NoSaint Posted November 20, 2013 Posted November 20, 2013 In a certain sense, I find this to be worse than the Incognito stuff. McNabb has always struck me as devious. To be playing psychological games and spreading rumors about a guy on the team that struggled with depression, is being devious and preying on someone's weakness. still not knowing quite what we will get from the incognito story or the other half of the eagles story, i dont know if it will be better/worse but ill say i agree that mcnabbs stuff is awful if true.
CBD Posted November 20, 2013 Posted November 20, 2013 (edited) This is kinda interesting, considering that Incognito was drafted in 2006 Martz left the Rams for health reasons in mid-October 2005, was prevented by the Rams from coaching the end of the season after he was medically cleared to return, and was fired in early January 2006. How would he know exactly why the Rams drafted Incognito? Incognito was drafted in 2005, third round, pick 81. He was on the non football injury list for the season, but was brought to the team while Martz was still there. Edited November 20, 2013 by Carey Bender
l< j Posted November 20, 2013 Posted November 20, 2013 More on Incognito: http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-football/24249125/report-richie-incognito-dolphins-players-harassed-team-staffer
NoSaint Posted November 20, 2013 Posted November 20, 2013 More on Incognito: http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-football/24249125/report-richie-incognito-dolphins-players-harassed-team-staffer from the article Additionally, Cole reports "Incognito would sometimes dress in garb from the staff member's culture and then make profane jokes about that culture" and that another player "joined in on the antics, creating an extremely uncomfortable environment for the staff member." The worst part, though? Cole's report that "Incognito said on a number of occasions that the staff member's wife had sexual relationships with several members of the team."
boyst Posted November 20, 2013 Posted November 20, 2013 from the article that's bad? Hell. He would not last long around most of the guys I work with at my job or around much of any farmer I know. They are really starring to show how blown out of proportion this was. Miami was in destruct mode, they'll fight incognito on money to recoup some and this just reeks of full retard all around.
NoSaint Posted November 20, 2013 Posted November 20, 2013 that's bad? Hell. He would not last long around most of the guys I work with at my job or around much of any farmer I know. They are really starring to show how blown out of proportion this was. Miami was in destruct mode, they'll fight incognito on money to recoup some and this just reeks of full retard all around. once your farm gets an HR department, you will be in trouble!
RuntheDamnBall Posted November 20, 2013 Posted November 20, 2013 that's bad? Hell. He would not last long around most of the guys I work with at my job or around much of any farmer I know. They are really starring to show how blown out of proportion this was. Miami was in destruct mode, they'll fight incognito on money to recoup some and this just reeks of full retard all around. The office is not a farm.
l< j Posted November 20, 2013 Posted November 20, 2013 In any other business, if you used the n-word, made a joke about someone's ethnicity, made crude statements about an employee or his wife, and fondled a woman with a golf club, you would no longer be employed. And might well be in jail.
boyst Posted November 20, 2013 Posted November 20, 2013 I work a real job too. Surprised ya'll didn't know that But still. Spend time around a lumber yard, a warehouse, fire dept, any place where men are men and you hear this stuff. I guess not really all that important because everywhere I've worked I have a rather large HR file. But, still... men can be hard as hell on each other.
Rob's House Posted November 20, 2013 Posted November 20, 2013 Because there's no distinction between an NFL locker room and a hyper PC corporate office.
l< j Posted November 20, 2013 Posted November 20, 2013 Because there's no distinction between an NFL locker room and a hyper PC corporate office. If by "hyper PC" you mean "you don't have license to be a jackass just because", then I guess that makes sense.
boyst Posted November 20, 2013 Posted November 20, 2013 If by "hyper PC" you mean "you don't have license to be a jackass just because", then I guess that makes sense. stuff just as dirty goes on in a major corporation from time to time. By all evidence since the release of this story we are finding out that it is common in most other locker rooms, too.
Rob's House Posted November 20, 2013 Posted November 20, 2013 If by "hyper PC" you mean "you don't have license to be a jackass just because", then I guess that makes sense. How erudite of you.
NoSaint Posted November 20, 2013 Posted November 20, 2013 stuff just as dirty goes on in a major corporation from time to time. By all evidence since the release of this story we are finding out that it is common in most other locker rooms, too. depends what we define "it" as. dressing up in ethnic garb and mocking team staff saying you slept with their wife, might not be as common as you think. throwing around conversational foul language and insults, likely very common (depending on where you draw the line)
K-9 Posted November 20, 2013 Posted November 20, 2013 I work a real job too. Surprised ya'll didn't know that But still. Spend time around a lumber yard, a warehouse, fire dept, any place where men are men and you hear this stuff. I guess not really all that important because everywhere I've worked I have a rather large HR file. But, still... men can be hard as hell on each other. Not that there's anything wrong with that. GO BILLS!!!
boyst Posted November 20, 2013 Posted November 20, 2013 depends what we define "it" as. dressing up in ethnic garb and mocking team staff saying you slept with their wife, might not be as common as you think. throwing around conversational foul language and insults, likely very common (depending on where you draw the line) but in the hyper PC world, especially in corporate america, as was mentioned and believed... neither is worse then the other because both are not tolerated. If I called someone a stupid ugly banana face it'd be the same as using a simple racial term.
NoSaint Posted November 20, 2013 Posted November 20, 2013 but in the hyper PC world, especially in corporate america, as was mentioned and believed... neither is worse then the other because both are not tolerated. If I called someone a stupid ugly banana face it'd be the same as using a simple racial term. sometimes yes, often times very much no. theres plenty that are unacceptable but wouldnt be immediate firing. while all are against any workplace policy - how they are dealt with can vary greatly.
RuntheDamnBall Posted November 20, 2013 Posted November 20, 2013 Because there's no distinction between an NFL locker room and a hyper PC corporate office. I was thinking that "team staffer" suggests this might not just be happening in the locker room. I guess that is open to interpretation. Generally speaking, if someone feels excluded from or ostracized at the workplace (as opposed to being in on the joke) that's where these lines tend to be crossed. I guess good on these guys that they can be dicks at work. There are certainly looser workplaces but if there's no respect, then there are bound to be some issues somewhere along the line. They just usually don't manifest themselves in league- or company-wide investigations.
Rob's House Posted November 20, 2013 Posted November 20, 2013 (edited) I was thinking that "team staffer" suggests this might not just be happening in the locker room. I guess that is open to interpretation. Generally speaking, if someone feels excluded from or ostracized at the workplace (as opposed to being in on the joke) that's where these lines tend to be crossed. I guess good on these guys that they can be dicks at work. There are certainly looser workplaces but if there's no respect, then there are bound to be some issues somewhere along the line. They just usually don't manifest themselves in league- or company-wide investigations. Don't conflate the issues. I've not commented on that particular behavior. I simply pointed out that I think it's beyond absurd to pretend an NFL locker room is no different from a BoA office. Edited November 20, 2013 by Rob's House
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