thebandit27 Posted November 11, 2013 Posted November 11, 2013 Boy I don't know. Yesterdays performance by Manuel sucked in epic proportions to be sure. Lewis, and even Tuel played better than Manuel did yesterday. The only thing he did well was to get out of bounds or slide on his runs. But to say now that the Bills should take another QB with their first round pick when there are so many needs on the team? If Manuel sucks the rest of the season and shows no signs of getting better, I suppose that's a consideration. But to say it now seems very premature to me. ^ Fully agree.
YoloinOhio Posted November 11, 2013 Posted November 11, 2013 Not going to read through all the posts here but want to say I agree with the OP. And if anyone thinks that the Bills are going to draft a QB this year they are going to be very disappointed. I have a feeling they will give EJ (and Marrone) at least 3 years and I don't blame them. I obviously agree EJ didn't look good at all yesterday. However, it is not that unexpected considering him being off the field for so long, the wind, bring at Pitt, LeBeau, no big WRs for him to go to. It was a very, very poor showing from the offense. I think they will look better against other teams in other situations. Geno looked the same against this defense, at home. 19-34, 201, 0TD, 2INT.
Rob's House Posted November 11, 2013 Posted November 11, 2013 Boy I don't know. Yesterdays performance by Manuel sucked in epic proportions to be sure. Lewis, and even Tuel played better than Manuel did yesterday. The only thing he did well was to get out of bounds or slide on his runs. But to say now that the Bills should take another QB with their first round pick when there are so many needs on the team? If Manuel sucks the rest of the season and shows no signs of getting better, I suppose that's a consideration. But to say it now seems very premature to me. What are these needs you speak of? I know there are a few areas where I'd like upgrades, but the worst position on this team by far is QB, which is also the most important, therefore 3-7.
YoloinOhio Posted November 11, 2013 Posted November 11, 2013 What are these needs you speak of? I know there are a few areas where I'd like upgrades, but the worst position on this team by far is QB, which is also the most important, therefore 3-7. Instead of thowing him out after 6 games and starting over with an unknown commodity, you could surround him with a Upgraded, difference making TE and at least one big time WR.
CodeMonkey Posted November 11, 2013 Posted November 11, 2013 (edited) What are these needs you speak of? I know there are a few areas where I'd like upgrades, but the worst position on this team by far is QB, which is also the most important, therefore 3-7. Like i said, if Manuel sucks the rest of the way then yeah they certainly have to consider a QB in the first or at least very early. But they need receivers, OL, at least one LB, Spiller seems to be just a situational back and FredEX ain't getting any younger, and they will probably lose Byrd this offseason. There are plenty of positions other than QB to spend high draft picks on. OL upgrades being at the top of my personal list (but I say that not being a college football fan so I don't know if any good ones are coming out this year or not). Edited November 11, 2013 by CodeMonkey
mart Posted November 11, 2013 Posted November 11, 2013 We can hope for the best with him. Will a new OC and better receivers help. It sure will. Will excuses help, they sure will not. We all know he was bad yesterday, so not much more to say.
mjt328 Posted November 11, 2013 Posted November 11, 2013 I'm sorry I thought this was the NFL. Rusty? Just not an acceptable excuse, I'm sorry. He's been practicing for two weeks. He played worse than either Tuel or Thad did in their first games, when they were seeing their first live action, and neither of them were drafted. EJ spends too much time tweeting about his college football team. Where is his head? Is he even focused on being a winning QB for the Bills? It certainly seemed like it at the beginning of the year, but now we all should be questioning whether he has the right mental makeup to go with all the question marks we already knew about his physical skill set. Obviously, he should get the last 6 games to show some progression and improvement. But if we don't see it, I'm all for taking a QB in the 1st round again. Funny. The same people who talk about his maturity, leadership, etc. - these are the same people that want to see him coddled. They are afraid that drafting another QB early will destroy his confidence. I'm sorry, but I want the guy who comes out every week to prove his doubters wrong.
Leelee Phoenix Posted November 11, 2013 Posted November 11, 2013 And if anyone thinks that the Bills are going to draft a QB this year they are going to be very disappointed. I know I will. They view Jeff Tuel as a potentially useful QB, that's why they've bothered keeping him on the roster. They're not drafting another kid until the next regime change in 2016.
Buftex Posted November 11, 2013 Posted November 11, 2013 Like i said, if Manuel sucks the rest of the way then yeah they certainly have to consider a QB in the first or at least very early. But they need receivers, OL, at least one LB, Spiller seems to be just a situational back and FredEX ain't getting any younger, and they will probably lose Byrd this offseason. There are plenty of positions other than QB to spend high draft picks on. I agree with this...and I am not ready to give up on Manuel just yet. However, you could argue, QB play has cost this team at least 3 games...it is a pretty great need. Not to say EJ can't be that guy, but he has to start showing he can make some plays.
