LB3 Posted January 7, 2014 Posted January 7, 2014 But Da'Rick didn't actually do anything wrong while he was on the Bills rosters. Would be stupid to punish a guy for things he did several years ago, in college, on a different team. I don't think being cut is a punishment. I think it is a result of a number of different things. I loved Bryan Scott. I don't think that him being cut was a punishment. I think he just wasn't performing like they wanted him to. I feel Da'Rick was cut, not based on ability, but for reasons we can only speculate on.
drnykterstein Posted January 7, 2014 Posted January 7, 2014 I feel Da'Rick was cut, not based on ability, but for reasons we can only speculate on. My speculation on the reason: The coaches were stupid enough to think TJ Graham would be a good WR that they should keep on the roster. Should have frickin cut TJ Graham,
LB3 Posted January 7, 2014 Posted January 7, 2014 (edited) My speculation on the reason: The coaches were stupid enough to think TJ Graham would be a good WR that they should keep on the roster. Should have frickin cut TJ Graham, In fairness to TJ, he did get open quite a bit. But, he did also love jump catches and getting in fights with the ball so you could be right. Maybe jump catches look better when they're wearing shorts. Edited January 7, 2014 by KikoSeeBallKikoGetBall
GG Posted January 7, 2014 Posted January 7, 2014 Again, you may be right or you may be wrong. I'm saying that your opinion is based totally on speculation. Basically saying that Marrone and co had to have cut him because of X, Y, and Z. There's just no evidence to support that then the cut itself. It's equally speculative to say teams including buffalo have to much of a short term view of things and not enough patience with players that need time to develop. Both points are simply guesses. What we do know based on observations is that: 1) buffalo lacks a big, physical receiver 2) we had a guy that could potentially fill that role 3) we cut him 4) he's developing nicely in Indy as evidence by his increase in playing time and incredible clutch catch he made in a playoff game. I an baying my speculation on the public accounts and the word of a poster who's built up enough credibility on this board. Everyone whining about the cut is looking at it in hindsight, as if Rogers one game break out performance is indicative of a future pro bowl career. I look at it from the spectrum of August and what Rogers did up to that time. Teams do incredible amount of scouting and research on players who are invited to the combine. So for a player who blew away the combine not to even get drafted and then not even get contacted by 18 teams hints that there may be bigger baggage than a few failed pot tests at UT. So that's the framework that Bills had to work from the start. Take that, and add a very half hearted effort in the summer, and it makes the decision to cut him very easy, despite the physical gifts. As for having a rookie influence the rest of the team, of course it does. If the guy didn't earn a rightful spot and doesn't have the confidence of his QBs, what kind of message does that and to the rest of the team of he made the roster? Sorry, but if I was the boss, I would also cut Rogers and move on without regret.
K-9 Posted January 8, 2014 Posted January 8, 2014 im suggesting that they seemingly valued production week 1 of 2013 over the long term potential too heavily (common coaching issue) im questioning whether they weigh too heavily towards the "program" over long term potential that comes with hiccups and hard work along the way(common coaching issue) that our coach might let likability or personality cloud professional opinions (common everyday problem) and based on the performance of our offense, our WRs coach being fired, and more, whether they may have simply blown the decision i do question whether they had expectations in line and the correct plans in place, and i dont think thats as unreasonable as you are trying to frame it. are you suggesting that because they took the action, it should be regarded the right action? I'm suggesting we all try to make the best decisions we can at the time with the information available. No more, no less. I am perfectly satisfied there was ample cause to cut Da'Rick Rogers at the time. More than ample, in fact. No less consideration went into that personnel decision than any others. He was outperformed by a considerable margin by guys far less physically gifted. That's on Rogers, not the coaching staff. I fully understand just how tough a sell it is to the guys that DID earn their spots, based on merit, only to tell them we're keeping this guy instead. Now it sucks for Rogers that he didn't have the benefit of having ANY draft pick invested in him, let alone a high one. But given his body of work while with the squad, I'm not sure that would have helped, either. He just wasn't good enough. Eye-popping physical tools or not. Or put another way, he got the least out of more than anyone else at the position. And that's on Rogers, too. If he goes on to realize his potential, and I don't know anyone that doesn't hope that's the case, he really should write a thank-you note to Marrone and Co. If anything, their candor helped set the kid straight. GO BILLS!!!
Prickly Pete Posted January 8, 2014 Posted January 8, 2014 We really don't know what happened. For all I know he ASKED to be cut.
dubs Posted January 8, 2014 Posted January 8, 2014 The only point I would disagree with is that I think injuries played the biggest role in his increased playing time. True dat
K-9 Posted January 8, 2014 Posted January 8, 2014 My speculation on the reason: The coaches were stupid enough to think TJ Graham would be a good WR that they should keep on the roster. Should have frickin cut TJ Graham, Da'Rick Rogers should have outperformed a previous 3rd round draft choice, then. He should have outperformed two other UDFAs, too. He didn't. Not on the field and not in the classroom. Maybe if he were a little less indifferent to playing special teams and actually busted his ass trying to make an impression there, like others did, like ALL low round draft picks and UDFAs HAVE TO DO, perhaps he'd have stuck. Other than being big and athletically gifted, he didn't bring as much to the table as other players competing for spots on the team. Simple as that. GO BILLS!!! We really don't know what happened. For all I know he ASKED to be cut. Not in so many words. But his overall performance certainly begged the question. GO BILLS!!!
