Hapless Bills Fan Posted October 11, 2013 Posted October 11, 2013 I concede. You win. Byrd is a great human being. He saves kittens from burning trees on his time off. Greatest Bill ever. Don't slip and fall into that Sar Chasm of absurdity y'all dug for yourself, now
Hapless Bills Fan Posted October 11, 2013 Posted October 11, 2013 My question is this... Isn't the trade deadline week 6? Isn't this week 6? The trade deadline is October 29th
mrags Posted October 11, 2013 Posted October 11, 2013 The trade deadline is October 29th thank you. Bout time someone answered my question.
ko12010 Posted October 12, 2013 Posted October 12, 2013 A couple thoughts... (1) PF sucks. I was running 40-50 miles per week training for an ultramarathon when I got PF. Didn't seem like a huge deal at first. But I limped when I walked and couldn't run. My doc said I needed to rest. Not content with that I started looking for treatments online. I started wearing a Strassburg sock when I slept and doing special stretching exercise when awake. The date of the ultra came and went and I was still limping around. I couldn't run for 7 or 8 months. Another runner told me they missed an entire year because of PF. It can linger for long periods, sometimes years. (2) PF can easily be faked. There aren't any visible symptoms as far as I know. I guess your opinion of Byrd's injury depends a lot on your opinion of Byrd's character and human nature. Having no way of knowing if he's faking or not, I'm inclined to give Byrd the benefit of the doubt. Especially when he wanted to play last week. It was Marrone - under the advice of doctors and trainers - that kept Byrd off the field. Your case of PF would be an extreme one, to linger that long, and the ultra marathon running explains why. It is highly unlikely that Byrd's PF would require more than 8 full months of rest/treatment (and he gets the best treatment in the world as a wealthy pro athlete). I'm sorry, I could believe Byrd might still have PF if he were a runner, especially an extreme runner like yourself, but he's not. Not saying he didn't run as part of his training, but it would be nothing close to ultra marathon training, and he'd be an idiot to keep training ridiculously hard in the offseason knowing he had PF and was making it worse. I've had PF, too, I know how frustrating it can be. My brother was/is an ultra marathon runner also, and dealt with PF, and healed it quite easily. Don't get me wrong--I'm not saying Byrd is a horrible human being and is totally in the wrong and the Bills organization is totally in the right. But if you look at the facts--ie. the amount of time Byrd had to heal his PF before the 2013 season started--it's incredibly unlikely he still had serious symptoms on Sep. 8th and up until very recently.
Hapless Bills Fan Posted October 12, 2013 Posted October 12, 2013 (edited) Then who would want to give a player with that problem the biggest safety contract in the league? *ding*ding*ding* winner, winner, chicken dinner! Fact (confirmed by team): Byrd had PF last fall, got shots and played throught it Fact: Byrd and his agent were trying to negotiate a top-5, if not top, safety contract Fact: The Bills and Byrd could not reach an agreement on said contract, and the Bills franchised Byrd Fact: Byrd showed up to camp as late as he could without risking a paycheck via 2 week roster exemption Fact: A lot of fans are wondering why the PF didn't heal up in the previous 9 mos. Fact: A player's trade value is not increased by injury, especially injury that is difficult to diagnose and that has a problematic prognosis. Supposition: Byrd is malingering. But why? What's his motive? Especially if he wants a new team. It doesn't fit the facts - why would a guy who allegedly wants to be traded, publicize an injury that will substantially decrease his value to a team on a 1 yr deal? Suppose the Bills, knowing about Byrd's injury, were willing to pay him, but want less guaranteed money and signing bonus and wish to insert incentives. Parker says "no way, my client is healed now, here's our terms, call me when you're ready to sign". That would explain the seeming stupidity of the Bills in failing to lock him up. The top-flight sports medicine community is a small one. If Byrd sought top-notch treatment from a top specialist, how would that impact the negotiations? Yeah, yeah, doctor-patient confidentiality - it means so much when the barrista at the coffee stand in the lobby and the temporary receptionist get on twitter "Saw Byrd-man today." That might explain why Byrd's PF has lasted >6 mos. The PF may also have diminished or disappeared if he was working out in a way that didn't aggravate it, only to be aggrevated when he put cleats on and started planting and pushing off. It is a legitimately tricky ailment without clear-cut universally effective treatment. Then again, the Bills could be fools, Byrd could be a whinging malingerer manufacturing an ailment in the hopes he'll be traded - but it doesn't make sense Edited October 12, 2013 by Hopeful
Passepartout Posted October 12, 2013 Posted October 12, 2013 Well the Bills are indeed rebuilding as hopefully EJ Manuel will be the present and future. Just needs to stay healthy for sixteen games a season though. Shows lots of promise and potential.
