How many games does Thad Lewis have to win to remain the starter

[tennesseeboy]

5-0 would make it impossible to start anyone else. It would be like having a doug flutie get you to the playoffs and then starting rob Johnson. Oh....wait a minute.

[C.Biscuit97]

Another perfect example of why W-L records for a QB is so stupid. The Bills TEAM won the game. I'm thrilled with Thad but he didn't win the game. The team did. Mario made monster plays. Robey had a pick 6. Jackson picked up tough yards. Johnson made tough catches.

 

IMO, the best thing that has come out of this is the Bills have found a solid backup QB. It's EJ until he plays himself out of it.

[FireChan]

I'm not the one giving Thad credit for the win when he played like crap, and that was the question, "how many wins" does Thad need to be the starter. Oh, and no, not everything I said could be said about EJ in a couple games. For example, before he got hurt, EJ threw a TD pass in every game he played and had a higher QB rating than Thad did in this game in three of his four complete games. His only sub-70 rating game was Baltimore, a game we won. And EJ did that with Brown at LG, who was consistently wihffing on his pass blocks so badly he was demoted from starter to the unemployment line. If you sincerely think Thad is a better QB than EJ, just let me know because I have been down this "buffalo fans always root for the underpaid underdog" street before. Its how you get to Chris Kelsay Blvd and Fitzpatrick Sq.

 

So you don't give Thad credit for this win, but you give EJ credit for Baltimore?

 

Thad is the only QB on the roster that has utilized Graham and Goodwin deep, which is basically the reasons they were drafted. I'd take a QB who can actually use half of our receivers please. Thad can throw deep. Thad can run the option better than EJ and actually knows how to slide. Thad is more agile than EJ, he can make a defender miss. Thad had a game as good as EJ's best against the Bengals defense, which shut down Brady, and he did it without our #1 WR. Thad has limited the turnovers. Thad also had no run game yesterday and still managed to put us in a position to win. He stood in the pocket and took a big hit to complete a pass, EJ does not do that.

[thebandit27]

So you don't give Thad credit for this win, but you give EJ credit for Baltimore?

 

Thad is the only QB on the roster that has utilized Graham and Goodwin deep, which is basically the reasons they were drafted. I'd take a QB who can actually use half of our receivers please. Thad can throw deep. Thad can run the option better than EJ and actually knows how to slide. Thad is more agile than EJ, he can make a defender miss. Thad had a game as good as EJ's best against the Bengals defense, which shut down Brady, and he did it without our #1 WR. Thad has limited the turnovers. Thad also had no run game yesterday and still managed to put us in a position to win. He stood in the pocket and took a big hit to complete a pass, EJ does not do that.

 

EJ can throw deep, as he showed against Baltimore

EJ can evade defenders; I'm sure you watched the final drive against Carolina

Thad turned the ball over in careless ways in both starts; a horrible throw yesterday and a fumble while carrying the ball like a loaf of bread vs. Cinci

 

Also, the fact that you say EJ won't take a hit to complete a pass shows me that you literally haven't watched a game this season. According the NFL.com, the Bills have suffered the 2nd most QB hits in the league; I'm 100% certain that they didn't all happen to Thad.

 

Also, since you're espousing the merits of the Bengals' defense, know that it's quite a different story on the road versus at home.

 

They allowed 24 points each to the Bears, Bills, and Lions, and 17 to Cleveland in an 11-point loss.

At home, they've allowed 10 to Pittsburgh, 30 to Green Bay, and 6 to NE.

 

Lastly, yes, Thad was the winning QB today. He also played very poorly and got bailed out by the defense. I'm happy we won; I want EJ back.

[Homey D. Clown]

It doesn't matter how many he wins, but if he begins playing like a pro Bowler, they will have to consider keeping him in. There's no way a head coach pulls a hot hand unless he's a complete jauron.

[FireChan]

 

 

EJ can throw deep, as he showed against Baltimore

EJ can evade defenders; I'm sure you watched the final drive against Carolina

Thad turned the ball over in careless ways in both starts; a horrible throw yesterday and a fumble while carrying the ball like a loaf of bread vs. Cinci

 

Also, the fact that you say EJ won't take a hit to complete a pass shows me that you literally haven't watched a game this season. According the NFL.com, the Bills have suffered the 2nd most QB hits in the league; I'm 100% certain that they didn't all happen to Thad.

 

Also, since you're espousing the merits of the Bengals' defense, know that it's quite a different story on the road versus at home.

 

They allowed 24 points each to the Bears, Bills, and Lions, and 17 to Cleveland in an 11-point loss.

At home, they've allowed 10 to Pittsburgh, 30 to Green Bay, and 6 to NE.

 

Lastly, yes, Thad was the winning QB today. He also played very poorly and got bailed out by the defense. I'm happy we won; I want EJ back.

