FireChan Posted November 1, 2013 Posted November 1, 2013 I understand the perspective to take another QB the BILLS really like because of the unknown with EJ, not to mention the frustration of seeing the constant merry-go-round of QBs they've had since Kelly retired...I get it... But, there's also a thought process of saying, why take two QBs when you may have ONE that's the solution. And let's face it, taking a second QB, unless its in the 4th round or later is till a gamble and he may or may not pan out and then you've invested two high Draft choices in ONE position. As for other areas of need, and this is just my perspective, but there are a number of other issues for this team. One, is a big, physical WR...two, another monster LB...three, Um Offensive Line? and Lastly, the D Line is aging and we need to address that as well. I would prefer in next year's Draft to address, LB, Offensive Line and physical WR in that order from Rounds 1-3 first...now, if next year EJ has shown he just doesn't have it and has played the entire year and there's no progress or development, then I think you have a valid point of Drafting another QB high, i.e. Rounds 1 or 2..and as for injury risk, I think a knee is too problematic to risk your 1st Round QB going out there when this game will most likely NOT be decided by QB play, as the Chief's D is serious and their running game is outstanding....this game will be decided by the BILLS D and their ability to run the ball....essentially ball control and clock management with hopefully one turnover coupled with decent field position....EJ could throw for 350 yards, I don't think it would "decide" the win-loss....just in my mind. Just to be clear, we kinda strayed away from the EJ being rushed out for sunday's game. I don't think he should play until he's ready. I was just defending the "draft a QB next year point." Now, why take another QB we we may have the guy? I only need to point you to Jacksonville and Tennessee. Waited 3 years to see if they had the guy and wasted all of their talent. MJD and CJ2YPC are both on the verge of being washed up. Do you think if Gabbert had been fully healthy, never missed a game, they would have given up on him sooner? I do. The more body of work you can judge a QB, the better. I'm not saying EJ is the next Gabbert, but he could be. As for your areas of concern, I say those are luxury picks. Would another DROTY candidate at LB help? Sure, but it can't wash away poor QB play. A big physical WR? Unless it's a Calvin Johnson can't-miss-monster, that's not really gonna help with a poor QB. And O-line? An LG right? Because Urbik, Glenn, Wood, and Pears are adequate. Would having one more good offensive lineman win us a couple of games we lost this year? You also need to think that if we get a 1st-3rd round QB, we can still draft in two of those positions. If we wait a year, and EJ doesn't have it, we will have wasted a year. Why not have a back up plan in place? Look at the Redskins with Kirk Cousins. Drafted another QB to be a solid backup and/or take over. And it worked for them when RG3 got hurt last year. Would you be happy with a QB that when all was said and done had two Super Bowl rings, was a Super Bowl MVP and a couple of Pro Bowls? Phil Simms early career, separated shoulder, broken thumb, and a knee injury. Simms was basically out for three of his first four years. An injury is not a reason to give up on a guy. I'm not giving up on anyone, because EJ has not earned any devotion. He hasn't played or shown enough because of the injury. Phil Simms had early career injuries? Cool, so did Pennington, Locker, and Gabbert. EJ is barely worth more than his draft position at this point, and taking another QB can not harm us, no matter who "wins" the job.
Alphadawg7 Posted November 1, 2013 Posted November 1, 2013 Just to be clear, we kinda strayed away from the EJ being rushed out for sunday's game. I don't think he should play until he's ready. I was just defending the "draft a QB next year point." Now, why take another QB we we may have the guy? I only need to point you to Jacksonville and Tennessee. Waited 3 years to see if they had the guy and wasted all of their talent. MJD and CJ2YPC are both on the verge of being washed up. Do you think if Gabbert had been fully healthy, never missed a game, they would have given up on him sooner? I do. The more body of work you can judge a QB, the better. I'm not saying EJ is the next Gabbert, but he could be. As for your areas of concern, I say those are luxury picks. Would another DROTY candidate at LB help? Sure, but it can't wash away poor QB play. A big physical WR? Unless it's a Calvin Johnson can't-miss-monster, that's not really gonna help with a poor QB. And O-line? An LG right? Because Urbik, Glenn, Wood, and Pears are adequate. Would having one more good offensive lineman win us a couple of games we lost this year? You also need to think that if we get a 1st-3rd round QB, we can still draft in two of those positions. If we wait a year, and EJ doesn't have it, we will have wasted a year. Why not have a back up plan in place? Look at the Redskins with Kirk Cousins. Drafted another QB to be a solid backup and/or take over. And it worked for them when RG3 got hurt last year. I'm not giving up on anyone, because EJ has not earned any devotion. He hasn't played or shown enough because of the injury. Phil Simms had early career injuries? Cool, so did Pennington, Locker, and Gabbert. EJ is barely worth more than his draft position at this point, and taking another QB can not harm us, no matter who "wins" the job. Do you watch football? Locker had Tenn undefeated this year before his injury and Fitzcraptrick took over and has been great since his return. He has only one Int on the year. Locker is exactly the argument proving yours wrong. He took a couple years to develop, but the kid has been balling this year. He's exactly why you don't give up on a kid early.
FireChan Posted November 1, 2013 Posted November 1, 2013 Do you watch football? Locker had Tenn undefeated this year before his injury and Fitzcraptrick took over and has been great since his return. He has only one Int on the year. Locker is exactly the argument proving yours wrong. He took a couple years to develop, but the kid has been balling this year. He's exactly why you don't give up on a kid early. Can't help the team if you only play 6 games a year.
Alphadawg7 Posted November 1, 2013 Posted November 1, 2013 Can't help the team if you only play 6 games a year. Really? He's helping them now and only missed a couple games. And this is about as dumb as a reply as you could have written. It was already clear there was no intelligent argument you could make about locker because he's really playing good football, but rather than just acknowledge you were foolish to include him in your bust rant to prove you need to draft QB after QB, you instead reply with that comical statement.
Koufax Posted November 1, 2013 Posted November 1, 2013 I hope he plays soon, but no deviation from: 1) Knee healing reasonably 2) Medical clearance from doctors (not coaches or fans) to practice 3) Practice 4) Medical assessment that he is ready to play 5) Play No skipping any steps in that, and I hope #5 happens really soon, but only when the first four are done. Deviating from this even for playoff games makes little sense (see RGIII), but for a week 9 game for a 3-5 team, definitely no thanks.
DE Bills Fan Posted November 1, 2013 Posted November 1, 2013 How can you say that! Do you you have access to his medical condition? Only an idiot would make a statement like you just made. Manuel should come back when he is ready and has been given medical clearance. The Bills made a huge investment in him, and to risk that at this point would be idiotic. Your post makes no sense. Why sould Manuel risk himself until he is ready????
H2o Posted November 1, 2013 Posted November 1, 2013 I know none of us know what level of sprain EJ has, but quality of care plays a big part in the healing process of a knee sprain. Im thinking he is getting excellent care and has to be close. Marrone has hinted to it. It seems thad is hurting and the thought of Tuel or Flynn starting Sunday makes me and im sure most of us very uneasy. I say EJ braces up the knee and plays. Isnt this what alot of players have done in the past? If we could squeek out a win against KC theres a decent chance to make a run. This team drives me nuts but damn I still love em. That's what happened to RGIII last year and we saw what ensued. Regardless of what people want to believe, we are not in a playoff race. We would likely have to win out to make it, or at the most only suffer one more loss. That's not happening. Let him get to 100% and then put him back out there.
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