Webster Guy Posted November 12, 2013 Posted November 12, 2013 Namath, Bradshaw, Fouts, Eli Manning, McNabb, Bledsoe, Simms, Elway and Cunningham? By the end of this season EJ Manuel will have better rookie season completion percentage, TD/INT ratio and passing yards per game than EVERY ONE of those guys. EJ guy missed three weeks of training camp and another month of regular season play. His most experienced receiver in the 2nd half of the Pitt game was TJ Graham, a player I believe will be out of football in two years. His coordinator is making him run a no huddle offense and laughably has EJ doing multiple read option handoffs (only they're just plain handoffs, there is no option component there because EJ has been told not to run) Look I'm not saying he's ever going to be the qb we all desperately want him to be, but the kid has less than 200 throws under his belt. He's completed about half of them and thrown less INT's on the season than Eli Manning has in one game this year. Rookies need time. Be patient. You're a Bills fan, losing is something we're already used to anyway. We need a high pick next year with a draft like this year's and we will start rolling teams.
PearlHowardman Posted November 12, 2013 Posted November 12, 2013 Are EJ's stats skewed because he missed so many games?
BringBackFergy Posted November 12, 2013 Posted November 12, 2013 Not trying to be a smartass, BUT....I know he has a gun for an arm (there is no disputing that) but how many of those completions are over 15 yards?? He has certainly mastered the 3 yard quick out and the slant (to some extent) but when we face 3rd and long or even when he attempts a long ball, I'd be interested to know how many completions he has over 15 yards?? How about 20 yards? 30 yds?? My main problem (and I know I harp on this) is EJ will struggle out of the shotgun because his WR's and TE's can't get any further downfield than say 10 yds as EJ is a little gun-shy - whereas if he played under center and incorporated more play action, it freezes the LB's for a moment and gives the WR's and TE more of a chance to go one on one against the CB's/DB's. His limited "long passes" are a product of his inability to see the play develop and this is directly related to Hackett's choice to play EJ primarily out of the shotgun (rather than under center). Maybe EJ has such bad footwork that Hackett knows he can't drop back as well....but even Peyton Manning (swollen ankles and all) plays under center because it gives the QB more options and gives the WR's more time to get to a spot further than 5 yards. Just my opinion.
DefenseWinzChampionshipz Posted November 12, 2013 Posted November 12, 2013 EJ will have better stats cuz he throws with fear and will not release the ball unless the receiver is wide open. I would say it's hard to throw interceptions while you check it down, but EJ had more than one almost intercepted...
Mike in Syracuse Posted November 12, 2013 Posted November 12, 2013 EJ will have better stats cuz he throws with fear and will not release the ball unless the receiver is wide open. I would say it's hard to throw interceptions while you check it down, but EJ had more than one almost intercepted... There are 20+ yard touchdown throws to Woods and Chandler that say you're wrong.
JPS Posted November 12, 2013 Posted November 12, 2013 I'm so negative on this team it's ridiculous. But I'm not worried about Manuel. I think he's going to be a good one if he stays healthy. He just has to many tools. Size, speed, arm. Seems to understand the offense and where to go with the ball. His execution will improve. That being said, hedge your bets and grab another QB next year in the 3rd.
CodeMonkey Posted November 12, 2013 Posted November 12, 2013 I'm so negative on this team it's ridiculous. But I'm not worried about Manuel. I think he's going to be a good one if he stays healthy. He just has to many tools. Size, speed, arm. Seems to understand the offense and where to go with the ball. His execution will improve. That being said, hedge your bets and grab another QB next year in the 3rd. I'm no QB expert, but i haven't seen anything on the field that makes me think the way you do. You take a look at Luck his rookie season and yeah, he had his rookie moments, but his mechanics (throwing motion as well as footwork) were sound from the beginning and you could see that after some experience he was probably going to be a good one. i don't see any of that in Manuel, at least so far. Way too early to call him a bust of course, but he sure seems to have an awfully long way to go.
KGUNBILLS Posted November 12, 2013 Posted November 12, 2013 I was guessing that each one of those guys had four fingers and a thumb on their throwing hand!
IDBillzFan Posted November 12, 2013 Posted November 12, 2013 None of them have ever been in my kitchen.
BringBackFergy Posted November 12, 2013 Posted November 12, 2013 None of them have ever been in my kitchen. I'm trying to place that quote and can't recall. Was it an SNL skit?? Jeopardy??
MDH Posted November 12, 2013 Posted November 12, 2013 Every one of the guys you mentioned except Eli is from a different era of football. One where the the rules of the game weren't tailored to allow offenses to march up and down the field. That being said, one putrid game doesn't make me concerned about Manuel. It's one game and everybody takes their lumps. Let's see how he bounces back and performs going forward.