Tcali Posted October 12, 2013 Posted October 12, 2013 (edited) Then who would want to give a player with that problem the biggest safety contract in the league? very good point. which is why we should keep him next year--and not trade him. we should be able to sign him for close to what we offered. of course im not factoring in the little danny snyders and the jacksonvilles of the league who would probbly give him huge money. Edited October 12, 2013 by Tcali
ALF Posted October 12, 2013 Posted October 12, 2013 With his PF uncertainty I would not give him a big up front bonus. This years $6.9 million guarantee while missing games is his bonus. I would offer him $7 million a year with good incentives "IF" he plays at a high level for enough games after this season. If he won't accept, trade him or let him walk and we get a compensatory pick.
Tcali Posted October 13, 2013 Posted October 13, 2013 *ding*ding*ding* winner, winner, chicken dinner! Fact (confirmed by team): Byrd had PF last fall, got shots and played throught it Fact: Byrd and his agent were trying to negotiate a top-5, if not top, safety contract Fact: The Bills and Byrd could not reach an agreement on said contract, and the Bills franchised Byrd Fact: Byrd showed up to camp as late as he could without risking a paycheck via 2 week roster exemption Fact: A lot of fans are wondering why the PF didn't heal up in the previous 9 mos. Fact: A player's trade value is not increased by injury, especially injury that is difficult to diagnose and that has a problematic prognosis. Supposition: Byrd is malingering. But why? What's his motive? Especially if he wants a new team. It doesn't fit the facts - why would a guy who allegedly wants to be traded, publicize an injury that will substantially decrease his value to a team on a 1 yr deal? Suppose the Bills, knowing about Byrd's injury, were willing to pay him, but want less guaranteed money and signing bonus and wish to insert incentives. Parker says "no way, my client is healed now, here's our terms, call me when you're ready to sign". That would explain the seeming stupidity of the Bills in failing to lock him up. The top-flight sports medicine community is a small one. If Byrd sought top-notch treatment from a top specialist, how would that impact the negotiations? Yeah, yeah, doctor-patient confidentiality - it means so much when the barrista at the coffee stand in the lobby and the temporary receptionist get on twitter "Saw Byrd-man today." That might explain why Byrd's PF has lasted >6 mos. The PF may also have diminished or disappeared if he was working out in a way that didn't aggravate it, only to be aggrevated when he put cleats on and started planting and pushing off. It is a legitimately tricky ailment without clear-cut universally effective treatment. Then again, the Bills could be fools, Byrd could be a whinging malingerer manufacturing an ailment in the hopes he'll be traded - but it doesn't make sense great post.....perhaps byrds agent outsmarting himself???
Big Hurt Posted October 13, 2013 Posted October 13, 2013 Trade Byrd and a 3rd to Giants for Eli Manning. They are 0 and 6. Their fans hate him and want to get rid of him. We can let EJ sit behind him to develop. Giants also need help with the defense. Byrd will be perfect them.
Floridabillsfan1 Posted October 13, 2013 Posted October 13, 2013 I heard there is only 11 potential teams that could even afford him under the cap number. Don't know if it's true but that really narrows the possibility of a trade .
