How many games does Thad Lewis have to win to remain the starter

[Alphadawg7]

1. No you didn't. Do you know what words mean? This is a petty point.

2. You said Spiller doesn't get hurt, remember? Don't worry, I pulled up the posts in that rushing yard count thread.

3. And if you took two of EJ's games, his total would be less. That's why I mentioned his 9 QBR, which you conveniently ignored. Don't even get me started on his abysmal YPA stat.

4. Don't caaaare

5. Blind optimism in Spiller, when you and me first started clashing, and I was proven correct.

6. Fair enough, didn't expect that.

7. And it's a fallacy stat. To compare our team to the Broncos and indicate we share any of their talent is an insult to talent.

8. See Spiller, CJ. Also, don't caaaare.

 

LMAO FireChan...please show where I said Spiller is Superman, made of steel, impossible to hurt, and 100% invincible. I argued against him being injury prone, which had NOT been at the point of that conversation. This is why no one can discuss anything with you, because of idiotical responses like this as if myself or anyone implied that the possibility of an injury to him was literally impossible. ANY player can get hurt, I simply defended Spiller about whether he can carry the load as a full time back, and the fact he did get hurt still has no relevance to whether he can or not. He carried the load without issue last year. Got his ankle twisted up this year, and rather sit a game or two to let it heal, he has played through it causing it to linger and make little to no progress.

 

Reggie Wayne, the leagues current ironman, just got knocked out for the season...that doesnt suddenly make him injury prone and not able to be an every down player.

 

And point 3 shows you have NO IDEA what you are talking about. QBR has nothing to do with TOTALS. Its a rating on a PER GAME basis and his season QBR is an AVERAGE over those games. NOTHING to do with a total of anything. Sure, if you want to take his 2 worst games his QBR would be lower, just like with any AVERAGE based statistic. Hes played in 5 games, and his average is 20 points higher than Thads average over his 2 games. I already said after 5 games I expect Thads to rise more, but Thad is yet to have even a single game that is as high as EJ's average. Thads QBR was under 40 in BOTH his games where EJ has an average of 42.2. Point is, he isnt out playing EJ yet.

 

You want to say you are right about Spiller? Right about what? You said he isnt any good...so he gets hurt and cant play much and that validates he isnt any good? One of the dumbest things you have said yet, especially since Spiller has still made big plays for us on one leg while trying to play through a serious issue for him as a RB with the lower leg injury.

 

And finally, again, typical stupid remark about the points per game...at NO POINT did I ever compare us to the Broncos...I said the only 2 teams to score 20 or more in every game was us and them. I did not say we are any where near them, I was showing consistency in our scoring on a per game basis between EJ and Thad to show we are averaging the same with both at QB further illustrating Thad isnt doing more than EJ was. And your hilarious comment to discredit scoring under EJ about how the D scored points too...well first TD this weekend with Thad was a pick 6 by our D...so there goes that ridiculous reply too.

Edited October 23, 2013 by Alphadawg7

[pi2000]

The real question is who will come in when Thad gets hurt in the next few weeks. He took a pounding in that Miami game. I love his bravado in the pocket, but he's not going to last long playing that way.

[Boatdrinks]

The real question is who will come in when Thad gets hurt in the next few weeks. He took a pounding in that Miami game. I love his bravado in the pocket, but he's not going to last long playing that way.

 

I'd say it would be Matt Flynn, maybe not this week but soon. His signing shows they are scared to death of being one play away from Tuel time. He is really a developmental, couple years down the road type of guy. Hopefully TL stays healthy to give Flynn a little time to prepare. If Monday nights performance by Freeman is any indication, a few weeks of prep is not enough.

[A Dog Named Kelso]

I said WILL HAVE problems with strip sacks!!!!! He's had 2 starts! Perhaps you'll revisit this "starter thing" why don't you tell the Bills that? Something tells me they already have a plan. Something like they will keep TL in if they are in the thick of the playoff race, otherwise it's back to EJ. I'm sure the Bills will also be interested to know that their new criteria for drafting QB's should be to move away from big elite athletes and to begin drafting midgets. Or better yet, just go with UDFA's at QB as it is much cheaper and one out of every few hundred or so actually succeeds in the league. Perhaps they will hire YOU, an innovator that goes against the conventional wisdom, as their next GM!

