For those of you missing Levitre

[Beerball]

 

 

If Brown or the other scrub cannot elevate their play, they will find a serviceable guard next year - there is no way we were going all the way to the promised land in one year's worth of rebuilding and the tools they did put in the toolbox via the draft have looked pretty good so far - no matter what those expert draft pundits thought of the moves.

Ahh, so this was a throw away season? There has to be a reason that they didn't address the position until June, I'm happy that you found it.

[Homey D. Clown]

12/16 Revival:

 

I am going to revive this little gem since this mornings talk was of how much they sports media and callers just seem to think they overpaid for what is perceived as "Middling NFL caliber" talent in Andy. He is not winning over anyone here and they point out how often he gets shoved around in the running game. Chris Johnson is not having a great year running the ball, and they don't believe Levitre added anything to the offensive line.

 

For so many of those around here that belly-ache over this loss, I'll pose you this question:

 

How good could he have been on a 6-10, 6-10, 4-12 team to even be considered a top tier talent? While his replacement in Buffalo has yet to look like a replacement on paper, has it really been a loss? If you live in Nashville, they don't seem to think so...

[mannc]

12/16 Revival:

 

I am going to revive this little gem since this mornings talk was of how much they sports media and callers just seem to think they overpaid for what is perceived as "Middling NFL caliber" talent in Andy. He is not winning over anyone here and they point out how often he gets shoved around in the running game. Chris Johnson is not having a great year running the ball, and they don't believe Levitre added anything to the offensive line.

 

For so many of those around here that belly-ache over this loss, I'll pose you this question:

 

How good could he have been on a 6-10, 6-10, 4-12 team to even be considered a top tier talent? While his replacement in Buffalo has yet to look like a replacement on paper, has it really been a loss? If you live in Nashville, they don't seem to think so...

I agree 100%. Given their consistently outstanding track record, One Bills Drive should always be given the benefit of the doubt in matters like this.

[BigBuff423]

I believe the Levitre sentiments would be decidely different if it weren't for the money he was demanding. Now, I believe anyone should get paid as much as they can, but what he wanted was top tier money...and I just don't think a team like the BILLS have the luxury to pay a Guard such money. I would really like to have him, but not at that price.

[ALF]

I would have kept Levitre, Rheinhart and Coach Joe D'

[YoloinOhio]

I would have kept Levitre, Rheinhart and Coach Joe D'

They didn't get rid of Rhinehart. He chose to sign with SD as a starter and follow Joe D.

[C.Biscuit97]

I believe the Levitre sentiments would be decidely different if it weren't for the money he was demanding. Now, I believe anyone should get paid as much as they can, but what he wanted was top tier money...and I just don't think a team like the BILLS have the luxury to pay a Guard such money. I would really like to have him, but not at that price.

 

Yup. He is not an elite guard. He's pretty good but he's never made a pro bowl. So why pay him like that?

 

Again, I have no problem with Levitre walking for that much money. However, they failed in their backup plan. It should be a top priority in the offseason.

[ALF]

We had a good running game and pass protection last year with that line and Coach Joe D' , it is what it is.

[Dopey]

In the past decade the Bills have finished in the financial playoffs in terms of net income versus other NFL teams every season. Some seasons to the tune of $30M in net income. I am not sure what you think happens to that accumulated profit but it isn't just about what you made last year. The money was made and the overhead on the business is perhaps the lowest in the league. Yeah, Bills tickets are cheap......but that hasn't prevented Ralph from stacking the cheese. It is pretty evident that the family has been packing it away to help deal with the inheritance burden that is forthcoming. But the question is how much is enough profit to keep on the sale of the team and is it right to expect that much when you don't hold up the initial bargain. The bargain the AFL made when they came to Buffalo is if the fans show up, the teams agree to compete fairly. The subsequently merged NFL works very hard to hold up this end of the bargain. Ralph has not. If Ralph isn't winning he takes his money and goes home....even though it is his fault he is not winning. That is not bringing competitive football to Buffalo, that is exploiting a fan base.