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted November 12, 2013 Posted November 12, 2013 there is more to football then stats Yup wins and losses. End of story. That's why I have hope. EJ was a winner in college.
phypon Posted November 12, 2013 Posted November 12, 2013 I'm trying to place that quote and can't recall. Was it an SNL skit?? Jeopardy?? I believe it was from Cheers.
IDBillzFan Posted November 12, 2013 Posted November 12, 2013 I'm trying to place that quote and can't recall. Was it an SNL skit?? Jeopardy?? ] Cheers. Cliffy Claven on Jeopardy.
DefenseWinzChampionshipz Posted November 12, 2013 Posted November 12, 2013 (edited) There are 20+ yard touchdown throws to Woods and Chandler that say you're wrong. Yea and what's sad is you can count exactly on one hand how many of those he's had in 6 games. I'm not a EJ hater. He's our QB and I want the kid to succeed for all our sakes. But I ddon't look at an orange and try to prove that it's an apple. It's not a "coincidence" or "Hackett holding EJ back" when Tuel and Thad play, the ball is flying downfield (underthrow, overthrow, doesn't matter) but when EJ plays, he checks it down. Edited November 12, 2013 by DefenseWinzChampionshipz
BringBackFergy Posted November 12, 2013 Posted November 12, 2013 Yea and what's sad is you can count exactly on one hand how many of those he's had in 6 games. I think you're right...as I recall, Woods' catch was a true 18 or 20 yarder whereas Chandler's was a catch at 13 yards and a run in the endzone (YAC about 10). I am still trying to remember where EJ unloaded on a 25 yard strike to a WR or a long bomb but not sure if it has happened. Anyone recall? His stats show a 45 yarder but I assume that was mostly YAC.
CardinalScotts Posted November 12, 2013 Posted November 12, 2013 I'm an EJ believer but I think he has to play well this weekend against the Jets or you can't blame guys for questioning is this the guy. First jet game he look terrified of the pressure but really seems not to physically show it bothers him since. The month off is a HUGE deal and that's why I'm giving him a rookie bad game pass, but it's time to step up or step out
DefenseWinzChampionshipz Posted November 12, 2013 Posted November 12, 2013 I think you're right...as I recall, Woods' catch was a true 18 or 20 yarder whereas Chandler's was a catch at 13 yards and a run in the endzone (YAC about 10). I am still trying to remember where EJ unloaded on a 25 yard strike to a WR or a long bomb but not sure if it has happened. Anyone recall? His stats show a 45 yarder but I assume that was mostly YAC. I mean I'm fine with YAC. Every QB needs his WR to make a move or two to help both of their stats. What I see from EJ is just him not throwing down the field at all and when he does, it's nowhere near the receiver. I'm all for him not throwing interceptions but when you got one on one situations, you gotta throw the ball. Maybe the receivers aren't getting separation, maybe EJ is rushing his footwork. Who knows. But the obvious is that Tuel and Thad threw down field in the same playbook.
RyanC883 Posted November 12, 2013 Posted November 12, 2013 Namath, Bradshaw, Fouts, Eli Manning, McNabb, Bledsoe, Simms, Elway and Cunningham? By the end of this season EJ Manuel will have better rookie season completion percentage, TD/INT ratio and passing yards per game than EVERY ONE of those guys. EJ guy missed three weeks of training camp and another month of regular season play. His most experienced receiver in the 2nd half of the Pitt game was TJ Graham, a player I believe will be out of football in two years. His coordinator is making him run a no huddle offense and laughably has EJ doing multiple read option handoffs (only they're just plain handoffs, there is no option component there because EJ has been told not to run) Look I'm not saying he's ever going to be the qb we all desperately want him to be, but the kid has less than 200 throws under his belt. He's completed about half of them and thrown less INT's on the season than Eli Manning has in one game this year. Rookies need time. Be patient. You're a Bills fan, losing is something we're already used to anyway. We need a high pick next year with a draft like this year's and we will start rolling teams. Did those QB's throws consist mostly of throws under 10 yards. Did those QB's show the ability to throw beyond 10 yards their rookie years? EJ is so inaccurate he can't even throw an interception. I mean I'm fine with YAC. Every QB needs his WR to make a move or two to help both of their stats. What I see from EJ is just him not throwing down the field at all and when he does, it's nowhere near the receiver. I'm all for him not throwing interceptions but when you got one on one situations, you gotta throw the ball. Maybe the receivers aren't getting separation, maybe EJ is rushing his footwork. Who knows. But the obvious is that Tuel and Thad threw down field in the same playbook. This. And when Tuel played against a great KC D the whole offense opened up. Minus the rookie UDFA mistake of a pic-6 at the one, we prob win that game.
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