 

Midgets?! Thad Lewis is 6'2 that is two inches taller that Brees and Three inches taller than Wilson. Tony Romo was an UDFA and Brady was selected when? Draft location and height are not the end all be all of success in the NFL.

Edited October 23, 2013 by cklapka

[26CornerBlitz]

Midgets?! Thad Lewis is 6'2 that is two inches taller that Brees and Three inches taller than Wilson.

 

If Thad Lewis is 6' 2" then I can fly.

[FireChan]

1. LMAO FireChan...please show where I said Spiller is Superman, made of steel, impossible to hurt, and 100% invincible. I argued against him being injury prone, which had NOT been at the point of that conversation. This is why no one can discuss anything with you, because of idiotical responses like this as if myself or anyone implied that the possibility of an injury to him was literally impossible. ANY player can get hurt, I simply defended Spiller about whether he can carry the load as a full time back, and the fact he did get hurt still has no relevance to whether he can or not. He carried the load without issue last year. Got his ankle twisted up this year, and rather sit a game or two to let it heal, he has played through it causing it to linger and make little to no progress.

 

2. Reggie Wayne, the leagues current ironman, just got knocked out for the season...that doesnt suddenly make him injury prone and not able to be an every down player.

 

3. And point 3 shows you have NO IDEA what you are talking about. QBR has nothing to do with TOTALS. Its a rating on a PER GAME basis and his season QBR is an AVERAGE over those games. NOTHING to do with a total of anything. Sure, if you want to take his 2 worst games his QBR would be lower, just like with any AVERAGE based statistic. Hes played in 5 games, and his average is 20 points higher than Thads average over his 2 games. I already said after 5 games I expect Thads to rise more, but Thad is yet to have even a single game that is as high as EJ's average. Thads QBR was under 40 in BOTH his games where EJ has an average of 42.2. Point is, he isnt out playing EJ yet.

 

4. You want to say you are right about Spiller? Right about what? You said he isnt any good...so he gets hurt and cant play much and that validates he isnt any good? One of the dumbest things you have said yet, especially since Spiller has still made big plays for us on one leg while trying to play through a serious issue for him as a RB with the lower leg injury.

 

5. And finally, again, typical stupid remark about the points per game...at NO POINT did I ever compare us to the Broncos...I said the only 2 teams to score 20 or more in every game was us and them. I did not say we are any where near them, I was showing consistency in our scoring on a per game basis between EJ and Thad to show we are averaging the same with both at QB further illustrating Thad isnt doing more than EJ was. And your hilarious comment to discredit scoring under EJ about how the D scored points too...well first TD this weekend with Thad was a pick 6 by our D...so there goes that ridiculous reply too.

 

I'm going to number your paragraphs individually, point out what logical fallacies you're using, and then prove you wrong. Ready, set, go!

 

1. Strawman - misrepresenting someone's argument to make it easier to attack.

 

I never said you said those things. I refuse to tout my so-called victory of Spiller getting hurt. Just because I predicted it doesn't mean I wanted it to be true. If you wish to continue this discussion, create a Spiller thread.

 

2. Welp, you sucked me back in. This is just absolutely ridiculous. Reggie Wayne has been in the league for 12 years with no major injuries, putting up consistent numbers. Spiller has been injured in 2 of his 4 years and really had only one "good" year. Apples and oranges all over the place.

 

3. I was trying to say this as well, although he hasn't had a QBR as bad as EJ's worst either.

 

4. We get it Ms. Spiller, give it a rest. Your boy will do fine in the NFL.

 

5. The point of the whole "there are only teams in the NFL with 20+ points per game, Bills and Broncos" is for some fans to fool themselves into thinking we have anything in common with the Broncos. If you wanted to compare EJ and Thad, you'd say we're scoring ~20 a game with both QB's. Why even bring up the Broncos in that argument? I'll take "To give us an overinflated sense of self" for $400, Alex.

 

As for your point about defense helping them score, I said that point when one poster said, "Thad got bailed out by our D, EJ is the man forever!" (paraphrasing). I then said EJ's been bailed out in basically every game. You should try reading the thread.