That is not exploitation!!! You have a choice to watch, pay for tix, buy memorabilia, pay 8-10 $ for a beer if you want to. Ralph is offering ENTERTAINMENT!!! If you don't like the product, don't buy into it. You can B word about tax money going to the stadium if you want, but that's another argument. I now live in the warm south, but pay to get the Sunday Ticket, just to watch the Bills play. I don't have to but I want to. I don't feel exploited when they lose and don't make the playoffs. Sorry, but anytime Ralph is talked about this way, it pisses me off. Without him, we don't have the Bills as a CHOICE to root for or against. There are 31 other NFL teams you could switch to as your team to root for. Guess what, they are all in it to make $$$$$$$. All of them, Ralph included. Now, if you stop supporting the Bills maybe you will feel better.

[BigBuff423]

Yup. He is not an elite guard. He's pretty good but he's never made a pro bowl. So why pay him like that?

 

Again, I have no problem with Levitre walking for that much money. However, they failed in their backup plan. It should be a top priority in the offseason.

 

I agree it should be a top priority, but I don't know that they "failed" in their back-up plan, not to be too picky with your choice of words - sorry if it comes off that way. But, this team needed so much (and still does) and coming into the year when their starting LG goes off for greener pastures and the QB, WR positions and the overall Defense was woefully inept, there's only so much you can do in one Offseason. And yes, FA is one good way to add talent and depth, but again, why overpay for something you don't know for sure is a demanding need? Is it one now? Absolutely, I don't think you have to be an Offensive Line expert to see the need to add Offensive line talent, LG and RT are two in my opinion that need to be addressed, through FA IMO as well since it takes time to develop those positions and if you really want to see if EJ can succeed, you need to be able to protect him and give him a pocket to pass from and hold him accountable for using that pocket. But you can't on one hand blame the guy for running or scrambling and then not give him a pocket to pass from. You need to build the pocket and then demand him to use it..IMO of course. I think to say the team "failed" to address it would be in THIS Offseason when their biggest issues CAN be addressed through the Draft, WR, OLB and TE. Maybe in that order, depending on available talent. I would like to see the O-line addressed in FA, I've said that already,but it bares repeating...

[thewildrabbit]

Hey Homey! To me, its not so much that Levitre wasn't worth the money he got. Its more of the fact that the Bills didn't adequately replace him after letting both him and Chad Rinehart leave.

 

Last season PFF (pro football focus) graded Andy Levitre as the best O lineman on the team. This year after 5 games Colin Brown was graded as the very worst player in the entire NFL, and his backup was just as bad.

 

I mean seriously! The two replacements at guard in Colin Brown & Sam Young were both benched and cut by the team shortly after week 5, what does that tell you? Now the backup guards are right off the waiver wire. The player brought in to be the backup center is now the LG. The Bills not only failed in replacing Levitre, AND his backup. It was a disaster causing several loses, many sacks in those first 5 games, and EJ literally running for his life in that first Jets game.

 

 

 

Anyway, I look at Tennessee with OC Chris Palmer calling the plays, and setting the offensive game plan. (Palmer wouldn't be my choice for an OC) With Fitz at QB because the starting QB in Tenn, Jake Locker has been oft injured.

There has been great discussion in Tennessee about RB Chris Johnson and if he has been utilized effectively the last few years. (sound familiar with another RB we all know?) The Titans owner and 90% of the fans think NO!

 

http://www.musiccity...s-johnson-wrong

 

Levitre is not the biggest concern of that Titan O line.

 

"Rookie center Brian Schwenke graded at -1.7 as a pass blocker due to his surrendering five hurries on 68 attempts. Warmack had his issues in pass protection as well, surrendering a sack to outside linebacker Matt Shaughnessy on a stunt in the middle of the fourth quarter to go with two other hurries. He also got pancaked as the lead blocker in the run game at the 11:18 mark of the first quarter as LB Daryl Washington put him on the ground. Finally, Stewart was the worst of the bunch grading at -2.1, as he gave up the two quick pressures from Campbell to go with three other hurries."

 

https://www.profootb...titans-week-15/

 

68 pass block attempts compared to only 18 rushing attempts tells me the Titans aren't even attempting to run it much, only 3 first downs rushing. Fitz played well for them against Arizona, as the game went into OT 36-58 for 394 2 int's 4 TD's and 23 first downs passing. IF Titans HC Mike Munchak keeps his job after this season he needs to fire his OC. JMO.

Edited December 16, 2013 by FeartheLosing

[papazoid]

Hey Homey! To me, its not so much that Levitre wasn't worth the money he got. Its more of the fact that the Bills didn't adequately replace him after letting both him and Chad Rinehart leave.