RuntheDamnBall Posted January 8, 2014 Posted January 8, 2014 I can't believe I am reneging on my promise, but I want to put this out there. If the Chiefs didn't lose five guys including Jamaal Charles, I don't think we would be talking about Da'Rick Rogers quite so much. Playoff wins draw attention. That said, if the Indy D plays like that next week, they are toast.
BackInDaDay Posted January 8, 2014 Posted January 8, 2014 Could you rephrase your postion please ? and then reiterate it . I would imagine we are not talking about the nearly famous now DR as much as value systems as applied to the Bills ( via the fanbase ) : ) hmmm.. thank you,sir... in that case i'll head back to the bench
San Jose Bills Fan Posted January 8, 2014 Posted January 8, 2014 (edited) This GIF is the first time I noticed that Sean Smith, KC's 6'3" cornerback gets his hands on the ball first. Speaking of GIFs, I wish I had some way of starting a slow clap. This post is excellent. That's the one Big Cat introduced us all to. There's this one too: Edited January 8, 2014 by San Jose Bills Fan
RuntheDamnBall Posted January 8, 2014 Posted January 8, 2014 This GIF is the first time I noticed that Sean Smith, KC's 6'3" cornerback gets his hands on the ball first. Smith should have batted that ball away, no?
The Big Cat Posted January 8, 2014 Posted January 8, 2014 This GIF is the first time I noticed that Sean Smith, KC's 6'3" cornerback gets his hands on the ball first. Speaking of GIFs, That's the one Big Cat introduced us all to. There's this one too:
NDBUFFCUSEFAN Posted January 8, 2014 Posted January 8, 2014 Failure to succumb to peer pressure is highly frowned upon. I said earlier that I believe that DR needed a final wake up call and that his release from the Bills followed by no teams immediately claiming him was what he needed. He is talented, there is no question about that but the Bills staff had a rookie 1st RD QB amongst all the other things that go into a huge turnover of employees. They may have felt that the effort it would take to turn DR into a pro was too much and would be better spent other places. I was pumped when they signed him and not pleased when he was released but there is a lot we don't know. I hope he has a terrific career (not against the Bills) and that it shows the staff that extra effort may be worth it for certain players.
26CornerBlitz Posted January 8, 2014 Author Posted January 8, 2014 (edited) Da'Rick Rogers should have outperformed a previous 3rd round draft choice, then. He should have outperformed two other UDFAs, too. He didn't. Not on the field and not in the classroom. Maybe if he were a little less indifferent to playing special teams and actually busted his ass trying to make an impression there, like others did, like ALL low round draft picks and UDFAs HAVE TO DO, perhaps he'd have stuck. Other than being big and athletically gifted, he didn't bring as much to the table as other players competing for spots on the team. Simple as that. GO BILLS!!! Not in so many words. But his overall performance certainly begged the question. GO BILLS!!! You're so right because it was all about the Bills' 2013 Super Bowl readiness. No consideration for the long view should have entered into the equation with Rogers because the team was complete, mature, and poised for multiple years of deep playoff runs with the hope of finally grasping the Lombardi and holding a long awaited WNY parade in February. Edited January 8, 2014 by 26CornerBlitz
FireChan Posted January 8, 2014 Posted January 8, 2014 You're so right because it was all about the Bills' 2013 Super Bowl readiness. No consideration for the long view should have entered into the equation with Rogers because the team was complete, mature, and poised for multiple years deep playoff runs with the hope of finally grasping the Lombardi and holding a long awaited WNY parade in February. Spot on. Marrone saying that he basically wasn't taking guys with potential, but guys who can play (poorly) now is just short sighted. Was he nervous about being canned after one season? Why not develop young talent?
YoloinOhio Posted January 8, 2014 Posted January 8, 2014 Smith should have batted that ball away, no? THAT Sean Smith?
billsfan1959 Posted January 8, 2014 Posted January 8, 2014 You're so right because it was all about the Bills' 2013 Super Bowl readiness. No consideration for the long view should have entered into the equation with Rogers because the team was complete, mature, and poised for multiple years of deep playoff runs with the hope of finally grasping the Lombardi and holding a long awaited WNY parade in February. There are plenty of players on the active roster, as well as the practice squad, who are here because of future potential rather than their imediate impact in 2013. If the release of Rogers was due simply to the inability of the of the organization to "consider the long view" and their tunnel vision in regard to 2013 production...then how do you explain their decision to keep any players that clearly were not going to make any type of significant contribution in 2013?
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