? There has not been one person on here that has answered yes to this question yet. There have been a lot of people justifying their reasoning but not one person that thinks that they are in a better place now than if they kept Rogers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Storm Front Posted December 13, 2013 Share Posted December 13, 2013 Hogan sucks bad. Graham sucks bad. Easley sucks bad (as a receiver). Stevie sucks most games. Goodwin sort of sucks, but has potential to be a #3 WR. Woods half sucks right now, but he may have the potential to be a #2 WR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prickly Pete Posted December 13, 2013 Share Posted December 13, 2013 This thread has been going on since before he caught a pass. It is not hindsight; it is a lack of foresight by the coaching staff and talent evaluators. You asked what it is that we want? The answer is the staff to be competent enough to make the most obvious of decisions (which this was). You are going to be wrong about players from time to time especially when there is similar talent. I would have given them a pass if they chose Justin Rogers over Nickell Roby for example. It doesn't mean that it would have been the right move but they could have justified it. The 6th WR spot is different. There was no benefit to keeping a scrub over a guy with early round talent. Do you think that the team is in a better position for keeping Hogan over Rogers? There has not been one person on here that has answered yes to this question yet. There have been a lot of people justifying their reasoning but not one person that thinks that they are in a better place now than if they kept Rogers. I think Rogers will surpass Hogan, but all the reasons why it's not a big deal have already been posted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob's House Posted December 13, 2013 Share Posted December 13, 2013 Hogan sucks bad. Graham sucks bad. Easley sucks bad (as a receiver). Stevie sucks most games. Goodwin sort of sucks, but has potential to be a #3 WR. Woods half sucks right now, but he may have the potential to be a #2 WR. I think these guys are getting a raw deal. If you're saying Stevie sucks b/c he chokes I'll give you that, but he's otherwise quite good. Woods has played very well, especially for a rookie - it just goes unnoticed because the ball isn't coming his way. And TJ Graham is the may not have the ball skills to fully utilize his speed consistently in the deep game, but gets open with great regularity as well. And why would you say Goodwin sort of sucks? That doesn't make sense to me. If this crowd had better QB play they'd be doing just fine. And let's not forget Brooks and Goodwin are rookies and TJ is a 2nd year player. Everyone says give the rookie QB time, but WRs need time to develop too. If and when EJ gets it together we'll suddenly realize our WRs are a lot better than we thought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewildrabbit Posted December 14, 2013 Share Posted December 14, 2013 I think Rogers will surpass Hogan, but all the reasons why it's not a big deal have already been posted. will it be a big deal should Rodgers become a star, top 15 player? You know the guy went undrafted, yes? yep, and the reason was all the character concerns, and he even admitted he was kicked off the Vols for smoking pot. The kid was also being compared to Chad Johnson talent wise, and there was talk he could still go as high as the 2nd round, even with all those character concerns. He chose to come to Buffalo as an un drafted free agent, he wanted to be a Buffalo Bill! But, alas, he was let down by another coaching staff of fools. http://blogs.buffalonews.com/press-coverage/2013/04/darick-rogers-tell-bills-fans-they-got-the-steal-of-the-draft.html Just know, the better Rodgers does with the Colts the more Bills fans are going to dislike the decision to let him go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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