 

Last season PFF (pro football focus) graded Andy Levitre as the best O lineman on the team. This year after 5 games Colin Brown was graded as the very worst player in the entire NFL, and his backup was just as bad.

 

I mean seriously! The two replacements at guard in Colin Brown & Sam Young were both benched and cut by the team shortly after week 5, what does that tell you? Now the backup guards are right off the waiver wire. The player brought in to be the backup center is now the LG. The Bills not only failed in replacing Levitre, AND his backup. It was a disaster causing several loses, many sacks in those first 5 games, and EJ literally running for his life in that first Jets game.

 

 

 

Anyway, I look at Tennessee with OC Chris Palmer calling the plays, and setting the offensive game plan. (Palmer wouldn't be my choice for an OC) With Fitz at QB because the starting QB in Tenn, Jake Locker has been oft injured.

There has been great discussion in Tennessee about RB Chris Johnson and if he has been utilized effectively the last few years. (sound familiar with another RB we all know?) The Titans owner and 90% of the fans think NO!

 

http://www.musiccity...s-johnson-wrong

 

Levitre is not the biggest concern of that Titan O line.

 

"Rookie center Brian Schwenke graded at -1.7 as a pass blocker due to his surrendering five hurries on 68 attempts. Warmack had his issues in pass protection as well, surrendering a sack to outside linebacker Matt Shaughnessy on a stunt in the middle of the fourth quarter to go with two other hurries. He also got pancaked as the lead blocker in the run game at the 11:18 mark of the first quarter as LB Daryl Washington put him on the ground. Finally, Stewart was the worst of the bunch grading at -2.1, as he gave up the two quick pressures from Campbell to go with three other hurries."

 

https://www.profootb...titans-week-15/

 

68 pass block attempts compared to only 18 rushing attempts tells me the Titans aren't even attempting to run it much, only 3 first downs rushing. Fitz played well for them against Arizona, as the game went into OT 36-58 for 394 2 int's 4 TD's and 23 first downs passing. IF Titans HC Mike Munchak keeps his job after this season he needs to fire his OC. JMO.

 

 

why do people let facts get in the way of a good story ?? (sarcasm)

 

i know Spiller misses andy.....no one is getting out in front of him on screens.

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

Levitre was this team's MVP for the last 4 years. Durable, versatile, good.

 

That we have failed so spectacularly to find his replacement proves how badly the FO did on this one.

[OldTimer1960]

Yes, our brilliant front office that went into the season with Brown as the replacement (not to mention an undrafted free agent as our backup QB). I'd take Levitre back in a heartbeat, contract and all.

 

Really, you'd take his $8M/year contract?

 

All things being equal, I'd love to have Levitre on the Bills' O-line, but $8M for an OG is blasphemous no matter how good he is. For $8M/year at OG, he'd better be a HOFer.

 

Before anyone jumps on me with "they still have lots of cap space", you have to understand that there is a difference between having cap space and having actual money to pay people. The Bills are one of the lowest revenue teams in the leage. Their ticket prices are near the bottom of the league and they get next to nothing in luxury box/personal seat license revenue compared to the very big markets.

 

I know that none of us has a "cap" on what we can spend on a house - and most of our wives would like us to spend a lot more - but we all seem to know that it is prudent to only spend a certain percentage of our income on housing. The same is true for NFL teams. Not all teams have the revenue to spend to the cap and given that, they have to apportion the amount of $ that they can afford to the positions that they deem most important.

[QCity]

"In the case of Tennessee Titans left guard Andy Levitre, the Titans haven't got what they paid for yet. But it’s way too premature to label a guy who signed up for six seasons as any level of a bust."

 

The B-Word!

 

Titans guard Levitre critical of his play

[atlbillsfan1975]

Levitre did not deserve that money but Titans thought he did. Good for him.

I also loved Fitz being Fitz yesterday! Hope they enjoy Fitz and Levitre for years!

[Delete This Account]

12/16 Revival:

 

I am going to revive this little gem since this mornings talk was of how much they sports media and callers just seem to think they overpaid for what is perceived as "Middling NFL caliber" talent in Andy. He is not winning over anyone here and they point out how often he gets shoved around in the running game. Chris Johnson is not having a great year running the ball, and they don't believe Levitre added anything to the offensive line.

 

For so many of those around here that belly-ache over this loss, I'll pose you this question:

 

How good could he have been on a 6-10, 6-10, 4-12 team to even be considered a top tier talent? While his replacement in Buffalo has yet to look like a replacement on paper, has it really been a loss? If you live in Nashville, they don't seem to think so...

