thewildrabbit Posted November 13, 2013 Posted November 13, 2013 No offense, but I have to question the context of all the stats you list as a basis to slam Hackett for not running the ball enough with young QBs. For instance, it was pointed out numerous times after the KC game that early in the 4th quarter of that game, the Bills had a run/pass ratio of 35/23. Gee, I wonder what happened to cause that ratio to shift so dramatically. Could it be they were forced to play catch-up? If there is ONE thing Hackett has done this year, it's try to protect his young QBs with the running game. But there comes a point when you're behind and you're just running the clock out on yourself. GO BILLS!!! If you look at my earlier post it shows passes vs rushes, and 2x the amount of passes is clearly not working to win games. Both games this year when the rushes surpassed the passes the Bills won against Baltimore, and could have easily won against the Patriots 23-21. The Bills were in a lot of the early games in the season because they had a full receiving corps, and they even won some games with Colin Brown at LG. Now that the WR corps has been hampered by numerous injuries you would think that the Bills would run the ball more, they didn't. In this latest game against the Steelers it looked like the run game wasn't working so Hackett stopped calling run plays an called more passing plays. Which to me is foolish considering the state of that receiver corps, SJ hurt and then out again. Robert Woods out. Marquise Goodwin out. Chris Hogan hurt and out. That left only TJ Graham, Marcus Easley. Ya know who the leading receiver was in that game was with only 4 catches, the 7th round pick at TE, Chris Gragg. 39 pass attempts vs 20 rushes seems so lame to me when Jackson & Spiller can be so potent if used properly.
Mango Posted November 13, 2013 Posted November 13, 2013 My biggest problem with Hackett, is the lack of plays called from behind center. We are way more successful every time we either run or pass from the direct snap. There are also a few 3rd down conversions I have watch the replays on that where head scratchers. I have watched them all, or have the pedigree that some people here have but, we will line up 2 wide and one TE on 3rd and 6 and run 2 go routes down the sideline and have the TE in the flat. I am not rewatching every play, but on important downs this type of play call is common. Why no depth in WR routes, and why not more high percentage options. The go route is more or less the lowest percentage passing play in all of football, and we are regularly sending multiples on important downs. It's this type of decision making that is driving me crazy.
Kemp Posted November 13, 2013 Posted November 13, 2013 With a bad qb and worse wrs, not to mention a poor OL, the problem is not the coaching.
atlbillsfan1975 Posted November 13, 2013 Posted November 13, 2013 Yea, and Hackett is pointing right along with everyone else. The majority of those 470 yards were from the RB's to the tune of 241 yards. Plus the RB's were averaging 6.3 YPC and dominating that Chiefs #5 defensive unit. Then this OC has a kid who never won more then 4 outta 26 games in college sling it all over....and it worked...right up until he had to make a play on 3rd and goal. That QB then threw an unforgiving pick 6 which turned around the entire game. None of these rookie QB's should be forced to shoulder the game this soon. In my view Hackett calls so many pass plays like he has a vet QB back there. But then, this is the same old story for every young QB no matter what happens with his surrounding cast, coaches, players, its always the QB's fault. Bottom line here is that this HC & OC had better figure out a way to win games. Yea, and Hackett is pointing right along with everyone else. The majority of those 470 yards were from the RB's to the tune of 241 yards. Plus the RB's were averaging 6.3 YPC and dominating that Chiefs #5 defensive unit. Then this OC has a kid who never won more then 4 outta 26 games in college sling it all over....and it worked...right up until he had to make a play on 3rd and goal. That QB then threw an unforgiving pick 6 which turned around the entire game. None of these rookie QB's should be forced to shoulder the game this soon. In my view Hackett calls so many pass plays like he has a vet QB back there. But then, this is the same old story for every young QB no matter what happens with his surrounding cast, coaches, players, its always the QB's fault. Bottom line here is that this HC & OC had better figure out a way to win games. I see you are coming around to Hackett being an issue. I believe we got into it in another thread over this earlier in the year. hackett has to go and Marrone has got to get a QB coach and OC who understand the NFL. IF this team had an OC as competent as Pettine they would be pretty darn good. The talent is not too far off.