CodeMonkey Posted November 11, 2013 Posted November 11, 2013 I know I will. They view Jeff Tuel as a potentially useful QB, that's why they've bothered keeping him on the roster. They're not drafting another kid until the next regime change in 2016. Maybe so. And I know that Marrone and the FO reached at least a little for Manuel at least in most peoples (outside of hardcore Bills fans maybe ) opinions so admitting that was a mistake would be very difficult. But to Marrones credit, he does not seem to shy away from admitting his shortcomings. This particular one would be a BIG one to admit however. All of the above presupposes that Manuel does not show steady improvement over the remainder of the season, which I am still hopeful that he does.
mjt328 Posted November 11, 2013 Posted November 11, 2013 Boy I don't know. Yesterdays performance by Manuel sucked in epic proportions to be sure. Lewis, and even Tuel played better than Manuel did yesterday. The only thing he did well was to get out of bounds or slide on his runs. But to say now that the Bills should take another QB with their first round pick when there are so many needs on the team? If Manuel sucks the rest of the season and shows no signs of getting better, I suppose that's a consideration. But to say it now seems very premature to me. When I look at this Bills squad, I don't see a ton of "needs" other than QB. Even without a 1st round pick, I could see all of our weak spots get easily addressed with a couple solid free agent pickups and with the other slots in the draft. > Our biggest holes are at left guard (Legursky) and outside linebacker (Moats). Truthfully, neither of those spots is really pulling our team down on a weekly basis... (at least since Colin Brown was released). Both of these positions could be adequately addressed in free agency or with 2nd-4th round picks. > Early in the season, we had big problems at cornerback - but most of that was an injury/depth problem. Our top 3 guys are Gilmore, McKelvin and Robey, who are all pretty decent. I wouldn't mind adding another 1-2 guys, but it's not a big need that needs to be addressed in the 1st round. > Assuming we don't re-sign any of our free agents, we are looking at replacing our tight end (Chandler), defensive end (Carrington/Branch) and free safety (Byrd).
Kemp2Warlick Posted November 11, 2013 Posted November 11, 2013 Chris Brown @ChrisBrownBills23m A look at another franchise QB's 1st 6 starts http://wp.me/plmrg-99K
thebandit27 Posted November 11, 2013 Posted November 11, 2013 Let's not forget that it was a mere 2 weeks ago that Geno Smith went on the road and put up a 20-30, 155 yd 0TD/2INT performance, finishing with a QB rating of 51.9 in a 49-9 loss (which included 2 pick-6's). The next week, they came home and beat New Orleans. In the NFL, rookies struggle, and sometimes look horrid...let's not throw the baby out with the bath water. EJ's played some good games, and he's played 2 stinkers now too. Let's see how he responds.
Security Posted November 11, 2013 Posted November 11, 2013 Don't sweat them taking a QB in round 1 though, Gilmore was the worst player in the field yesterday, Bills are going 1st round CB again!!!
thebandit27 Posted November 11, 2013 Posted November 11, 2013 Don't sweat them taking a QB in round 1 though, Gilmore was the worst player in the field yesterday, Bills are going 1st round CB again!!! If you truly believe that Gilmore was the worst player on the field, I shudder to think what you saw in EJ or Doug Legursky
Security Posted November 11, 2013 Posted November 11, 2013 If you truly believe that Gilmore was the worst player on the field, I shudder to think what you saw in EJ or Doug Legursky They were both very bad, I just thought Gilmore was worse. Joking about nthe CB 1st round selection anyway.
thebandit27 Posted November 11, 2013 Posted November 11, 2013 They were both very bad, I just thought Gilmore was worse. Joking about nthe CB 1st round selection anyway. I have no doubt...just lightening the mood really. Everyone was bad...nothing good I can say.
KikO M G Posted November 11, 2013 Posted November 11, 2013 If Thad Lewis was the project drafted in the 1st round, I would be optimistic. If Tuel was the project drafted in the 1st round, I would be optimistic. Both of them, though not great, proved themselves capable of doing SOME things at the NFL level. What did Manuel show yesterday? In the most important game of the season for a team clinging to its season hopes? Absolutely nothing! No fight like Thad. No deep ball like Tuel. No creativity. No decision making. No confidence. Being a project insinuates that you have first round talent that needs to be developed and refined. Where was that talent yesterday? Did you see ANY sign of it? Even for a moment? I didn't. And that tells me the first round pick was a giant swing and miss.
eball Posted November 11, 2013 Posted November 11, 2013 It's funny the extremes from the bust crowd to the apologists. He could still be a great quarterback someday, we simply don't know right now. My issue is with management drafting him where he was drafted. This type of "we know something everyone else doesn't" mentality has kept this franchise in a state of mediocrity for years. You simply can't get cute with the draft. I would suggest that every draft pick made by every team is an example of "we know something everyone else doesn't." Nothing is guaranteed -- particularly not at the QB position. It is simply too soon to make an assessment on EJ. This kid -- and yes, EJ is still a kid -- has played 6 games of football against NFL pros. He had a bad day against one of the greatest defensive coaches in history. Time to throw that baby out with the bathwater all right. The Pop-Tart mentality of so many on this board is frustrating.
John from Riverside Posted November 11, 2013 Author Posted November 11, 2013 One game.....coming off injury on the road....and a rookie That is all
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