 

you're missing the point. the Bills are being faulted for not being proactive in re-signing Levitre to a long-term deal a year before his contract was up. he was the line's MVP in Buffalo and was a tremendous loss to the continuity he had established with Eric Wood and C.J. Spiller.

and the Bills are struggling on the line without him.

 

say what you will about Chris Johnson's struggles in Tennessee. his struggles were apparent long before this season started.

 

the Bills running attack hasn't exactly been consistent this season. and Levitre's absence could be regarded as a cause.

 

in your sheer delight in wanting to pile on Andy, you also miss the fact that the BIlls have allowed 43 sacks -- that's the fourth most in the NFL this season. of course, a rookie quarterback is a reason for that. however, given that the LG spot hasn't exactly been solidified, and the Bills might have to retool this line once again this offseason doesn't exactly help the case you might be failing to make for yet a second time.

 

jw

Edited December 17, 2013 by john wawrow

[Bill from NYC]

There is little reason imo to look and see what AL is doing for the Titans. To really know, wouldn't one have to watch virtually all of their games?

What we do know that he was our best, most durable and versatile blocker. We also know that the Bills cap hit for the QB position really might be the lowest in the NFL, and this is where the money goes in this league. The union signed off on the rookie cap thinking that "vets" would make more money. In fact, they are making less. The QBs cashed in, that's about it.

 

What are the most important aspects of a winning team today? I think QB and head coach. Do you realize that next season, Jay Cutler will be paid approx. 4 times as much as our head coach and all of our quarterbacks COMBINED? Romo already is.

The money was there to pay Levitre, yet they let him walk and replaced him with bad football players. This while ushering in a rookie QB considered raw, and putting him in a "hurry up" offense. Does this make sense to you?

 

Hey, we are happy about a win against Jax. I am 100% sure that we would have won more football games if Levitre was still here. And it certainly would have been great in terms of developing EJ. It even might have helped Marrone but I am less sure of this.

Edited December 17, 2013 by Bill from NYC

[BADOLBILZ]

Really, you'd take his $8M/year contract?

 

Who cares and if their name isn't Wilson why should they?

 

The Bills are more than $20M under the salary cap this season.

 

Did you even see how his contract was structured? It's by no means a hard $8M per season.

 

As for the original LAMPer......Mario Williams is among the leading sackers and one of the most impactful LOS players in the NFL and there have been plenty of people here or in the media disappointed in his play. This year and last year may well end up being the best two season production in his career......and yet disappointment by many. Illogical.

 

But that's the nature of being a highly paid free agent. It is usually a given that the team that loses a player in free agency is hurt worse by their departure than the team that acquires them is helped by their gain. That was actually the case with Houston. They poo-pooed Mario's departure and then came unraveled defensively late in the season.

 

That is also the case with Levitre. The Bills badly miss him and as the season wears on you have to wonder what the future holds for Urbik and Pears. Urbik isn't the athlete Levitre is, he is looking at a short career. Pears is nearing the end. A little pain with the Levitre contract would have made it a lot easier to transition the replacements for Pears and Urbik. This is how effective units become liabilities. One minute you have Pat Williams and Sam Adams dominating the middle with Ron Edwards providing quality reserve play......then you let Williams walk.....Adams rapidly declines without PW next to him, Edwards proves ineffective as a starter and you are trading up in the draft to select John McCargo.

[Bill from NYC]

 

 

you're missing the point. the Bills are being faulted for not being proactive in re-signing Levitre to a long-term deal a year before his contract was up. he was the line's MVP in Buffalo and was a tremendous loss to the continuity he had established with Eric Wood and C.J. Spiller.

and the Bills are struggling on the line without him.

 

say what you will about Chris Johnson's struggles in Tennessee. his struggles were apparent long before this season started.

 

the Bills running attack hasn't exactly been consistent this season. and Levitre's absence could be regarded as a cause.

 

in your sheer delight in wanting to pile on Andy, you also miss the fact that the BIlls have allowed 43 sacks -- that's the fourth most in the NFL this season. of course, a rookie quarterback is a reason for that. however, given that the LG spot hasn't exactly been solidified, and the Bills might have to retool this line once again this offseason doesn't exactly help the case you might be failing to make for yet a second time.

 

jw

 

Thank you.