3rdand12 Posted November 14, 2013 Posted November 14, 2013 With a bad qb and worse wrs, not to mention a poor OL, the problem is not the coaching. ]Well its kinda the coaching.
thewildrabbit Posted November 14, 2013 Posted November 14, 2013 (edited) With a bad qb and worse wrs, not to mention a poor OL, the problem is not the coaching. The Buffalo Bills are currently the #3 rushing team in the NFL. But, when you watch the games that isn't readily apparent. The Bills have had some great success running it, (241 yards against KC)(203 against Baltimore) and some rather dismal outings like this game against Pittsburgh. 8 touches for Spiller for only 23 yards=2.875 YPC average. 3 receptions for 11 yards=3.6 12 touches for Jackson for 55 yards=4.583 YPC average. (Then look what happens with 2x the touches at that YPC average 110 yards) 3 receptions for 7 yards=2.3 So, think if Jackson gets 24 touches and 110 yards, and this game could have gone entirely different. That short passing game dump offs to the RB's isn't working in the slightest. What I see is that FJax is like he has always been, in that he can make the first tackler miss and get yards almost on his own. Spiller needs space and can't always make that tackler miss, hence he doesn't do as well against the defense keying to stop him. Instead of trying to protect EJ, by keeping the TE & FB in to block at times. Perhaps Hackett should utilize the shotgun 4 wide spread offense like his predecessor did, and put the extra TE's and RB's out there as receivers. Heck, he always has his QB in the shotgun anyways, and always wants to throw it. So why not play it like Gailey did and spread the offense out making it easier for the RB's to make yards both running and catching it? To me, coaching is everything. Look at what a difference Mike Pettine made to that defense. The same could be said for that offense, if they found the right guy, JMO. I see you are coming around to Hackett being an issue. I believe we got into it in another thread over this earlier in the year. hackett has to go and Marrone has got to get a QB coach and OC who understand the NFL. IF this team had an OC as competent as Pettine they would be pretty darn good. The talent is not too far off. I agree with that. I wasn't down on Hackett until the Chiefs game (which I viewed as very winnable) where Hackett let Jeff Tuel sling it all over. I looked at Tuel and his history in college, hurt a lot, not a winner. Although he put up some decent numbers leads me to think he got those numbers in garbage time or trying to play catch up. With a record of 4-26 in college, quick release, (reminds me of Fitz, quick release, weak and inaccurate arm) shotgun spread with usually only one progressive read this kid is so raw its not funny. If EJ was considered a 3rd-4th round project QB pre senior bowl. Then had some very ordinary stats in a game with some very poor QB prospects but won the MVP. This elevated him to the first round.Now think, Tuel wasn't even drafted, and for a big reason as he is a huge long shot to becoming a starting NFL QB. Heck, he was even benched his senior year. In my view Hackett had no business allowing Tuel to throw as much as he did in that Chiefs game. For that matter EJ & Thad also have been forced to carry the game. So yea, I've since changed my mind on this new OC. Edited November 14, 2013 by FeartheLosing
Tintonfallsbillsfan Posted November 14, 2013 Posted November 14, 2013 It is not is fauly the execution has been horrible . Then add in the pesky problem of not having the same qb playing all season . Hackett doesn't picj the wrong hole, drop balls and miss wide open throws.
8-8 Forever? Posted November 14, 2013 Posted November 14, 2013 Beerball, all I'm saying is that we are past the point of winning for playoffs now. People are done with conservative calls and QB play. It was EJ's first game back I get it but you've only scored 3 points up to the 4th quarter, don't draw up plays on 3rd down that has a checkdown option. Don't give that to EJ as a safety valve on plays where it wouldn't make sense. I'm not saying the jury is out and that I don't back Hackett but I do think it's time to step up and deliver some excitement. What? No check down option? Any get your QB killed by leaving him no option but to throw into coverage or get killed? This is professional football, not some game in the backyard. Dangerous business, multiple coverages in back of 330lb guys literally trying to put your QB in the hospital. These guys have to give him a check down option until he instinctively knows what he is doing. geez. You guys all wanted this thing blown up this year, fire Fitz the exciting gunslinger and Gailey the super imaginative , screen calling, 400 page playbook guy…. you got what you wanted, total restart.. what you guys did not realize is that the buffalo bills would have no choice to get a rookie college coach and a rookie QB, which by definition takes all the "excitement" away as they feel their way into the NFL. Can't have it both ways. You wanted the total reset button pushed, but can't handle the fact that the excitement largely gets taken away for a while ….. it is what it is. Deal with it. Tradeoffs were made. Rebuilding is a b--ch. they'll be better, but I doubt this team makes the playoffs NEXT year..
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