 

One point, his arm got hit yesterday, not much you can do there.

 

I don't think you can disagree that EJ struggles to get the ball to Graham(Goodwin was hurt but they are basically the same player). EJ can throw the deep ball on completely blown coverage only. Woods gets 5 yards on his man and the safety cheats up? Sure, EJ could make that throw, but so could Fitz. So far, only Thad has shown he can hit Graham and Goodwin on the sidelines; while EJ failed miserably on that throw.

 

Also, QB hits doesn't mean EJ completed the pass does it? That stat means nothing.

 

EJ hasn't had careless turnovers? Is that a joke? Thad is better or equal in every facet of the game to EJ, and I don't think it's disputable. I don't think you can say, "he had 1 fumble he's worse than EJ" when EJ has gotten stripped how many times? Or how many times has EJ thrown the wrong type of pass for an easy interception?

 

And how many times has EJ gotten bailed out by our D? Two goaline stands to hold them to 6 and not 14? Fumble returns for TD's. 5 interceptions that he could only turn into field goals or nothing?

Edited October 21, 2013 by FireChan

[Offside Number 76]

I guess if he takes the Bills to the Super Bowl, I'll consider it.

[NoSaint]

 

 

so far, but EJ will probably start, ya know the whole first round thing even if the backup is better.

 

So youre on the Thad is better in every way bandwagon now?

[thebandit27]

One point, his arm got hit yesterday, not much you can do there.

 

You can throw the ball before the defender gets there; something he had plenty of time to do on several occasions over the past 2 weeks and hasn't. I like Thad, but let's not confuse his level of play; he hasn't been better than EJ

 

I don't think you can disagree that EJ struggles to get the ball to Graham(Goodwin was hurt but they are basically the same player). EJ can throw the deep ball on completely blown coverage only. Woods gets 5 yards on his man and the safety cheats up? Sure, EJ could make that throw, but so could Fitz. So far, only Thad has shown he can hit Graham and Goodwin on the sidelines; while EJ failed miserably on that throw.

 

Yes, he did struggle with deep throws to Graham, no doubt. HIs issue has been setting his feet on deep throws; when he did it, he was on the money. When he didn't, he was off. Something that gets fixed with practice. It shouldn't surprise you that a guy (Lewis) with 3+ years of NFL coaching can do that better than a guy with 3 months of it. Also, you don't need to denigrate the deep throws EJ has hit to make your point; his TD pass to Woods vs. Baltimore was beautiful.

 

Also, QB hits doesn't mean EJ completed the pass does it? That stat means nothing.

 

You're smart enough to extrapolate man. Lewis isn't taking any more hits than EJ did. He's certainly not taking more hits as a result of poorer pass blocking, as the OL has been much better with Legursky in there instead of Brown. The two QBs have almost identical numbers with the exception that EJ does a better job of getting rid of the ball to avoid a sack (faced a greater number of pressures/game but only been sacked 13 times in 3.5 games vs. Thad's 9 times in 2 games).

 

EJ hasn't had careless turnovers? Is that a joke? Thad is better or equal in every facet of the game to EJ, and I don't think it's disputable. I don't think you can say, "he had 1 fumble he's worse than EJ" when EJ has gotten stripped how many times? Or how many times has EJ thrown the wrong type of pass for an easy interception?

 

Now you're arguing a straw man. Please show me where I said that EJ hasn't had careless turnovers. What I said was in response to you saying that Thad has limited the turnovers; he hasn't. He's had careless turnovers in both games. I have no problem debating the merits of players so long as you don't argue against points I haven't made.

 

And how many times has EJ gotten bailed out by our D? Two goaline stands to hold them to 6 and not 14? Fumble returns for TD's. 5 interceptions that he could only turn into field goals or nothing?

 

Again, I never said EJ didn't get help from the D...he did; absolutely. He also hasn't played a game as poor as the one Thad played yesterday IMO.

[FireChan]

 

 

You can throw the ball before the defender gets there; something he had plenty of time to do on several occasions over the past 2 weeks and hasn't. I like Thad, but let's not confuse his level of play; he hasn't been better than EJ

 

 

 

Yes, he did struggle with deep throws to Graham, no doubt. HIs issue has been setting his feet on deep throws; when he did it, he was on the money. When he didn't, he was off. Something that gets fixed with practice. It shouldn't surprise you that a guy (Lewis) with 3+ years of NFL coaching can do that better than a guy with 3 months of it. Also, you don't need to denigrate the deep throws EJ has hit to make your point; his TD pass to Woods vs. Baltimore was beautiful.