Doc Posted October 13, 2013 Posted October 13, 2013 *ding*ding*ding* winner, winner, chicken dinner! Fact (confirmed by team): Byrd had PF last fall, got shots and played throught it Fact: Byrd and his agent were trying to negotiate a top-5, if not top, safety contract Fact: The Bills and Byrd could not reach an agreement on said contract, and the Bills franchised Byrd Fact: Byrd showed up to camp as late as he could without risking a paycheck via 2 week roster exemption Fact: A lot of fans are wondering why the PF didn't heal up in the previous 9 mos. Fact: A player's trade value is not increased by injury, especially injury that is difficult to diagnose and that has a problematic prognosis. Supposition: Byrd is malingering. But why? What's his motive? Especially if he wants a new team. It doesn't fit the facts - why would a guy who allegedly wants to be traded, publicize an injury that will substantially decrease his value to a team on a 1 yr deal? Suppose the Bills, knowing about Byrd's injury, were willing to pay him, but want less guaranteed money and signing bonus and wish to insert incentives. Parker says "no way, my client is healed now, here's our terms, call me when you're ready to sign". That would explain the seeming stupidity of the Bills in failing to lock him up. The top-flight sports medicine community is a small one. If Byrd sought top-notch treatment from a top specialist, how would that impact the negotiations? Yeah, yeah, doctor-patient confidentiality - it means so much when the barrista at the coffee stand in the lobby and the temporary receptionist get on twitter "Saw Byrd-man today." That might explain why Byrd's PF has lasted >6 mos. The PF may also have diminished or disappeared if he was working out in a way that didn't aggravate it, only to be aggrevated when he put cleats on and started planting and pushing off. It is a legitimately tricky ailment without clear-cut universally effective treatment. Then again, the Bills could be fools, Byrd could be a whinging malingerer manufacturing an ailment in the hopes he'll be traded - but it doesn't make sense I believe that Byrd was/is still suffering from PF because admitting he has a problem that has spanned an off-season only hurts his market value. I would bet that the Bills knew that the PF was an ongoing issue for him, hence their refusing to give him the deal he was after, not unlike how the Bills wanted to see Peters after tearing his groin at the end of the 2007 season. It would have been stupid for them to give it to him and the find out he had a chronic problem ("we were duped!").
mrags Posted October 13, 2013 Posted October 13, 2013 Trade Byrd and a 3rd to Giants for Eli Manning. They are 0 and 6. Their fans hate him and want to get rid of him. We can let EJ sit behind him to develop. Giants also need help with the defense. Byrd will be perfect them. careful, just the thought of trading Byrd to the Giants might get spark up the Byrd for Nassib talk. Honestly, I wouldn't trade for Eli in a million years. Not after the start of the season he's having.
BillsBytheBay Posted October 13, 2013 Posted October 13, 2013 The Bills have proven they are no better with Byrd than without him, he is NOT a difference maker.. I thought the exact opposite.
boyst Posted October 13, 2013 Posted October 13, 2013 careful, just the thought of trading Byrd to the Giants might get spark up the Byrd for Nassib talk. Honestly, I wouldn't trade for Eli in a million years. Not after the start of the season he's having. byrd for nick manning....
mrags Posted October 13, 2013 Posted October 13, 2013 byrd for nick manning.... is that the 3rd brother? Isn't he an insurance salesmen or something?
angryfan62 Posted October 13, 2013 Posted October 13, 2013 byrd for nick manning.... is that the 3rd brother? Isn't he an insurance salesmen or something? OMG don't google it lol.
mrags Posted October 13, 2013 Posted October 13, 2013 OMG don't google it lol. i was drawn to it like a flying bug to bright light. Why on earth do you know that? With the exception of Ron Jeremy, nobody should ever know a male pot stars name at all. EVER!!!
boyst Posted October 13, 2013 Posted October 13, 2013 (edited) i was drawn to it like a flying bug to bright light. Why on earth do you know that? With the exception of Ron Jeremy, nobody should ever know a male pot stars name at all. EVER!!! dropping loadddddsssssss I know a variety of strange things about extremely strange things. He was also on Stern a lot. I still need an excuse to mention Mandingo... Edited October 13, 2013 by jboyst62
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