 

One more side point, "idiotical?" What does that mean? I'm lost here.

[A Dog Named Kelso]

If Thad Lewis is 6' 2" then I can fly.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/13606/thad-lewis

[Bangarang]

Here you go Thad should start over EJ supporters. Brush up on your statistics and adjust your lame arguments accordingly.

 

http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/qb

 

 

http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/13606/thad-lewis

 

Player profiles aren't very accurate.

 

What is accurate is that Thad measured in at the NFL combine at 6004 which for those keeping score at home is barely over 6 feet tall.

Edited October 23, 2013 by Bangarang

[Garranimal]

is this board really arguing over a rookie QB with 5 starts who wasn't very good vs a rookie with 2 starts who wasn't very good? Wait, what?

 

This is precisely why the Bills organization deserves a black eye and why being a bills fan is challenging. Neither guy wins the job over a competent veteran signal caller. To be completely fair, it is a dead heat with no clear winner at this point. One is better at a few things and the other is better at a few things......right now its bulldog crap versus golden retriever crap.....which would you prefer on your shoe?

 

Now, where are those who wanted Josh Freeman? c'mon....fess up.

Edited October 23, 2013 by Garranimal

[26CornerBlitz]

is this board really arguing over a rookie QB with 5 starts who wasn't very good vs a rookie with 2 starts who wasn't very good? Wait, what?

 

This is precisely why the Bills organization deserves a black eye and why being a bills fan is challenging. Neither guy wins the job over a competent veteran signal caller. To be completely fair, it is a dead heat with no clear winner at this point. One is better at a few things and the other is better at a few things......right now its bulldog crap versus golden retriever crap.....which would you prefer on your shoe?

 

Now, where are those who wanted Josh Freeman? c'mon....fess up.

 

No comment other than..... :lol:

[Offside Number 76]

Are we done here, now?

[FireChan]

Are we done here, now?

 

Jets game.

Edited October 27, 2013 by FireChan

[thebandit27]

Jets game.

 

So then let's compare apples to apples:

 

In EJ's third start for this team, on the road, he faced the #6 defense in the NFL, put up 20 points, and lost by a TD while missing on a number of throws and not turning the ball over.

 

In Thad's third start for this team, on the road, he faced the #12 defense in the NFL, put up 17 points, and lost by 18 while missing on a number of throws and turning the ball over 3 times.

[Offside Number 76]

Jets game.

 

I'm pretty sure that Manuel didn't put the ball on the ground three times against the Jests.

[Rob's House]

 

 

I'm pretty sure that Manuel didn't put the ball on the ground three times against the Jests.

Not that I want Lewis (I want Mettenberger) but in our W against the Ravens didn't EJ fumble twice & throw 2 ints?

[thebandit27]

Not that I want Lewis (I want Mettenberger) but in our W against the Ravens didn't EJ fumble twice & throw 2 ints?

 

You're correct. EJ also needs to protect the ball better. If I'm remembering correctly: his first INT bounced right off Stevie's hands, while his second was a deep ball that basically amounted to a punt. His first fumble was a bad one (even if Glenn should have fallen on the ball), while the second did not result in a turnover.

[Prickly Pete]

The playoff race is OVER for this season. It is time to get EJM as much playing time as possible, to either find out if he sucks, or get him further developed.

[26CornerBlitz]

The playoff race is OVER for this season. It is time to get EJM as much playing time as possible, to either find out if he sucks, or get him further developed.

 

Taking a good look at the Bills 2nd half schedule, The playoff race is not over IMO

[Prickly Pete]

Taking a good look at the Bills 2nd half schedule, The playoff race is not over IMO

 

It's over. Marrone knew it during this game.

 

The schedule is easier, but this team isn't quite good enough to put together the string of wins needed. 8-8 would be good at this point.

 

Either Denver or KC will be one of the Wild Card teams, and the Bills aren't going to win the division. That leaves one playoff spot....very unlikely the Bills will be that team.

Edited October 28, 2013 by Marauder'sMicro

[26TrapDraw]

None. He's it win or lose.