 

 

 

You're smart enough to extrapolate man. Lewis isn't taking any more hits than EJ did. He's certainly not taking more hits as a result of poorer pass blocking, as the OL has been much better with Legursky in there instead of Brown. The two QBs have almost identical numbers with the exception that EJ does a better job of getting rid of the ball to avoid a sack (faced a greater number of pressures/game but only been sacked 13 times in 3.5 games vs. Thad's 9 times in 2 games).

 

 

 

Now you're arguing a straw man. Please show me where I said that EJ hasn't had careless turnovers. What I said was in response to you saying that Thad has limited the turnovers; he hasn't. He's had careless turnovers in both games. I have no problem debating the merits of players so long as you don't argue against points I haven't made.

 

 

 

Again, I never said EJ didn't get help from the D...he did; absolutely. He also hasn't played a game as poor as the one Thad played yesterday IMO.

 

I don't mean to put words in your mouth. It just seems to me if "careless" turnovers are the reasons Thad is worse, than EJ better not have them either. I thought that was your point. I'll respond more thoroughly later.

[K-9]

EJ can't get back soon enough. Certainly not before he's 100%, but let's not pretend Lewis is some sort of upgrade in the meantime. He's barely serviceable from what I've seen.

 

But man, that long ball is so sexy, ain't it?

 

Too bad it's the easiest play in football to take away and you can't make a living at it.

 

GO BILLS!!!

[FireChan]

EJ can't get back soon enough. Certainly not before he's 100%, but let's not pretend Lewis is some sort of upgrade in the meantime. He's barely serviceable from what I've seen.

 

But man, that long ball is so sexy, ain't it?

 

Too bad it's the easiest play in football to take away and you can't make a living at it.

 

GO BILLS!!!

 

Then why did we hate Fitz for not having it?

[Jauronimo]

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[thebandit27]

Then why did we hate Fitz for not having it?

 

Not a great comparison, as his point was that you need to have more than the long ball in your arsenal (see Losman, J.P.), and he doesn't know/think that Lewis does. Fitz lacked a long ball, which can hurt a team in much the same way.

 

EJ has both the short and long passing game ability; he does need to fix that habit of not setting his feet though. I believe he will; it just comes with time, practice, and patience.

 

Brees used to have the same issue, and when he got it fixed he became one of the most accurate passers in NFL history. I'm not saying EJ will have the same level of improvement, just that I expect his long ball accuracy to improve significantly when he makes the adjustment.

Edited October 21, 2013 by thebandit27

[Buffalo Beeeews]

Thad did next to nothing to aide in yesterdays win. EJ is the starter.

[purple haze]

Really? I think Thad is better in every conceivable way.

 

LoL. Thad is a veteran. He should see some things on the field better. But you all act like Thad is leading

the Bills dominant wins. Each game he's played has been close, and the QB play is gritty, but inconsistent.

Just like when EJ was starting. But EJ, being a rookie, is at his floor. Thad is near his cieling. BIG DIFFERENCE.

I like Thad and what he brings and believe we have our backup QB. But EJ is the starter and should be.

[thewildrabbit]

While I do admire Lewis's ability to make a big play now and again. Plus his enthusiasm is infectious, and he didn't do anything to lose the game like Fitz would have.

 

The Bills seriously need to wait and watch to see how this kid progresses. Because when you sit back and think that only two short weeks ago he was on the practice squad. The Bills traded LBer Chris White to the Lions for Lewis back in August. Then was released and signed to the practice squad. So he didn't get many first team reps in training camp or first team starts in pre season.

 

Lewis could conceivably get much much better with more reps and practice with the starters. Then again he could get so much worse once teams learn his tendency's just like all the rest of the Bills QB's the last decade.

 

 

Clearly this is a wait and see situation, and from what I've seen of the NFL...nothing is ever set in stone.

[Kellyto83TD]

It matters not. When EJ returns to health, he's the starting QB. Period! EOS.

 

And that is why the team sucks. !@#$ EJ. He hasn't proven anything other than he is getting out performed at his former team by a freshman. he can't read defenses, holds the ball too long, afraid to throw downfield and if he does try he misses wide open guys etc.

 

This bull **** of you must play a guy because you drafted him in the first round is just that, bull ****. Play the best players

[FireChan]

LoL. Thad is a veteran. He should see some things on the field better. But you all act like Thad is leading

the Bills dominant wins. Each game he's played has been close, and the QB play is gritty, but inconsistent.

Just like when EJ was starting. But EJ, being a rookie, is at his floor. Thad is near his cieling. BIG DIFFERENCE.

I like Thad and what he brings and believe we have our backup QB. But EJ is the starter and should be.

 

A vet? 3 career starts? Are you joking? How do you judge a ceiling? Or a floor? What was Leinhart's ceiling his first year? Or Leaf's?

[Braedenstearns]

I would say ride the hot hand. if Thad is winning keep Thad in. If he is not doing well when EJ gets back, put EJ In.